Most if not all major Promotion in Japan don't have a women division.
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Its separated like posters have said. The women who do appear on that show are portrayed like attitude era WWE.
They have their own godfather character:
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https://twitter.com/DeadYujiro/status/890688858182037506
excelsiorlef
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Nah it has, Cody even literally said as much:
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...-rhodes-on-making-more-money-now-than-in-wwe/
We didn't hear Cody talk about his indy money being so good until after he was solidly in The Elite and in Hot Topic.
half a moon
Banned
Well that sucks :|
That doesn't say anything about appearance rates. That's all I'm talking about. And yeah he did talk about making good money that he was happy with. Definitely wasn't WWE money but he was always happy.
Except unlike that analogy there was a time where women's wrestling far outshined men's.
excelsiorlef
Member
Oh I missed this.
Excellent post. Fully agree and as a woman that thirsty shit bugs me.
excelsiorlef
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Ok then we're talking about completely different things.
When I said Cody money I meant literally what he's making now, aka more than he made in WWE.
serenewarfare
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BOLA final is
Well yeah, duh. It's not a quality assessment. It's in terms of how it's organized and separated.
In the 90's, joshi was god-tier wrestling.
Keith Lee/Jeff Cobb/Ricochet
Well yeah, duh. It's not a quality assessment. It's in terms of how it's organized and separated.
In the 90's, joshi was god-tier wrestling.
half a moon
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Why is it less popular now? Or it always was?
half a moon
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Semi common
Wrestling bubble brusted
excelsiorlef
Member
I hear they're awesome
serenewarfare
Banned
In the 90's, it was incredibly popular. Why it fell off I do not know for sure. There's a story there, but I don't know it.
It's a recent trend.
More like the mid 80s to the early to mid 9ps , it started to fall during the late 90s.
excelsiorlef
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Speaking about Larry Steve (Alexa's pig) holy cow is he cute.
https://www.instagram.com/larry_steve_/
https://www.instagram.com/larry_steve_/
serenewarfare
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To give anyone who is unaware a sense of how great All Japan Women were, Manami Toyota has SEVENTEEN FIVE STAR MATCHES per Meltzer. The fourth most of any wrestler ever.
And this is her last year.
Yeah, when I say 90's, I meant mid-90's mostly. 92-94 was arguably the peak of popularity and quality.
And this is her last year.
Yeah, when I say 90's, I meant mid-90's mostly. 92-94 was arguably the peak of popularity and quality.
Sibersk Esto
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Basically, both men and women's Japanese wrestling declined because after the boom period died down, promoters and wrestlers tore each other apart and splintered off into a dozen directions and no one could really break through. Then, most of those splinter groups died.
It's a shame since those 80s joshi crowds had such a dominant vocal presence from its female audience. Now venues are filled with awkward dudes screaming for their waifu every once in a while.
Speaking of which, American pro wrestling should be held up as a case study in how myopic male-centric marketing can pigeonhole your product. I'm not sure if the stigma can ever be reversed over here.
Speaking of which, American pro wrestling should be held up as a case study in how myopic male-centric marketing can pigeonhole your product. I'm not sure if the stigma can ever be reversed over here.
serenewarfare
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Video games, especially in the early 2000's, are a good case study for that as well.
excelsiorlef
Member
Agreed.
Attitude Era was a big reason for that too which is kind of ironic in that their biggest success might have closed off expanding to the other 50% of the market.
It's a shame too because good wrestling is transcendent
serenewarfare
Banned
The female audience has been rising pretty significantly over the past few years though, so maybe there's hope for it yet. But they did massive damage to it.
It has improved since the rise of the big 4. Right now the 18-49 audience of Raw is made up of 40% women viewers.
The problem right now is preventing the hardcore fans like those in Brooklyn of not scaring them off in attending events. Aka saying that they are not real fans and sexist comments in crowds.
As a dude that shit annoys me
Brian_FETO
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Friends
I have seen the future, or maybe the past
It is called Twin Peaks: The Return
I have seen the future, or maybe the past
It is called Twin Peaks: The Return
excelsiorlef
Member
That shit is why I go in hard when anyone plays the Alexa is just where she is because he's hot card.
Mostly that happens in PPV threads though fortunately.
Yeah for sure, they need to put more resources into curbing that shit.
HashtagLapsed
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Thats hard in a big crowd and when they are chasing beach balls now. They should try but its a societal problem.
At least in NXT is easier to do like that idiot who was called Mandy a Slut and security and all the wrestlers after that called it out to him to his face.
serenewarfare
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So I did some digging regarding Sasha. All standard first WWE deals are three years. Follow-up deals can range anywhere from the standard three years for most people to up to five years for a top guy like Cena or Orton. Sasha signed her first WWE deal in August of 2012. So presumably she re-signed for the standard three more in August of 2015. So by that logic, her contract wouldn't expire until August of next year. That's a long way off to be "burning bridges on the way out" as it were. She's either not doing that purposely, or she's trying to get fired.
It's certainly not trivial but it can and should be done. It's a bitter pill to swallow but the bottom line would justify it.
avengers23
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Regarding joshi, this is a good podcast episode about the current state of joshi in Japan: http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2017/07/26/wrestling-omakase-5-joshi/
SallyIsNow
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I love this segment so much.
serenewarfare
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Ricochet
First two time winner.
Said he's going to win the PWG title before going on to "bigger and better things". lol. Hint much?
excelsiorlef
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serenewarfare
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Given that Ricochet seems WWE-bound sooner rather than later, maybe this is part of a farewell run of sorts for him.
excelsiorlef
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LOL if Ricochet is WWE-bound and they don't have multiple events planned before next year, Ricochet is going to have to job to Chuck Taylor. What a time to be alive.
serenewarfare
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You leave the territory on your back.
He's damn good. I highly enjoyed his match.I don't care.
I'm just a Keith Lee mark
On BOLA
Rico winning is a nice send-off. He's somehow an underrated performer right now, I don't think people realize just how good he is.
That said I'm strangely not that upset that he's going to WWE. He really has done absolutely everything except a NJPW heavyweight run that would never happen. He should do well to cash it all in for a nice Fed contract and hopefully not a spot on 205 Live.
Also, goddamn that schedule is brutal, he's already heading to Japan the morning after a brutal tournament in a shitty venue.
That said I'm strangely not that upset that he's going to WWE. He really has done absolutely everything except a NJPW heavyweight run that would never happen. He should do well to cash it all in for a nice Fed contract and hopefully not a spot on 205 Live.
Also, goddamn that schedule is brutal, he's already heading to Japan the morning after a brutal tournament in a shitty venue.
British Monsoon
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Chigusa's great, but you can't really compare shiny babyface Manami to Dump of all people. THE monster heel of the 80's who (by necessity) works a completely different style. Toyota's benefited from having more of her top-level work more readily available, and being at the forefront of AJW when it was at it's peak in terms of international recognition, but let's not diminish her record of top tier matches, which IS fantastic.
Also, far more influential? To who? Sure, that's who people like Aja Kong cited when they were getting into joshi, but I'd bet more women's wrestlers today are aware of and were influenced by Toyota's work than they were Dump Matsumoto or Chigusa, that goes for both joshi and worldwide.
Manami's a goddamn legend and I was super lucky to get to see her live this year, there are few as good as her. But then, you think Hokuto's overrated as well, don't you?
hopefully we get at least 1 year's worth of NXT
Ricochet
seriously why are we spoilering this shit? its like spoilering a football team signing someone or if you want to go the entertainment route, spoilering who is cast as playing Wolverine in the next movie.
Yes, spoiler culture makes me salty.