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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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Is anyone having luck using physical based demons? I'm at 34 and I just don't find them useful, but having to choose large MP pool demons is really limiting. I feel like the only way to make them useful is to get Chakra Walk and Extend MP on them, both of which are pain in the butt skills to transfer from specific magic demons. While the physical skills themselves are pretty good (Megaton Press, anyone?), they cost too much for the sub 100 mana pools some of these demons have.
I miss it when physical skills cost HP and not MP.
I miss it when physical skills cost HP and not MP.
I tried that strategy, he just used Megaton Press and one-shotted that demon.
Party MP Recovery helps a ton, but yeah, I've never found them to be useful. No stat stacking means their damage lags far behind and the utility of a mp-stacked demon with buffs and heals overrides any benefits a physical demon might have.
Smushroomed
Banned
I'm just doing terrible in this game all around, but its my first SMT game
Deified Data
Banned
Do I get any reward for being the top demon slayer on the samurai charts?
Thanks, that is very helpful!
Anything is OP once you get it up to 150+.
How is it that people suck at negotiating so much?
I can get basically any demon I want. I give them life stones, I give them low amounts of Macca, and If I have given them 2 things that they wanted and cheat on the third request, they are ok with it. It works 90% of the time.
Work on those negotiating skills, duders.
Try to get a demon that debuffs her hit/evade. She'll miss a lot after that.
Splash Wave
Member
It might help if you actually explained how it worked.
Depending on your level, you could spend time trying to get a demon with Tetrakarn (phys repel). Kanbari (27), Dantalian (32), Ares (31), Makami (32).
But isn't she just rebuffing it with that stat buff she uses (I forget what it was called)?
A lot of demons react to the answers you give the same way. For example, there are some demons that ask if you consider them ugly. I have answered "is not about looks" and it works every single damn time. The one time it didn't was with a demon that was an asshole and didn't accept any answer, so I learned that the "polite" answer was not the way to go with her.
Magic is better is most SMT games. The only definitive exception is Nocturne, where Physical skills combined with pierce (overrides phys immunity) eventually outstrip magic in attack power.
The fact that there's no stat cap in this one just accentuates the advantage that snagging extra press turns from elemental weaknesses gets.
Physical Skill was also insanely powerful in Devil Survivor 2.
Splash Wave
Member
Is there somewhere to resurrect fallen demons in the first town?
You didn't do them so you can get on the Neutral path right easily right? Were any of the quests missable? Also did you follow one of the methods for getting Neutral posted in this thread?
I'm kinda worried if I skip out on the quests the ones that have you fight bosses will be too easy.
I ended up finding this site (SPOILERS) (Google translate version here) that lists the Challenge Quests (as well as storyline choices) that affect your alignment. I wonder if I can balance the choices so I can still do all the Quests as I go along the game while ending up with my alignment on Neutral.
I loved having Hinako and Jungo rip enemy teams to pieces in that one. I couldn't say no to 40 MAG Drain and almighty attacks on my MC though. I felt like DS2 got the phys/mag balance perfect in that one.
Late game challenge quests help
I've landed myself in "wasteland tokyo" or w/e its called and there are still a few challenge quests that need completing. For starters, the game wants me to slay a demon in Ikebukuro... how do I get to Ikebukuro, the terminal only takes me to Shibuya. There's also a quest involving the DDF and a cannon. Where do I take the cannon
I think she only uses it once.
Hinako's Hassohappa: most powerful SMT skill ever.
Snapshot King
Member
Jesus christ, the tournament is unbelievable. They always attack first! I can barely make it through the god damn first fight, and then there's more?
Don't you mean Multistrike? The thing that made her great was her high strength in conjuction with her speed stat. That made her the undisputed best Multstrike user in the game.
It also turned Atsuro and into a god in DS:O. It's a ridiculously good ability. (and I want to see it again :kappa
The virtual battle theme is GODLIKE. That surely is a SNES remix, right? With those soft organ-synths...
I also like the puzzle-like concept of those challenges. I've played a handful of SMT titles but never quite fully grasped the whole depth of those battles, so this is a welcome addition.
Oh, and a restart/retry button would have been nice. Oh well.
I also like the puzzle-like concept of those challenges. I've played a handful of SMT titles but never quite fully grasped the whole depth of those battles, so this is a welcome addition.
Oh, and a restart/retry button would have been nice. Oh well.
1) Know all demon weaknesses
2) Save the hunters for last
3) the bad company skill helps a lot
4) heal heal heal
5) constantly swap out demons
Don't you mean Multistrike? The thing that made her great was her high strength in conjuction with her speed stat. That made her the undisputed best Multstrike user in the game.
It also turned Atsuro and into a god in DS:O. It's a ridiculously good ability. (and I want to see it again :kappa
Yeah, multi strike. She could bitch slap mobs of enemies in seconds. <3
Late-game boss:
This fight with Mahayuri would have been a ridiculous war of Magic reflect attrition with his constant debuffing since I wouldn't be able to buff myself enough to do significant damage to him, but thankfully mid-fight I remembered I'd fused the perfect demon for the situation, my Dullahan with Luster Candy + Dekunda!
Edit 2
ops. I was about to say I never thought to put Hasso on her, then I remembered that was HP based. I kept wishing there was an equally strong Magic combo in terms of damage instead of survivability.Definitely going to try a Phys build on IV's NG+. The game doesn't feel very challenging with magic+agility overkill.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Just lost half an hour of dungeon progress because of one fucking smirk.
Kind of want to snap my 3DS in half right now.
Kind of want to snap my 3DS in half right now.
I just want a soft reset in general.
It's not a SMT game if you don't feel like doing that at some point during the game.
PlanetSmasher
Banned
I feel like that every ten minutes in this game.
I just want a soft reset in general.
It's inconveivable how they just forgot to implement a soft reset. There's so much love, care and polish in that game, and then...this.
And I finally found my way into Shinjuku. Note to self: Next time I'm certain I've completely checked an area, LOOK AGAIN. The entrance was completely obvious, and yet I kept searching the dumb world map for hours. Classic "don't see the wood for the trees".
All is forgiven when you get that sense of immense satisfaction after executing a strategy flawlessly against a tough boss.
Splash Wave
Member
Can anyone explain to me the differences between Law/Neutral/Chaos? I'm aware these correspond to dialogue choices, but how they affect the game?
Since no one answered my questions before I did a bit of work myself and managed to find a neat little sidequest. It unlocks 6 new fusion. You can only do this late in the game after your alignment is set in stone. I'm neutral so I'm not sure if the other 2 alignment can do it.
It's the SMT with the most content for sure. I keep finding things.
If you go back to Tayama's office you will find the samurai he was holding hostage. He'll give you back the card keys to reverse hills. Go in the basement and talk to the guy where the red pills plant was. He'll unlock the door near the elevator. In one of the new door a guy will give you a password to the password locked rooms. It's 1?03 and you can try over until you find the ?. Inside you fight Tayama's Yaso Magatsuhi. Exit and go back to Tayama's office. The Samurai will now give you the 6 medium Tayama had to invoke his demons : Koga Saburo, Yaso Magatsuhi, Omoikane, Michizane, Yamato Takeru and Tenkai. Go back to the place each one of them died (the stone slabs) and you will unlock their fusions.
It's the SMT with the most content for sure. I keep finding things.
Just tried registering my Gamestop code in order to get the DLC clothes for this game and to my surprise it didn't work, never really had that experience before registering codes. I don't really give a shit about this DLC regardless considering I just preordered to get the special edition, but how long do Nintendo eShop codes typically last, did I try to register it too late?
(glares)
Oh yeah, does anyone have Jonathan avatar? He just stepped in the story, so I was thinking of switching avatars.
QuiteWhittle
Member
You don't have to do the side quest to unlock the divinities. Just talk to the samurai twice. Still, cool info.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
I didn't even have to do all that.
I just
talked to the Samurai on two separate occasions after returning and he gave them to me. Second time was after some sidequests and things. He mentioned scouring the entire room for stuff because he was bored.
Did you enter it in on the DLC menu in-game? It only works there. Also I think the
Thanks, that might be the problem because I tried it through the eShop instead of in game.
CornBurrito
Member
I've been searching for a good hour and can't find wherever you are talking about.
There is no area blocked by flame, or at least not a second one. You know I meant after the defeat of the Ikubukuro boss right?
The lady that eats everyone from that Gaea cult.