Right, Alice is OP because of that but I'm getting sick of her being so strong in every game.
Mahamayuri has "Null Nerve", which is more than enough with Salvation, and you'll probably get a better skill set without much effort.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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Right, Alice is OP because of that but I'm getting sick of her being so strong in every game.
Mahamayuri has "Null Nerve", which is more than enough with Salvation, and you'll probably get a better skill set without much effort.
Beat the game on Neutral with 96 Challenge Quests completed at 65+ hours. Solid ending, and pretty great game overall. I think I like it as much or a bit better than Nocturne. It's a good-looking game (even with the clash of 2D/3D. Battle sprites and portraits were pretty detailed I thought which was good.), had great music (Ryota Koduka isn't that well known of a composer but he's really talented), fun combat, and the story was better than I was expecting.
I thought the game had some pretty good sidequests, and several are voiced which is a plus. The Whisper system is a good addition and should be in future games. The Smirk system felt somewhat minor to me but was a good addition to the combat as well.
Unlike Nocturne which had you go through dungeons or dungeon-esque areas, a lot of SMT IV's areas are exploring the cities in Tokyo like fields, which is different, but not worse. The game still has some traditional dungeons as well but they're not as long as Nocturne's.
Major downsides of the game were that not enough direction was given when trying to get to new areas on the world map, and that the game got too easy if you had high magic and got Megido (and other Almighty attacks that hit all enemies) like me. Also on the Neutral route, the Law and Chaos sides didn't really get any exposure once you get locked into your alignment. You went through their respective final dungeons, had a couple lines of dialogue, beat the boss and that was that.
Something else regarding exposure, one of the characters that was featured before the game came out,
Also I don't know why the camera on the world map resets after a battle if you've turned it around. It makes things a bit confusing.
Anyway, pretty good game overall, and I hope it doesn't take another 10 years for us to get SMT V.
I thought the game had some pretty good sidequests, and several are voiced which is a plus. The Whisper system is a good addition and should be in future games. The Smirk system felt somewhat minor to me but was a good addition to the combat as well.
Unlike Nocturne which had you go through dungeons or dungeon-esque areas, a lot of SMT IV's areas are exploring the cities in Tokyo like fields, which is different, but not worse. The game still has some traditional dungeons as well but they're not as long as Nocturne's.
Major downsides of the game were that not enough direction was given when trying to get to new areas on the world map, and that the game got too easy if you had high magic and got Megido (and other Almighty attacks that hit all enemies) like me. Also on the Neutral route, the Law and Chaos sides didn't really get any exposure once you get locked into your alignment. You went through their respective final dungeons, had a couple lines of dialogue, beat the boss and that was that.
Something else regarding exposure, one of the characters that was featured before the game came out,
Kaga, died almost immediately after you meet her. I was expecting her to be a major Ring of Gaea character like Tayama is a major Ashura-Kai character being its leader, but she was a really minor character, and instead we have Yuriko/the Black Samurai/Lilith representing the Ring of Gaea instead which is fine but Kaga shouldn't have been killed off quite that fast.
Also I don't know why the camera on the world map resets after a battle if you've turned it around. It makes things a bit confusing.
Anyway, pretty good game overall, and I hope it doesn't take another 10 years for us to get SMT V.
Not true. There are certain challenge quests you have to do on the Neutral route to progress, but all routes unlock based solely on your alignment.
All the MP apps. You'll rarely be very low on MP with them. My most recommended apps.
After that. skill expansion, demon skill expansion, demolingual, and the summon discount ones (the last one reduces Compendium costs by 50%). Skill Augment can also be useful.
Well I went Neutral so they're open to me, but the fuckers just won't spawn. I don't have the patience to save/reload for hours on end.
mugurumakensei
Member
Keep in mind that the game tells you from the beginning to take time to do side quests so you could split time between main quest and side quest not getting bored with either.
BuckRobotron
Member
Picked up the game again and been playing little else for now. At end-game and I apparently managed to get into the Neutral route (judging by late-game spoiler
) by luckily intuiting the balance as I went along. Was that or Law/
depending on a last choice.
Should be digging in and closing up this first play-through soon.
directed by Stephen to take care of the four entities, after that Isabeau is back with me
Jonathan
Should be digging in and closing up this first play-through soon.
They just randomly appear?
1/256 chance
And in a specified location. I've had no luck myself.
Not if you put energy drain on every party member. Almost never misses, guaranteed to suck out more HP/MP if the enemy has some to spare, and since its almighty, there's nobody that can natively block it.
Eh, I don't like energy drain at all. Takes up a valuable skill slot that could go to a null/drn/rpl on your demons, takes a turn, and the mp recovery app works outside of battle. Random battles end in the first phase, usually (more like the very first turn the MC can take; every build has a way to just clear the deck with a multi-target spell), and there's enough chakra items to refill mp when needed.
Yeah, I tend to not use items in this game since only Flynn has native access in battle. I also use Debilitate and Luster Candy, among other high MP usage spells, so Energy Drain makes sense to me.
MP apps are more convenient *shrug* I only needed Energy Drain for long boss battles, which were rare. And practically never for my MC, the main damage dealer. He had enough MP. By the end of the game I bought all the apps I listed and a bunch of extras so it won't hurt to get the MP apps eventually.
I really liked Energy Drain up until the point where you make the first fork. On my MC I was draining over 100MP per cast, with demons usually around 40MP, so it was great at the time (and I didn't have the MP app yet).
Urban Scholar
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Can anyone tell me what demons fuse to make parvati lvl 25 megami please?
I tried using the fusion chart out there on the internet but... I can't make heads or tails of it.
I tried using the fusion chart out there on the internet but... I can't make heads or tails of it.
Select Megami as target and check the compendium demons. If Mido tells you have a lot of results, add another criteria and you should find what you're looking for.
Use this website. It lists all the demons and all the possible fusions to get a demon.
http://erikku.github.io/smt4tool/
Urban Scholar
Member
Ok....oh...oh wow! <3
I don't think it's a glitch. Seeing how broken Jihad was in Strange Journey (the equivalent of Antichthon), they probably balanced it a little bit.
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I finally got my first famed demon by fusion accident:
I don't think it's a glitch. Seeing how broken Jihad was in Strange Journey (the equivalent of Antichthon), they probably balanced it a little bit.
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I finally got my first famed demon by fusion accident:
How do you trigger a fusion accident?
hosannainexcelsis
Member
8 slots is not enough. It's Pokemon all over again, I have to choose what to keep.
You can buy more slots with app points.
FreedomFighter
Member
I'm 13 hours in and I sort of split between MAG and DEX. I'm new to this game so I don't know if that's the best strategy but...
Anyways, to veterans... I find myself hanging on to a few particular spells (Dia, Media, the one that boosts Attack power, etc). Is this ok to do or should I start letting some of that stuff go? I tend to only swap out magic spells for more power magic spells (and gun moves).
What are you finding more useful now, MAG or DEX? I'd recommend ditching one and focusing in the other along with something like AGILITY or LUCK.
As for the skills, keep the ones that you find yourself using constantly. I'd recommend having an "experiment" skill slot so you can try new skills whenever you get one and see how useful they are.
Extra Sauce
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You know you're early in a game when the name of your quest is "Let's get breakfast".
NeonZ
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It can randomly happen while using standard fusion. Using Foul and dead demons in the fusion raises the chances of accidents though.
Does that include undead demons?
cj_iwakura
Member
Law ending get.
Game was a masterpiece, but overall, it was far too easy to break.
Lucifer was PATHETIC. Concentrate + Spark = die nasty.
Let's just pretend he's a poser and not the 'true form' Kaneko's been teasing for a while.
Ending just plain sucked. Yes, I want to be a martyr after all that. HOW ABOUT NO.
Let's just pretend he's a poser and not the 'true form' Kaneko's been teasing for a while.
Ending just plain sucked. Yes, I want to be a martyr after all that. HOW ABOUT NO.
Game was a masterpiece, but overall, it was far too easy to break.
buddha0991
Member
This Lucifer feels like a weakened form to me, not a true one, not even close.
Thickstone
Member
Finished the game yesterday with the law ending. I love the game, except for the characters and story. In general, I felt that the characters were way too underdeveloped and the plot felt totally unfocused.
I'd give it an 8,5/10. It was one of the most immersive games I've played in a long time and although the story department was kinda meh, the overall setting and atmosphere save the game by a great mile.
I really did not like the law and chaos-endings. They both seem to include a huge BUT and they left me a bit unsatisfied. Neutral really appears to be the most desirable one...but good luck going for that one without a guide.
The middle part seems to be kind of pointless story-wise. The twists with the multiple possible worlds was IMO half-assed and came out of nowhere. I liked the idea, but the execution left a lot to be desired.
Btw. what was the story behind the demon summoning program that users could install on their devices? Was it the reason for Tokyo to become demon-infested? What or who created Mikado?
Who where the white ones? Human consciousness?
The middle part seems to be kind of pointless story-wise. The twists with the multiple possible worlds was IMO half-assed and came out of nowhere. I liked the idea, but the execution left a lot to be desired.
Btw. what was the story behind the demon summoning program that users could install on their devices? Was it the reason for Tokyo to become demon-infested? What or who created Mikado?
Who where the white ones? Human consciousness?
I'd give it an 8,5/10. It was one of the most immersive games I've played in a long time and although the story department was kinda meh, the overall setting and atmosphere save the game by a great mile.
I think this is for reflect but I'd have to check for sure. I think I've seen something there when I had tetrakarn up, but I'm not sure if it shows same for makarakarn or tetraja.
Funny enough, I hadn't had one until today, and I got two, which resulted in an Orochi and a Siegfried.
Not complaining!
QuiteWhittle
Member
I'm typing on my phone so these answers aren't terribly well-written but...
Much of this stuff is hidden in NPC dialogue.
Kiyoharu mentions that the DSP was released on the internet by Stephen to combat demons who, given the exposition's close proximity to SMT1, probably entered into the world via a portal to Makai created during Stephen's terminal experiment.
Mikado was originally an Eden for God's chosen built on the bedrock covering Tokyo that was reformed into a kingdom when Akira/Aquilla climbed sky tower(to save his sister) and became king.
And the Whites are manifestations of humanity's desire to escape God's control.
Kiyoharu mentions that the DSP was released on the internet by Stephen to combat demons who, given the exposition's close proximity to SMT1, probably entered into the world via a portal to Makai created during Stephen's terminal experiment.
Mikado was originally an Eden for God's chosen built on the bedrock covering Tokyo that was reformed into a kingdom when Akira/Aquilla climbed sky tower(to save his sister) and became king.
And the Whites are manifestations of humanity's desire to escape God's control.
I tried.
What are you talking about? I defeated the game in law and didn't see that