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[daveo42]

More like a hint to save every 30 seconds!

Don't you mean after every battle and before going through any doors?

 

[Brandon F]

Reading this thread almost had me buying a new 3DS just to play this game. I left my system at home while I am spending the summer working in another city. Big mistake. Will snag next month when I return, but damn...game sounds incredible.

 

[Ourobolus]

Just read that RPGamer review. I didn't know that SPOILER

Spoiler

time moved faster in Mikado than in Tokyo

. I just beat XW in Ikebukuro and I still haven't come across that point, so it's a bit of a spoiler I guess.

Some of his gripes are understandable, but things like the music? I think it's great.

 

[PK Gaming]

Is it possible to enter (late game spoilers)

Spoiler

Ikebukuro & Shibuya in the infernal version of toyko?

 

[Crash55118]

I'm in Tokyo, so not too far in, but I really love how narrative has been handled so far.

In fact I love just about everything. Truly a great RPG.

 

[CornBurrito]

Hmm, so I may be wrong, but I get the feeling the incredibly vague location descriptions are intentional. I say this because NPCs in the terminal areas will often say "oh you're looking for X? Go west, then west, then north."

I think it is the game's way of forcing you to talk to NPCs and get some story details.

 

[pahamrick]

Is it possible to enter (late game spoilers)

Spoiler

Ikebukuro & Shibuya in the infernal version of toyko?

You can definitely enter

Spoiler

Infernal Shibuya

as I did that while looking for

Spoiler

Infernal Shinjuku

. Don't know how much you can actually explore in there though, but I'm about to go back there since I'm almost done in that area. Same as quoted post, late game spoilers.

 

[GeekyDad]

The story on the whole kinda has a Jacob's Ladder vibe to me.

 

[NeonZ]

Ah ok, bit frustrating but what can you do. Explains why they would show up at the top of a dungeon. Do they sometimes show though during a challenge quest? I feel like rarely they'd still come and help.

They only appear during a challenge quest for specific preset events - like the battle against

Spoiler

Dullahan.

. This is referencing challenge quests that need to be activated though. If you're going in a delivery quest, the challenge quest doesn't need to be activated and so they'll be helping during the battles.

 

[Incendiary]

Just got wiped twice in regular battles because I was being careless and conservative on spells. Definitely deserve it. Still hurts because I lost about 10 minutes of progress. I think this is a hint to stop for the night. Lol.

That's the thing I love about SMT. In pretty much every other RPG, I'm conservative with spells and MP and save them for the boss fights. In SMT, though, it's pretty much a necessity to use your full arsenal against every enemy unless you want to accidentally fuck yourself.

 

[PK Gaming]

You can definitely enter

Spoiler

Infernal Shibuya

as I did that while looking for

Spoiler

Infernal Shinjuku

. Don't know how much you can actually explore in there though, but I'm about to go back there since I'm almost done in that area. Same as quoted post, late game spoilers.

Yeah i've "entered" it, but

Spoiler

there's demonoid that's blocking my path into the district

 

[katkombat]

Did you kill Peallaidh yet? If not, there's someone in the Ueno Hunter Association bar you need to talk to.

Yep, I did!

Easiest boss ever, by the way.

 

[drtomoe123]

Guys, I feel so stupid right now. I'm on neutral and I just finished the first final dungeon. Where do I go to start the second one?

 

[QuiteWhittle]

In any case, RPGamer's review was fairly interesting to me. It's bizarre reading someone thinking the complete opposite about a game, than me. Reviewer thinks the music is terrible, I think it's the best OST in the series. They thought the combat was imbalanced, I think the difficulty is perfect. They thought it's the worst game out of the franchise, spinoffs included, while I think it's pretty much the ultimate SMT. I think it's great how polarizing the game can be. Not a badly written review per se, but I do think the reviewer was a bit...assholish on the site's forum saying that other critics probably didn't get far enough into the game to see the flaws he did. But oh well.

I just can't see how SMTIV's characters are any weaker than Nocturne's and Strange Journey's.

 

[pahamrick]

Yeah i've "entered" it, but

Spoiler

there's demonoid that's blocking my path into the district

Yeah, I just ran into that same problem in Ikebukuro, slightly disappointing.

 

[F0rneus]

I just can't see how SMTIV's characters are any weaker than Nocturne's and Strange Journey's.

I disagree with the reviewer on that too haha. The review itself is fine. It's when he said that people who gave high scores didn't play the game enough to dislike it, and the one dude who said that this is the Dragon Age II of SMT (not in the review itself, it's a discussion over there)...Then I got slightly embittered haha.

 

[eliza0224]

Guys, I need help deciding how to spend my app points.

I'm in lvl 17, and don't know if I should invest them in: adding more space for demons (currently I've got 10 slots), adding more skill slots for my MC or adding more skill slots for my demons.

 

[pahamrick]

I disagree with the reviewer on that too haha. The review itself is fine. It's when he said that people who gave high scores didn't play the game enough to dislike it, and the one dude who said that this is the Dragon Age II of SMT (not in the review itself, it's a discussion over there)...Then I got slightly embittered haha.

Someone actually said that? I mean, I'm no expert on SMT (I've only played the Persona series, and a bit of Soul Hackers on 3DS) but DAII was a horrible, rushed mess that I couldn't even bring myself to finish despite beating DA:O multiple times on two systems (360 + PC).

SMT IV by comparison feels huge. I'm nearly 40 hours in, and already looking forward to a second run through.

Guys, I need help deciding how to spend my app points.

I'm in lvl 17, and don't know if I should invest them in: adding more space for demons (currently I've got 10 slots), adding more skill slots for my MC or adding more skill slots for my demons.

I'd definitely prioritize more skill slots for your MC, followed by your demons.

 

[InsaneZero]

That's the thing I love about SMT. In pretty much every other RPG, I'm conservative with spells and MP and save them for the boss fights. In SMT, though, it's pretty much a necessity to use your full arsenal against every enemy unless you want to accidentally fuck yourself.

This is probably the only game where I would actually use those "heal everything" items regularly. Partially because the game demands it, and partially because those incenses are practically handed out like candy.

 

[camelpope]

This is probably the only game where I would actually use those "heal everything" items regularly. Partially because the game demands it, and partially because those incenses are practically handed out like candy.

The way it should be. Use your stuff!

 

[Chrono Helix]

There's also the fact that powerful items have low item caps. I was hoarding items and frequently being informed that I couldn't carry any more chakra drops and pots.

 

[scy]

There's also the fact that powerful items have low item caps. I was hoarding items and frequently being informed that I couldn't carry any more chakra drops and pots.

I finally made the decision to just sell them down to about half their cap. Wasn't like I was ever going to use them anyway.Plus, I need the money for all my fusing.

 

[eliza0224]

Thanks pahamrick!

 

[F0rneus]

People might believe I am crazy but I actually went out and bought an XL to finish the game. I actually got tired of mini-SMT IV and wanted to play big SMT IV.

Best upgrade I have ever made. Based Atlus sold me an XL.

 

[Jinfash]

I just visited [mid-game location spoiler]

Spoiler

Shene Duque (hoy crap btw) and now I'm given a choice. I talked to the cynical man at Shibuya before coming here and he told me I'm "a hard man to get a read on." Which I'm assuming means that I'm (hopefully) neutral. Now I'm scared of screwing that with what I'm about to pick.

I hope it's easier to survive and correct this if necessary if before the lock. How far away is that? I feel like I'm a hair away from Chaos.

 

[Tyrant Rave]

I can't believe I took this long to get the Party MP Recovery app, it's so good.

 

[Bogeypop]

Don't you mean after every battle and before going through any doors?

More like save after every step you take.

 

[Clockwork5]

Guys, I need help deciding how to spend my app points.

I'm in lvl 17, and don't know if I should invest them in: adding more space for demons (currently I've got 10 slots), adding more skill slots for my MC or adding more skill slots for my demons.

IMO: Demon skill slots > MC skill slots > demon inventory

I do think that these are 3 really important apps to max out and I wouldnt let any of them get too far behind.

 

[CornBurrito]

Roppongi Mr. Tayama Spoilers:

Spoiler

What's the point of giving me a Refuse option for his task? Is there another way to go about advancing the plot and saving the hostage?

 

[Ties]

Roppongi Mr. Tayama Spoilers:

Spoiler

What's the point of giving me a Refuse option for his task? Is there another way to go about advancing the plot and saving the hostage?

I'm pretty sure that concerns alignment.

Speaking about alignment, when does the point of no return for routes occur? And how do I check my alignment from where I am at this point in the game?

Spoiler

I'm currently in a Tokyo populated by demonoids and I'm assisting demonoid Akira

I just visited Shene Duque (hoy crap btw) and now I'm given a choice. I talked to the cynical man at Shibuya before coming here and he told me I'm "a hard man to get a read on." Which I'm assuming means that I'm (hopefully) neutral. Now I'm scared of screwing that with what I'm about to pick.

I hope it's easier to survive and correct this if necessary if before the lock. How far away is that? I feel like I'm a hair away from Chaos.

Choosing either

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Jonathan's

or

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Walter's

route nets 10 points or the corresponding route. To my knowledge, for the tasks you have to complete for each route,

Spoiler

Jonathan's route

has 11 points in total (including the decision to choose itself) whereas

Spoiler

Walter's

has potential for 5 Law points for a decision later on in the route and a 13 Chaos points in total. If you feel your Chaos is higher than your Law, try to balance it out by completing Walter's. If not, you have the potential to get Law points anyhow from Walter's route with the 5 extra points if they're close to one another.

 

[Dresden]

I'm pretty sure that concerns alignment.

Speaking about alignment, when does the point of no return for routes occur? And how do I check my alignment from where I am at this point in the game?

Spoiler

Once you finish the area you're in, the 'lock' happens. I don't think there's a way to check at the point you're in.

 

[CornBurrito]

I'm pretty sure that concerns alignment.

Which option is what? And in that case can I just keep selecting refuse to build up chaos/law points? Or does it only award points once?

 

[CSX]

At endgame....still getting lost Lol

Every time a location is mentioned in a sidequest , I scratch my head

 

[Ties]

Which option is what? And in that case can I just keep selecting refuse to build up chaos/law points? Or does it only award points once?

If you accept the quest it's Law, if you don't, it's Chaos.

You get forced to do it anyway so it doesn't matter what you choose. And no, you can't just go talk to NPCs to farm route points by refusing them. Points are given only in certain sidequests and dialogue choices in cutscenes.

 

[pahamrick]

Did I just get locked into the Neutral Path? (Late Game Spoilers)

Spoiler

Okay, so I choose to not return the world to nothingness then picked the option to destroy the status quo. The white told me something like I was too late, because I wished to destroy yet preserve as well and that they no longer had any use for me. So now, I'm in this strange area talking to Stephen.

 

[GeekyDad]

Son of...just got the "bad" ending. Time to reload.

 

[Ties]

Did I just get locked into the Neutral Path? (Late Game Spoilers)

Spoiler

Okay, so I choose to not return the world to nothingness then picked the option to destroy the status quo. The white told me something like I was too late, because I wished to destroy yet preserve as well and that they no longer had any use for me. So now, I'm in this strange area talking to Stephen.

Yes.

 

[Mononoke]

Trying to get the Neutral path. I know it's complicated, so I'm not really asking if I'll get it (as I've made choices that would take too long to get into). But basically..

Spoiler

I sided with Walter during the split (because of some decisions I made). Trying to balance it back to Neutral. I'm at the part where I have to push the button to open the Demon rift. Is that the same thing as "Destroy the Status Quo" and "Preserve the Status Quo"? Or does that part come later in the game. Because of what I've done, I needed to side with Walter, then Preserve the Status Quo. So do I press the button here?

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Trying to get the Neutral path. I know it's complicated, so I'm not really asking if I'll get it (as I've made choices that would take too long to get into). But basically..

Spoiler

I sided with Walter during the split (because of some decisions I made). Trying to balance it back to Neutral. I'm at the part where I have to push the button to open the Demon rift. Is that the same thing as "Destroy the Status Quo" and "Preserve the Status Quo"? Or does that part come later in the game. Because of what I've done, I needed to side with Walter, then Preserve the Status Quo. So do I press the button here?

Spoiler

You have no choice but to push the button. Status Quo stuff comes later.

 

[Dresden]

Trying to get the Neutral path. I know it's complicated, so I'm not really asking if I'll get it (as I've made choices that would take too long to get into). But basically..

Spoiler

I sided with Walter during the split (because of some decisions I made). Trying to balance it back to Neutral. I'm at the part where I have to push the button to open the Demon rift. Is that the same thing as "Destroy the Status Quo" and "Preserve the Status Quo"? Or does that part come later in the game. Because of what I've done, I needed to side with Walter, then Preserve the Status Quo. So do I press the button here?

Yes.

 

[Shauni]

Where is everyone getting these chibi SMT demon avatars from haha? I see them popping up everywhere here.

 

[Sseklebeast]

Late game demon spoiler> Can anyone tell me where to find

Spoiler

Mara

?

 

[Riposte]

Had to blow macca because Gu Huo Niao didn't want to spawn. Only did once (and got away). Then over the next 20-30 minutes, nothing. Do certain demons go away after awhile?

EDIT: Btw, there is something remarkable about Gu Huo Niao's art.

 

[CornBurrito]

How do I get Frost Ace?

 

[Tyrant Rave]

How do I get Frost Ace?

Spoilered just in case:

Spoiler

Jack Frost + Tam Lin + Power

 

[Ties]

Had to blow macca because Gu Huo Niao didn't want to spawn. Only did once (and got away). Then over the next 20-30 minutes, nothing. Do certain demons go away after awhile?

No, spawn rates are randomized with some demons appearing more often than others. I honestly only ran into her once or twice around the world map and never around any of the nearby dungeons.

 

[Mononoke]

Spoiler

You have no choice but to push the button. Status Quo stuff comes later.

I figured as much. Just wanted to make sure. Was sweating there for a sec.

 

[CornBurrito]

Spoilered just in case:

Spoiler

Jack Frost + Tam Lin + Power

Woo I happened to have those demons on hand. Can't wait to fuse King Frost.

 

[GeekyDad]

Question (late-game, post-bad-ending spoilers):

Spoiler

Is this the juncture where you lock into a specific alignment route? I just talked to Stephen, and he said I resisted all (God's law, the temptation of demons, and despair of the White). He feels I "may be the one" to revive the goddess of Tokyo.

 

[Lissar]

I just visited Shene Duque (hoy crap btw) and now I'm given a choice. I talked to the cynical man at Shibuya before coming here and he told me I'm "a hard man to get a read on." Which I'm assuming means that I'm (hopefully) neutral. Now I'm scared of screwing that with what I'm about to pick.

I hope it's easier to survive and correct this if necessary if before the lock. How far away is that? I feel like I'm a hair away from Chaos.

It's still quite a few hours away and you'll have other choices to make. I went with Walter, but still ended up full neutral by the final choice. NOTE (spoilers for late game alignment stuff but IMPORTANT if you want the Neutral route)

Spoiler

You do NOT want to be Neutral when you make the final decision. If you are, you are completely locked out of the Neutral path. You want to be slightly Law or slightly Chaos. The final decision gives you quite a big bump towards Chaos or Law, so you want to be at a point where you can bump yourself into Neutral instead of too much one way or the other. Being Neutral already will make it so that you can choose either Law OR Chaos, but you cannot stay Neutral.