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SHOOTEMBER Wrasslin 2016 |OT| - Can Punks Catch as Catch Can Too?
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slightconfuse
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Barry Darsow Has to be one of the most versatile wrestlers
Russian turncoat to demolition to repo man to golfer
Russian turncoat to demolition to repo man to golfer
Professor Beef
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slightconfuse
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Ariel helwani interviews punk
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I don't see "shoot for a double leg" as an option
If anyone knows what it's like to have your culture appropriated from you it's a white man with a ponytail.
And with that, Bash at the Beach is dead. And Hogan's WCW run is over. What a wacky event, with glimmers of promise here and there. I would've liked for Booker T to win under different circumstances, but he seemed really happy so whatever. I should check around and see if he's talked about the event.
Discotheque
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When is the press conference. Do you think he will sit down on top of the table and give a "pipe bomb"?
"Lemme tell you about Dana and Vince..."
UrbanDandy
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Good question. I think they would go down. If it wasn't for Austin, there would be no DX and now Monday Night War.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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What kind of hypothetical is this?
Triple H is the one who killed WCW. Didn't you watch the buildup to Wrestlemania 31?
slightconfuse
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Punk doesn't have his fight music yet
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Confession: I just tried one of the sites and it told me to sign-up.
Free Porn Day is a work!
DXs importance is so fucking overrated outside of the Mike Tyson build.
In not even sure Bret comes back in 1996 if he is working with one of HBKs lackeys instead of Austin.
Who knows if Austin gets that push and somebody like Rock was getting help from Bret at the time right?
For as much as HHH and his Chyna replacment claim to have beat wcw had Vince went with him the company would either be dead or unable to make enough money to justify going public.
Yep, the Curtain Call is monumentally important. But not for the reason you'd assume.
HHH still had McMahon's ear though. The entire time through HBK and then after he left...but what would have been there?
Bret still had business left with HBK of course. That was the original go to match after all at WM 13. Logical match at 14 after 13 fell through as well.
HHH still had McMahon's ear though. The entire time through HBK and then after he left...but what would have been there?
Bret still had business left with HBK of course. That was the original go to match after all at WM 13. Logical match at 14 after 13 fell through as well.
WouldYouKindly
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I think his big break was that Bret Feud.
He floundered a bit after the King of The Ring promo despite that being the match that lit the fuse.
The break about HBK was him injuring himself in that taker match.
A drugged out HBK with all of the pull he had and pull HHH had (espically with Steph in the background trying to court him) Austin would have lost that belt simply because Vince would have been scared of HBK going to WCW. Its why HBK still had a job and was backstage and shit until the day of the last Nitro.
SallyIsNow
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I wanted to post the WWE Network R-Truth gif, but they didn't get money. So I'll just post my fave gif of the year.
I'm saying I don't know if Bret resigns that deal if his first program wasn't with somebody whom he respected.
HHH gets that King of the Ring push and maybe it's similar to Reigns or Diesel in that Vince doesn't give up.
No Austin shining moment
Maybe no Bret
Possibly no Rock
And at best HHH would be the heel and turn on HBK or something.
Hell Zach can remind everyone what a shot champ he was in 1999 and 2000 before Foley put him on the map. He was still getting things like the licensed music and shit other guys didn't have Vinces ok with.
Professor Beef
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Is it possible to wrestle yourself?
Who on that 1995 would have Bret Wrestled after the mania 12 match?
Looking at that roster aside from revisiting Owen maybe he would have worked with a young Rocky Mavia
sf2fanatic
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Sibersk Esto
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How was the lucha underground season premiere?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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serenewarfare
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I 100% agree with him. People would have ate that up and he would have gotten over off of just that walkout. Instead he has to come out to a song that's "harder" because UFC is hardcore, man. (Except Miesha Tate who comes out to a Katy Perry song).
notworksafe
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I think that's the point. Dana doesn't want Gall to be more over than Punk.
Eh, KOTR was special because of the awesome promo he gave more than anything else. He could have always given a good promo. Austin definitely would have made it happen. And KOTR wasn't something that immediately made him into a star. It was a slow rise. On Summerslam 1996, they were still sticking him in a match on the pre show.
Although it of course catapulted him, Austin was already becoming popular before WM XIII. That's what made the double turn possible. It would have just taken longer.
serenewarfare
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Nothing groundbreaking in the Observer this week, but here are a few tidbits:
And a sizeable update on the Paige situation:
And a sizeable update on the Paige situation:
Austin literally was not going to be on the WM card.
And yeah, the KOTR 1996 stuff was a slow build...that only happened because of the exposure he got there. The feud with Pillman. The program with Bret. Is Austin even big enough to fight if he hadn't been KOTR? Does SS 1996 even happen?
And yeah, the KOTR 1996 stuff was a slow build...that only happened because of the exposure he got there. The feud with Pillman. The program with Bret. Is Austin even big enough to fight if he hadn't been KOTR? Does SS 1996 even happen?
This is the McMahons we are talking about.
All that matters is if they can get a TV deal to keep them afloat and the rest is Vince putting out his vision for a product.
Austin may have gotten the spot at Rumble but without that promo and his merch selling plus Vince being forced to put out content people liked as opposed to what he wanted because of the competition Austin broke through.
The second Vince could get that belt off Austin and onto HHH he did and the company's presentation since that Summerslam has been all about Vince, steph, HHH, and even to some extent Linda's political future.
Even if SS96 didn't happen, with his change of character (that he came up with on his own) and speaking ability, it was only a matter of time. It's not like if he had come in a year later in 1997, he wouldn't have been a huge gigantic star. Come on, this is like Kurrgan. Eventually his talent and determination would have shined through. I think very little would have been different if HHH had won KOTR instead.
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Brian_FETO
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....then why not give her a character that wasn't tied to their act? Obviously now they turned her but still
Idk Austin refused to job to HHH because he wasn't ready And I don't blame him for that( in fact his many guys in the roster today would tell Vince they don't or won't job? Taker might be the only one of them left)
WCW and ECW were bound to fail due to internal issues but had the WWF not had Austin or had HHH in that spot maybe the WWF collapses with them.
He would have taken his ball and went home.
Remember, Austin was there for the HHH show in 2002. He wasn't adapting well to that different landscape.
"The show is going to revolve around HHH and I'm going to be thrown to Brock on a random Raw? Fuck you idiots."
The important thing about that 2001 HHH was he refused to turn face despite WWF needing one with the invasion.
He knew that Austin would probably have to get a win over him and after that PPV match he had with him before mania 17 he wasn't ever going to let that happen.
I'd love to really understand what HHH was thinking or how he looks back at him booking himself like that and seeing the company fall from popularity after so many left in 2004.
I bet you he points to that mania 21 program and buyrate but what's the point of being champion when you can bookyourself as it? Look at that program he had with Orton that main evented that shit show of a wrestlemania. In any storytelling way Orton should have been the champ but HHH just had to check that box of defending at mania despite being so old at the time.
I'd like to believe he changed when he built up NXT but we still get him putting himself over. Maybe that's just for shareholders for when he plans to become CEO but it comes across sad in the big picture.
What other writers direct themselves to always look good or come out as strong / "cool" in movies?
He knew that Austin would probably have to get a win over him and after that PPV match he had with him before mania 17 he wasn't ever going to let that happen.
I'd love to really understand what HHH was thinking or how he looks back at him booking himself like that and seeing the company fall from popularity after so many left in 2004.
I bet you he points to that mania 21 program and buyrate but what's the point of being champion when you can bookyourself as it? Look at that program he had with Orton that main evented that shit show of a wrestlemania. In any storytelling way Orton should have been the champ but HHH just had to check that box of defending at mania despite being so old at the time.
I'd like to believe he changed when he built up NXT but we still get him putting himself over. Maybe that's just for shareholders for when he plans to become CEO but it comes across sad in the big picture.
What other writers direct themselves to always look good or come out as strong / "cool" in movies?
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