Should Amazon Swoop in with a mid to high-end media device right now?
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
NO.
No more. There's too much of these shitty things at this point, and Amazon can't ship a halfway decent game, platform, or service despite dumping biilions of $$ and more than a decade into their dead-end gaming initiatives.
No more. There's too much of these shitty things at this point, and Amazon can't ship a halfway decent game, platform, or service despite dumping biilions of $$ and more than a decade into their dead-end gaming initiatives.
Magic Carpet
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The screen would be e-ink hopefully color.
Yoda
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Amazon doesn't know how to do quality consumer devices. The Alexa speaker has failed, I've never met anyone with a fire tv stick, the fire phone was a flop, the robot was a flop... I could keep going. Outside of Kindle, which I'd argue is a budget mass market device, they've been failing on all fronts.
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DeltaPolarBear
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That is what I would say about Sony back decades ago. Companies can try something new if they got the right people.
Yekshemesh
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The better question is would you buy a console made by amazon?
This got to be a joke post.... You would've said that about Sony? Who was on top of their game in consumer electronics device decades ago? Are from earth?
This got to be a joke post.... You would've said that about Sony? Who was on top of their game in consumer electronics device decades ago? Are from earth?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I absolutely assure you, they do not have the right people, let alone the appetite to invest in gaming and do it properly. Nothing goes out the door that runs counter to Amazon's image, so you will never see them 1) hire enough of the right people with a gaming background instead of bigtech slop, 2) ship a product gamers actually want, 3) market it properly, in a way that gamers will respond, or 4) support it for more than a couple years.
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
He's right about the quality part, though - Amazon products are invariably trash. They tried high-end a decade+ ago, then experimented with those $50 throwaway tablets, saw they sold really well, and then raced straight to the bottom. It runs completely counter to a proper gaming device.
I buy Amazon products as gifts for other people all the time & would most definitely buy a mid-range media device for family members.
I bought my mom the 1st Kindle Fire & 1st Echo Show and they lasted forever even though she upgraded the original Echo Show is still going but Amazon ended support for the original Kindle Fire so it's useless now but it lasted like 12 years
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Honestly, the HDX from way back was great and - disaster though it was - I actually thought the Fire Phone was a great piece of hardware. It was just the software they bungled... and the fact that it felt like it was trying to sell you shit at every turn. Weird feeling for a phone. But great devices!
Haint
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Apple is actually the most likely to enter as they desperately need a sizable new market segment, their financials have been stagnant/shrinking for like 4 years now. They of course also already have all the engineering resources and chip designs needed to produce a leading console or hybrid.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
No.
I think they need to take some time away from the industry and revaluate what they want to do here. Gamers still need meaningful experiences and they must be able to really, really innovate or offer great value to consumers for us to care. If a company as massive as MS is exiting this market, that shows this isn't really a thing you can just throw money at and it magically work, you really, really need solid, creative support with your teams for consumers to want to invest.
As we saw from XB, it can take GENERATIONS for consumers to trust you again.
XB wasn't a horrid launch and they learned so much by the time 360 rolled around
360 - streamlined online, smaller controller that fit and a affordable price. (CONS) that price game at the cost of DVD that made the miss out on many exclusives, that rush to the market caused RRoD and those timed exclusives didn't build trust, they destroyed it. Imaging buying a XB for Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Bioshock, Lost Planet etc and seeing year after year you where tricked.... its going to make you feel like you bought that shit for nothing. Which means by the time all that is on all systems, that consumer will feel their money is better off on PS to have all that and then some vs staying on XB for life.
XONE - Adds Bluray to correct that DVD issue, affordable...always ONLINE LAUNCH lol
Series X / S had Bluray, no launch with any type of always ONLINE type thing, but the damage has been done, fans expect timed exclusives, they expect shady tricks annnnd now its a bit too late.
So Amazon should look at how MS took a lot of this. Take the fucking time away, learn from those mistakes and expect it to take generations to earn that trust back from consumers. By the time MS got that, it was just way too late.
I think they need to take some time away from the industry and revaluate what they want to do here. Gamers still need meaningful experiences and they must be able to really, really innovate or offer great value to consumers for us to care. If a company as massive as MS is exiting this market, that shows this isn't really a thing you can just throw money at and it magically work, you really, really need solid, creative support with your teams for consumers to want to invest.
As we saw from XB, it can take GENERATIONS for consumers to trust you again.
XB wasn't a horrid launch and they learned so much by the time 360 rolled around
360 - streamlined online, smaller controller that fit and a affordable price. (CONS) that price game at the cost of DVD that made the miss out on many exclusives, that rush to the market caused RRoD and those timed exclusives didn't build trust, they destroyed it. Imaging buying a XB for Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Bioshock, Lost Planet etc and seeing year after year you where tricked.... its going to make you feel like you bought that shit for nothing. Which means by the time all that is on all systems, that consumer will feel their money is better off on PS to have all that and then some vs staying on XB for life.
XONE - Adds Bluray to correct that DVD issue, affordable...always ONLINE LAUNCH lol
Series X / S had Bluray, no launch with any type of always ONLINE type thing, but the damage has been done, fans expect timed exclusives, they expect shady tricks annnnd now its a bit too late.
So Amazon should look at how MS took a lot of this. Take the fucking time away, learn from those mistakes and expect it to take generations to earn that trust back from consumers. By the time MS got that, it was just way too late.
I know this and the Google TV Streamer are ok gaming devices but they are low end I'm talking about something well above the tablets & phones that the kids are used to playing on.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's a crazy take lol
Also I think Amazon is more likely to rear their heads again when cloud streaming is more viable
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Doubtful. Their investment in the product has slowly but surely fallen off a series of cliffs almost every year and what's left of it is basically just an aggregator for 1) other subscriptions to shill their offerings and 2) some hackneyed solution to play some GOG games. I would be surprised if they aren't in talks with Game Pass to bring the service over, at which point they'll probably call it a day as far as innovation goes.
Yekshemesh
Member
I can't even imagine all the intrusive data collecting that device will do...
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
Fire sticks are very popular and they sold tons of Alexa products. Kindle is a total hit.
The phone flopped big time though I'd agree but it was decent hardware.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Oh yeah, Luna is dead. But Amazon still has the infrastructure to do it properly if they get their asses out of their heads. Same with Google.
Having said that, it does seem unlikely.
Rhazer Fusion
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I don't think we need anymore devices honestly especially in the portable space. It's already getting overcrowded and if this Amazon device doesn't have any noteworthy exclusives or features, then I feel it's pointless because what will it really offer that you can't get elsewhere?
ReasonBeing
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I don't think they would buy it just because it's an Alexa device. Just anecdotal observations, but I don't know anyone that thinks very highly of their Amazon gadgets. I have a rather large family with many in your suggested demographics.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
This.
That market will continue to shrink and be owned by mobile phones. The fact that Nintendo even needed to focus all of the energy on 1 device to maintain the market goes to show, its no longer a market you can just have as an "option" a serious focus MUST BE on that market to gain any traction.
So I think there isn't room for a 3rd player.
I think its going to mobile phones, Nintendo portables and the random Steam Deck type portables. Even being a massive Sony fan, even I doubt they can gain much market share, as those days are over of portables being this "wow" type thing, people fucking have phones for soooooo much of the things PSP did well, like music, RSS feeds, browsing, video. Those days are done.
Which means to enter that market, you need some wildly innovative shit (brain implants lols) or no one cares.
Being the most powerful btw is boring. Those that care about that power, likely don't give a shit about playing Crysis 5 at a bus stop, they want it on the big screen on some 6090 type shit lol So you have to be innovative, great design, solid support so folks know you are here to stay and offer something unique and different to offer.
Phones do so much for the vast majority, I don't see those earlier 2000s ever returning. That is no longer some "wow" factor for consumers. You have to really come with some A game shit to survive that market if Nintendo has to go all in and Sony won't even throw their hat in the ring.
So I don't honestly know if we have enough in that market to have some number 3 getting 88 million or something like that, I think it really will be Mobile phones vs Nintendo for the majority of that.
awwr999999
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IOW, when unlimited, on-demand free energy is readily available. At that point the big issue will be the unavoidable added latency.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Their Echo Show devices are pretty good for the price. I have a few of the middle version (8" screen) as it's inexpensive and useful for lower end music playback, timer, calendar and so on.
That said, Amazon is a failure from creative side of things so it would not be a good idea for them to go for gaming.
Edit: I do think they could go with a more Premium Echo Show device with enhanced sound quality and more processing power for AI and so on.
A mid $200-300 one like that could do ok. And with Apple coming out with their new Hub version with a screen this fall (reportedly), Amazon may do that. It just won't be for gaming.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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You really want to let this man into your hobby?
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Good luck. People will really be able to see how much MS gets right when you compare it to anyone foolish enough to attempt to enter the gaming space right now.
Angry_Megalodon
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No. Fuck off.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I know you are just farming for future quotes in the hopes Amazon does indeed make something in the future but fuck no, this is a dumb idea
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Everything is impossible until it is done the first time. I know they already failed making games a while back, but if J Allard can make something happen, it is not impossible.
With hindsight, Sony was clearly going to make a great gaming console. But I haven't found anyone back then who would say PlayStation had better odds than the Atari Jaguar. I mean, it is ATARI. How could Atari lose? Thus. Past performance or failure does not imply future performance or failure.
Miyazaki’s Slave
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The ear buds that came with the fire phone were amazing.
They sound great AND they have little magnets on the back of them that let the ear buds clip together around your neck.
Their early tablets (HDX line) were also extremely powerful and had a great price point...then the bottom fell out of the android tablet market and everyone just started making bare bones hardware as cheaply as they could. Leaving Samsung as the premiere android tablet provider and Lenovo as the mid tier option. One plus has been putting out some great products as well and this years tablet is great!
(ahhh...will stop derailing now)
S0ULZB0URNE
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Buying Xbox and Sega makes the most sense.
You don't need exclusives when you have the biggest games & QoL features.
an Amazon media/gaming device would mostly sell it's self but it would also be easy to market to the casuals. "Alexa Start Just Dance"
"Alexa check in on my Sims "
Knucklepux
Member
I say go for it
Amazon should and Steam definitely should get a console out
Let's get competition back
Amazon should and Steam definitely should get a console out
Let's get competition back
Yes you do need them. Otherwise Xbox Series would be dominating, since it also has those same games and according to many has the best "QoL features".
This kind of thinking is what sunk Xbox and newcomers like Stadia, and why Amazon's gaming efforts never took off. These companies approach gaming as if they are just launching "tech products" like a phone or a streaming device. They don't realize gaming is fundamentally an entertainment business like film or music. Content is king.
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You're clearly lost this device would still be a media device like the Fire Stick but a high-end model with a focus on gaming it wouldn't need excessive to sell the biggest draw would be the device itself but the user-base of kids who game on tablets & phones would have a device that can play these games a lot better & the ones who use Luna will have a device to play there games locally.
