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Shin Megami Tensei IV |OT| The Dark Souls of Persona
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Something interesting from the SMT4 artbook:
Yoshihiro Nishimura's demon designs were not done traditionally, but instead he created actual practical models for each design which the developers could use as a basis for the in-game art. Check out his models for Omoikane, Pluto, and Yaso Magatsuhi:
Yoshihiro Nishimura's demon designs were not done traditionally, but instead he created actual practical models for each design which the developers could use as a basis for the in-game art. Check out his models for Omoikane, Pluto, and Yaso Magatsuhi:
hosannainexcelsis
Member
It's completely stand-alone. There's some thematic references to earlier games, but it's not a sequel to anything.
Crazy stuff. I really like physical models like this. Reminds me of how much I enjoy quality practical effects in older movies as compared to the CG effects you get nowadays.
GeekyDad
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For some reason Yaso Magatsuhi seemed like the most detailed demon in the game. Plus, I love how it kept repeating its name. Sounded like Tamagotchi. The actual design reminds me of this little statue we kept in our yard my brother called Schezinski.
/random thoughts
Thanks for the info.
Extra Sauce
Member
Any tips for a boss with no weaknesses?
Quote
Member
In-game his sprite has some 3D to it while I can't recall any other sprite getting the same treatment so far. (I just met him)
Pound it with almighty or physical attacks.
Man, I put this game down for a bit, but got back into it recently the other night and I'm hooked again. I just passed some crazy storyline shit. So much stuff went down, I love it. I'm 35 hours in, just about to hit LV60. I have a feeling I've locked myself into Law route too. Got to hear the Law theme already as well, so good!
Extra Sauce
Member
Wow, I'm also 35 hours in but only level 36.
Whoa, really? Am I over leveled or what, hah? I've been DECIMATING shit for the past 15 hours it feels like. I've either got a really good party, an MC with great skills, or I'm still in that middle part of the game that's apparently pretty easy. =D
I would never fuse such an abomination... Well if that's Atlus' strategy aka if you wish to beat the boss, you need to use another (horribly designed) who is only available via DLC, no thanks.
I have 21 Magic. My MC relies on buff, healing and physical damage.
Can I bring a demon who blocks Ice and fire or will he activate "almighty spam" mode?
Haha I didn't know he had a weakness. At this point all my demons use almost only Almighty attacks.
The fight goes well until the 2nd phase when he starts removing buff/debuff and using that almighty attack after charging it to deal ~1300 damage and wipe out everyone in my party.
I will try something on a demon and if it works I will apply it to the others to see how the boss will react to it.
Good to hear!
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Ok so I just started this game, still close to the beginning. I'm at the part where
. Is there any way to avoid it....or are you just fucked?
you're going to find Navarre and there's a fucking poison pit.
Elaugaufein
Member
A fair bit of detail about Ancient of Days AI.
It only full heals if you hit its weakness, so you can just attrition it to death, as long as you don't hit its weakness. You'll probably a need high luck team though to shake of Stigmata . And yeah it can Almighty spam (using Stigmata Beam) but its the same rules as the fiends, someone can no sell but not everyone. You can debuff/buff as much as you like in the early part of the fight but if it you're at +3 / its at -3 it will use Silent Prayer in the last part (you can still safely +2/-2 at that point).
Elaugaufein
Member
Gotta suck it up the first time. [spoiler[You can avoid it afterwoods but there's a wormwood block that you need to destroy from the other side.
Best thing to do is unsummon your demons and avoid combat. There's a chest with a dispoison in it in the passaage.[/spoiler]
I'm not sure if the last part is accurate.
I've had it use Silent Prayer in the second part of the fight even though I left it at +2/-2. Unless the first Silent Prayer is automatic?
zyxwvu4321
Member
So Fiend hunting.... is this spoilers? Well, just in case:
Black Rider is at the exact same spot on the floor as Matador, just in the other shelter, right? Just checking before wasting some time, haha.
Demons will only appear on the special fusion list if you have at least one of the demons required to fuse it. It doesn't matter if you have unlocked the fusion.
Elaugaufein
Member
May also be that it's got a chance of using it normally but always does it at max.
GeekyDad
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I thought so.
In case anyone is reaaaaaaally wondering about the inspirations behind the designs for Jonathan and Walter, the artbook also confirms that Jonathan's amazing hair is a result of the director showing Doi a photo of Brian May from Queen and suggesting he use a similar hairstyle. Doi further confirms that Walter being the chaos hero needed a "punk rock" look, so his look was inspired by Sex Pistols members ‎John Lydon and Sid Vicious.
Oh, and the Terminal Room design in SMT4 is a homage to Cerebro in X-Men, just like how the Terminal Rooms in the older SMT games were based on the pod design in The Fly. Atlus loves their scifi references.
Oh, and the Terminal Room design in SMT4 is a homage to Cerebro in X-Men, just like how the Terminal Rooms in the older SMT games were based on the pod design in The Fly. Atlus loves their scifi references.
So I finally had time (after a month or so?) to get back to the game. Fused a gourd-snake guy (hey, I don't have it around right now. Those names are hard to remember) with Zanma, and then beat
(Observation Platform boss) after a few tries.
Still annoys me how I had the boss down to around one more turn's worth of HP, and then my team blew up in my face. Battles are constantly on a knife's edge.
Anyways, exploring Tokyo and Ueno, having fun. Going for a gun build, so I got a bazooka. Fun but... dangerous with things that block gun damage.
Medusa
Still annoys me how I had the boss down to around one more turn's worth of HP, and then my team blew up in my face. Battles are constantly on a knife's edge.
Anyways, exploring Tokyo and Ueno, having fun. Going for a gun build, so I got a bazooka. Fun but... dangerous with things that block gun damage.
The Shoot command will do elemental damage, not gun damage.
Extra Sauce
Member
Can you redo the "Death Has Its Applications" DLC as many times as you like?
Trojita
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Extra Sauce
Member
I didn't realize I got an "infinite App points" cheat when I made the purchase. Now I feel dirty.
Mmm. Still haven't actually used it, I might altogether skip it to maintain the satisfaction I get every time my Flynn levels up.
olimpia84
Member
What are the requirements for the "Dance of the Dead" challenge quest. It's supposed to be available early in the game but it hasn't showed up in my quest list. Right now I'm at
and want to get rid some of the early challenge quests that I didn't complete such as the missing child in the forest and the lake Mikado beast.
Ueno Underground/Terminal
I got my revenge on Ancient of Days. All what I needed is a strong demon who is able to keep up with me, and that was my loyal Vishnu after I changed his skill set.
Until now I neglected Draconic Reaction but it turned out being a top tier skill. The boss was missing half of his attacks on Vishnu thanks to that skill.
It's a shame that I had to do the fight with only one demon but at least it worked.
Anyway, I'm glad for being able to do the challenge without using any of the DLC demons/skills/whatever. It was a cool fight with a beautiful music (the same as the one played during the boss
fight).
BTW thank you duckroll and Elaugaufein for the tips.
Until now I neglected Draconic Reaction but it turned out being a top tier skill. The boss was missing half of his attacks on Vishnu thanks to that skill.
It's a shame that I had to do the fight with only one demon but at least it worked.
Anyway, I'm glad for being able to do the challenge without using any of the DLC demons/skills/whatever. It was a cool fight with a beautiful music (the same as the one played during the boss
Merkabah
BTW thank you duckroll and Elaugaufein for the tips.
Zee_truly evil
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So I just defeated Minotaur and took up a side quest, I was feeling pretty good but damn!! I am stuck again, can't beat David, I wasn't expecting it to be this tough, any tips for me GAF?? I'm level 15 btw.
That one you might just have to come back to in five levels or so.
ColossalLazy
Member
This game is awesome. Already in Tokyo.
In the Ueno pond just beat
Question: Is the Negotiate app an upgrade to the Scout? I am on the fence in buying this one since I am prioritizing opening skill and stock slots.
In the Ueno pond just beat
Pellaidh. Medusa was a tough cookie even with spamming Sukunda and Sukukaja she hit me like a truck.
Question: Is the Negotiate app an upgrade to the Scout? I am on the fence in buying this one since I am prioritizing opening skill and stock slots.
Nah, negotiate (negotiate a cease-fire) is a different app.
SpaceBridge
Member
End game spoilers:
credits are rolling. Did the game just end? The girl said thanks and that's it?
Is there more? Finishes neutral route btw.
Is there more? Finishes neutral route btw.
ColossalLazy
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Fuck Blight
Edit: The difference a smirk can do is huge. Beat
Edit: The difference a smirk can do is huge. Beat
David
NeededSleep
Member
Just finished my first play through at 83 hours. Ended up with an ending i didn't want so im gonna try again!
I gotta say. This game was AMAZING, I've never played a main SMT title before, just its offshoot games like persona and such. What a great game!
Ended up with the pro-god/good ending. Unfortunately when i got to the point where it tallies all your points for the decision it automatically placed me in good each time. I was really hoping for a neutral ending.
I gotta say. This game was AMAZING, I've never played a main SMT title before, just its offshoot games like persona and such. What a great game!
NeonZ
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Neutral has the longest end game section, but no epilogue or anything like that. The game just ends. Law and Chaos have shorter final sections, but they have more fitting final scenes (at least, structurally, their actual content is another matter). Law even has an epilogue narration
SpaceBridge
Member
I read in the spoiler thread that one of the endings has you able to travel the map and do side quests.
ranmafan
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I finally finished my first play through as well yesterday. Got stuck a little bit and took a break for a few weeks, but finally pushed through and finished with the law ending. Would've like to have gotten the neutral one, but Ill try for that next time.
Simply put, best game I've played all year easily. One of the most fun experiences I've had gaming wise in a very long time. Challenging game, great world, fantastic gameplay. Can't wait to play through it again.
Simply put, best game I've played all year easily. One of the most fun experiences I've had gaming wise in a very long time. Challenging game, great world, fantastic gameplay. Can't wait to play through it again.
buddha0991
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no and thats the most in depth ending out of the bunch. Mainline SMT games (SMT 1/2/Nocturne/SJ/IV) are known for their sort of brief endings.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
So, the game does imply rather strongly that Isabeau
, yeah?
holds feelings for the MC
NeonZ
Member
That was the neutral ending. Just don't trigger the final event and you can still go around doing anything that isn't locked out even after beating Lucifer. In the Chaos ending, you can still go around Mikado, before triggering the final scene, and in law you're completely locked after the final boss is defeated and the ending starts right afterwards.