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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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QuiteWhittle
Member
Masakado lol
Aw shit, so its the last thing I need to do?
perfect free
Member
The beginning is very challenging since you're so fragile (I found myself constantly running back to the barracks, and lord help me if an enemy got a preemptive attack), but as you develop your party and abilities more you should start to have an easier time of things.
One of the neat things about this game is how razor-sharp combat is. You need to exploit demons' weaknesses and take every advantage you can, because they sure as shit will do the same to you if given the chance (preemptive strikes, mostly, but also from user error or just an unlucky miss). You generally do not have the HP to just tank through fights, which means you must always be aware of what you're going up against and learn from your mistakes. I think lowering the difficulty would slacken this tension quite a bit, to the game's detriment.
That said, you gotta do what you gotta do, and if it makes the game more enjoyable for you, nothing wrong with that. I'd suggest turning the difficulty back up once you've gotten over the hump and seeing how things go from there.
Otherspacing
Member
Ahhh, I'll just relax until there is an English Guide, all this talk about neutral is too confusing sometimes. And even then, the requirement
makes me think I need some time to breath a little. lol
to finish a lot of the challenge quests again
Nah. The first time you play a MegaTen game is always the hardest. The games constantly throw new things in to trip you up. Experience lets you get more accustomed to that. When you get to see what kind of things the series throws at you and what you can do to counter them, they get much more manageable (But never really easy. Even experienced players get the tar beat out of them at least once or twice on a couple of bosses.)
QuiteWhittle
Member
Yep.
Leads to the last dungeon.
Gotcha, thanks.
So... what do we do in the meantime? I'm just wandering Tokyo, totally lost lol
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Late game boss spoilers:
edit:
I just got to King Kenji. If he didn't have Megidola I could just set the fight to auto and win, bleh. Gonna try again and hammer him with debilitate and use sukukaja to max.
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Beat it second try. I can see that fight being a huge pain without a null phys/ailment demon. Thank goodness for Alice lol. Last round he casted Ancient Curse and it hit everyone but her and she smirked and I used a concentrated Megido to kill him
QuiteWhittle
Member
Fill the chalice, gain Masakado, and kill Merkabah?
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Mid game spoilers discussion
I know Shin Megami Tensei is a Japanese video game and will usually center around Japan except for the special case of Strange Journey (and even that wasn't given a number), but I've seen some silly stuff like in the Devil Survivor 2 anime (Maybe the game is different) where they basically acted like the rest of the world didn't even exist. Even Devil Survivor 1 had a reason why the main characters were cut off from the world, but it doesn't make it any less silly that the judgement of mankind would happen in Tokyo. Believe me I enjoy playing in Apocalyptic Tokyo and I would like to see more games set in an Apocalyptic Tokyo or a Cyperpunk setting, but I guess I have a disconnection from the setting and the story being told.
Basically SMT has Tokyo is the center of the universe.
I feel like I'm going to be told "but that is SMT!" but it is still pretty strange, especially in the Devil Survivor 2 example where they literally had to protect landmark barriers only in Japan as though that was the only place in the World that needed protected and only the Japanese protected it.
I'm only to the part where you know the ceiling above Tokyo has been there for 25 years. Of course a ceiling would block out light above it, but is it feasible that no light would be coming from the sides? Do they ever explain how big the ceiling is?
I know Shin Megami Tensei is a Japanese video game and will usually center around Japan except for the special case of Strange Journey (and even that wasn't given a number), but I've seen some silly stuff like in the Devil Survivor 2 anime (Maybe the game is different) where they basically acted like the rest of the world didn't even exist. Even Devil Survivor 1 had a reason why the main characters were cut off from the world, but it doesn't make it any less silly that the judgement of mankind would happen in Tokyo. Believe me I enjoy playing in Apocalyptic Tokyo and I would like to see more games set in an Apocalyptic Tokyo or a Cyperpunk setting, but I guess I have a disconnection from the setting and the story being told.
Basically SMT has Tokyo is the center of the universe.
I feel like I'm going to be told "but that is SMT!" but it is still pretty strange, especially in the Devil Survivor 2 example where they literally had to protect landmark barriers only in Japan as though that was the only place in the World that needed protected and only the Japanese protected it.
Anyone know this?
Trojita
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It isn't random. Experiment.
People say that's not the best of ideas, but I've been focusing on a physical build and for the longest time was getting by with mostly magic on MC. The game seems to get more manageable with time, the early part of the game definitely felt like it was the most volatile Now that I'm later on, things can definitely turn for the worse but I find it's more in boss battles and those can usually be taken care of by abusing weaknesses.
There's an app you can buy that tells you that I believe. You can also look at the enemy and try to guess what's their weakness based on hoe it looks. Like, if there's a demon who has flames for hair and uses agi (fire) skills, you know it should be weak against bufu (ice) attacks, or flying demobs are usually weak against gun attacks.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Looks like I'm locked into Chaos. Guess I'll go for Law for the next playthrough.
hosannainexcelsis
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Trojita
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Well New York is the center of a lot of media, but it isn't portrayed as for some reason being the only thing there. It isn't like I even live there. Give me an example when it seems like it is the only place that does matter.
I figured out what I was missing, I hadn't talked to Fujiwara and Skins to trigger the next event.
MegaKungFuRadio
Member
I really wish this game had a better map so I wouldn't have to rely on my memory so much to figure out where I need to go.
MegaKungFuRadio
Member
Yeah, that's where I stopped playing yesterday. I hit a dead end, did all the challenge quests that didn't involve collecting random body parts, then called it a
Hecatonchires Custom
Member
Spent 3 hours doing them until I finally got 1st Rank. I'm not sure which ones are needed but here are the ones I finished before getting rank 1 : every Nozomi quest (ending with the fairy thing), the demonnapping quest, rescue the old man, the 4 camera quests, the Doinysus wine quest, the tv show quest, protect the tower and the Hunter tournament. Basically, just visit each bar and get new quests there, then do all the quests you haven't done if you don't get ranked first.
Easily the worst part of the game, IMO.
EDIT : Pretty sure you need to do the 4 Devas quest as well, which is much easier if you finish the Amaterasu one first.
I think all I need to do are the last 2 camera ones, I believe. Padding sucks so much, but I love the game too much to call it a blemish against it lol.
Hecatonchires Custom
Member
There are about 7-8 other quests that I've done that I haven't listed, who knows which ones trigger the 1st rank event.
Trojita
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6 hours and no saving? The fuck.
ForteanMan
Member
Finished SMT IV on the Neutral path. In game clock shows my completion time at 70 hrs and 34 mins. I'll be jumping right back in to new game plus trying for the Law and Chaos paths this time around. Such a fantastic game. It's been a while since I've played an RPG that was as well made as this one was. I don't think that I have too many complaints about the game, other than a bit of confusion at times over navigating the map but nothing game breaking. As it stands right now this is my GOTY for 2013, no questions asked.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
That sucks (although you really shouldn't have gone even close to six hours without saving).
I just had to pay Charon for the first time in a long time since I hadn't saved in about 15 minutes and didn't want to lose my progress and a couple of quests I had done after a surprise attack (normally I'm better about saving and just restart).
perfect free
Member
I have a bad habit of rocking out to some of the field music in this game while failing to pay attention to my surroundings. Demons are jumping me because of this damn soundtrack. Why does it have to be so good.
perfect free
Member
YES. My 3DS is open next to me with it on right now, haha!
The Silver
Member
Does anyone know where to get this lv 30 Jirae demon, I remember seeing it but forgot where it was.
I need it to special fuse this lv 42 enigma demon.
While im at it I might as well ask where the lv 35 tree demon is for the lv 41 zealot fusion
I need it to special fuse this lv 42 enigma demon.
While im at it I might as well ask where the lv 35 tree demon is for the lv 41 zealot fusion
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
There's a difference there though, the Alien Invasions start there, a city could be destroyed and would definitely set a bad precedence for future defense, but it isn't the only place on Earth.. The heroes are attacked where they live. In contrast to SMT where say humanity is tested in Tokyo. In SMT3
the whole world is destroyed except for Tokyo which becomes the Vortex world, a place where it will be decided how the next world is.
makes Humanities Ordeal happen in one stretch of Tokyo.
I actually liked the Law path in Devil Survivor 1... I know that it's the exception, but I really appreciated the law path in the game. Yeah the angels were jerks, but they weren't stupid jerks.
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Thanks a bunch!
About the import thing, yes, I am an European with an American 3DS. I usually get my games via the eshop, so waiting for imported games to arrive is not something I have to go through often. Of course, SMTIV's was an exception because of the fancy first shipment edition.
I mostly got a US 3DS (XL) because I was sick of waiting for games whose EU release was delayed for months (Virtue's Last Reward, Fire Emblem), but it has many other advantages like cheaper games (the dollar-euro exchange rate is very favorable) and better club nintendo bonuses.
About a third
