ColdBlooder
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I'm sorry, but the argument ended with this...
The power gap Wii U vs PS360 is way bigger than Wii too GC
GC to Wii powerincrease was a whopping 1.5x because Wii used the exact same chips(!) with 1.5x higher clockspeed...
I'm sorry, but the argument ended with this...
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Yeah, it's finally time for some people to deal with it.
The Wii U is a little bit "stronger" than PS360.
That's it!
Gemüsepizza;43011993 said:I doubt that, the powergap will still be very big:
1. The PS4 and Xbox 720 will have a lot more raw hardware power then the Wii U. Higher clock speeds, higher fillrate, more memory, hdd, ...
2. The PS4 and Xbox 720 will have a more advanced feature set than the Wii U, comparable to DX11 and beyond.
I don't mean to say that the Wii U will have no downports. That is always possible, and it will probably be easier then in this gen. But those games simply won't look good. Right now most games are based on DX9 with a few additional DX11 effects for PC. I am quite sure next gen games will make heavy use of DX11. If you have to pass on these features, those games will look bad. And even if the Wii U has all the features of DX11 (which I doubt), those games will still take a heavy hit on the Wii U, because the PS4 and Xbox 720 will probably use all of their raw hardware power to make them run in 720p. You would still have to heavily reduce the effects and/or the resolution.
yup, nothing shows hardware potential like launch titles, as seen by genji days of the blade
Well you can downport but... will the game remain the same ?
The difference in just GPU power between Wii's GPU (12GFLOPs) and 360's GPU (240GFLOPs)
For PS4 and XB3 to outpace the 360 (much less the Wii U, that is rumored to have ~600GFLOPs) they would need to have 4.8TFLOPs, which is probably the entire power of HD8970 (a card that hasn't even released yet, with a TDP likely around 300watts and a cost of at least $500)
The Xbox had much more raw hardware power than the PS2. (21GFLOPs vs 6GFLOPs, 64MB ram vs 32MB ram, the list does go on here...)
Wii U's GPU is comparable to DX11.
Even DX10.1 vs DX11 hardware has very little difference, especially if you use OpenGL, stepping outside of DX leaves the HD4000 and later series on a nearly identical feature set... DX11.1 btw is a VERY small update.
Anyways as you can see, your post was really poorly worded. Wii U will be the weakest of the next gen consoles and that difference will be noticeable but it will also be negligible.
Wii U's GPU is comparable to DX11.
Like you say, it still is an increase. So I don't see the stupidity of the 'next gen = more power' assumption you mentioned.The power gap Wii U vs PS360 is way bigger than Wii too GC
GC to Wii powerincrease was a whopping 1.5x because Wii used the exact same chips(!) with 1.5x higher clockspeed...
M°°nblade;43012621 said:Like you say, it still is an increase. So I don't see the stupidity of the 'next gen = more power' assumption you mentioned.
Also, isn't the power increase compared to PS360 hardware rumoured to be a whopping 1.5x - 2x as well?
How do you know this?
The difference between the wiiu-ps4/nextbox was said to be bigger than the dreamcast-xbox by lherre who is a developer,that's a pretty huge gap in performance.developers have directly compared them...
Also to the other guy, it's funny that you say "we don't know this" but then you tell us the future.
Well, the important bits are that the tech is more advanced and superior, so it's not "2006"/ "basically last-gen" tech as some people love to claim, and the often overlooked fact that it's not just about raw computational performance. You can do things on Wii U that would be prohibitive or outright impossible on PS3 and 360 not due to the system being more powerful, but simply because it's much more modern - but you most likely won't see that at launch because it requires different approaches. The "X times/ Y percent faster" stuff doesn't really work.
The difference between the wiiu-ps4/nextbox was said to be bigger than the dreamcast-xbox by lherre who is a developer,that's a pretty huge gap in performance.
yep, graphics matter again.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42110464&postcount=2662This was never said....
Anyway, I'm sure the same arguments have been rehashed to death in terms of PS4/720 coming out and then no one caring about Wii U, but I'm just happy to hear there is some juice in the Wii U. Nintendo games are going to look amazing even with the jump there is over the PS3/360 and the exclusives like Bayonetta 2 are going to be great.
Yeah man, I totally respect the graphics
In my opinion I won't put the difference between ps4/xb3 and wii u as the difference between ps2 and xbox. I'll put it bigger than xbox-dc (performance, here it appears that only the gpu is the "main" part in a console ... I think ps3 show us that the cpu can do great things if there is room for it).This is why I said some time ago that I'm interested in the bussiness approach of the companies this "next" gen.
This is only my opinion and nothing more, not a fact, I want to be clear with this, to avoid misunderstandings (so please don't quote me in other forums, etc, it's just a personal opinion).
developers have directly compared them...
Also to the other guy, it's funny that you say "we don't know this" but then you tell us the future.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42110464&postcount=2662
You can't have subjective personal opinions about power when the spec sheet is in front of you.
But sometimes, you have to make things clear. I know Wii U will not be much more powerfull than Xbox360 or PS3, but you cant say it is less powerfull or it wont make better things. And thats what some people are claiming.
yep, graphics matter again.
Nobody will learn from this. People will continue to judge the system by early ports.
He's a developer and his personal opinion matters much more here and he seems to know the specs of all the next gen consoles.He says it's his opinion right in the freaking post.
yup, nothing shows hardware potential like launch titles, as seen by genji days of the blade
He's a developer and his personal opinion matters much more here and he seems to know the specs of all the next gen consoles.
Nintendo have a lot of work to do.
zombieu is a early port?
zombieu is a early port?
Well, as Linzner said, getting the most out of the system will require new approaches (which basically rules out early ports and first generation software in general) and capable developers. I agree that Nintendo should have shown something more flashy, though. A glimpse at what's possible. We'll see, maybe they'll do just that in the next few weeks. As unpredictable as Nintendo is, it's impossible to tell.or, you know, the 1080P/60fps Ridge Racer 7... but hey! I agree with your point fundamentally, but i don't think cherry picking Genji out the pack proves much.
As per Mr Klaw - for all this talk of the machine being so much better, there's nothing remotely showing it at launch. Modern tech means little, results are what matters - and i'm sure we'll see them - just so far, nothing "kills" what X360/PS3 are doing and , unfortunately, it doesn't matter what they did at launch - WiiU is up against those two machines output -now-
Nintendo have a lot of work to do.
Ya, or maybe Nintendo will use Bayonetta 2 as a showcase and work with Platinum to get it fully pushing the system.
(much less the Wii U, that is rumored to have ~600GFLOPs)
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The Xbox had much more raw hardware power than the PS2. (21GFLOPs vs 6GFLOPs, 64MB ram vs 32MB ram, the list does go on here...)
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I didn't initially want to, but the "19x faster" bullshit thread made me change my mind. Mostly because I wanted to point out that the X times/ Y percent faster shit needs to stop, even though I knew it would be futile.Wsipple, I thought the WiiU Members Association agreed this wouldn't be threaded during our Early October Summit which included bockwurst and schnitzel horderves!
Nintendo is to blame for this stupid discussion, they should have released the system with a technical impressive game to show the power and shut up the doubters. Amusing to see the typical defence force fill the gap after Pramath's ban. So much insecurity. Carry on kids...
Nintendo is to blame for this stupid discussion, they should have released the system with a technical impressive game to show the power and shut up the doubters. Amusing to see the typical defence force fill the gap after Pramath's ban. So much insecurity. Carry on kids...
I didn't initially want to, but the "19x faster" bullshit thread made me change my mind. Mostly because I wanted to point out that the X times/ Y percent faster shit needs to stop, even though I knew it would be futile.
Nintendo is to blame for this stupid discussion, they should have released the system with a technical impressive game to show the power and shut up the doubters. Amusing to see the typical defence force fill the gap after Pramath's ban. So much insecurity. Carry on kids...
Nothing wrong with the Japanese Garden demo. Nintendo doesn't jump when NeoGAF says how high.
Even a teaser from Retro would have been nice. Or tech demos even. Right now it feels like Nintendo don't give a shit about the machine, so how are we and third parties supposed to?
Yeah, but everything is pretty much set in stone by now, so there's no need to hold back any longer.I would be stupid from Nintendo to play with complete open cards, while the other two hide there hands.
The powergap between Wii U and PS4/720 will be significantly smaller than Wii to PS360.
Wiis GPU was insanely outdated on launch. Wiis GPU lacked programmable shaders wich PS3 and Xbox 360 have. That was one major problem. And the insane power gap didn´t help the situation!
Wii Us GPU is AT LEAST DX 10.1 and SM4.1. DX11 and SM5 don´t suddenly introduce stuff that would make Wii U incapable of downports!
You'd be surprised how self-important many a gaffer consider themselves.Nothing wrong with the Japanese Garden demo. Nintendo doesn't jump when NeoGAF says how high.
This was also the common thought on GAF regarding the difference between PSP/DS and Vita/3DS.
This was also the common thought on GAF regarding the difference between PSP/DS and Vita/3DS.
WHY ARE THERE STILL THREADS LIKE THIS