Slings and Arrows
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Come on buddy. Gaming has never been such a cheap, money-addicted whore as it is now. Might as well grab some dirt-cheap gaming while the industry disappears up its own arse
Should MS really hang their hat on Game Pass and Xcloud?
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
You mean like 95 percent of every gaming store already? Go open all the stores and tell me how many of those games you actually want to play.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Do you have proof of either of these statements? Microsoft - the one with the warchest according to microsoft 'fans' - could take a hit on handhelds in order to get gamepass in to the hands of more people.
I tell you what, fuck it, let us go nuts. VR headset, fully portable, with the ability to stream games via xcloud, from the XSX to anywhere with wifi/5g. BOOM Microsoft back in the game
synchronicity
Member
Tons of them. I have 1700+ games on my steam wishlist in addition to thousands of digital games across various platforms.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
So you own 15 percent of the store. So I'll change my number to 85 percent, even though you are already the exception which I think is fair to say.
That's still over 25,000 games on that store you have zero interest in.
synchronicity
Member
I don't know what percentage of the store I own, and sure there is tons of garbage out there. I'm not disagreeing with that point. But there's so much great stuff that isn't AAA and/or is virtually unknown out there in my experience anyway. But I do have very broad tastes, in fairness.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
People didn't but the Vita at $249. People didn't buy the Shield Tablet at $299 and $399. You aren't making a high end probable machine for under $600.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
My point is that game pass doesn't cheapen gaming in any capacity. If anything it encourages people to broaden out with a curation of games that they might not have been able to discover due to the vastness of these stores.
synchronicity
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I don't dislike gamepass, fwiw. It's just not my preferred method of engaging with gaming. I think it *is* an incredible value, for sure. I just like to "own" my games, being free to pick them up whenever I'm in the mood without being beholden to the whims of the store/service owner. I don't like my library to "come and go". That's the only issue I have with this type of service.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'm not trying to say your method of purchase is bad but you agreed that it makes games disposable. Which just isn't fair in any capacity.
If GP didn't offer you to purchase games and was the only way to access games we would be having a different dicussion but I honestly so not see any way that GP cheapens or somehow diminishes quality of games in any way.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I believe that 30% of the titles I play, I got on Gamepass. It is an excellent service, and it will take over the future. Gamepass is the best achievement of the Xbox division since Phill took charge.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
The vita had expensive as fuck SD's cards, which killed it out the gate. But that is an immensely powerful handheld. The shield tablet made no sense. The market has changed, as it always does.
There isn't a DS, 3DS, 2DS, Gameboy, Vita, PSP etc anymore. There's a switch and that's it.
If Microsoft don't get in on the handheld game, Sony will, if they don't Google will. Nintendo cannot be allowed to have the whole market to themselves. From a business point of view, it's fucking mental
synchronicity
Member
Fair enough. I guess the sense of "ownership", even if it's just in digital form imparts a different sensation for me. That's probably as succinct as I'm able to be.
Nothing wrong with game pass though. For those who like it and use it, it's an undeniable value.
The difference is that ps5 will have exclusives that don't have to scale with anything. Its weird, we have xbox fanboys trying their best to explain why the stuff that Sony showed could easily been running on ps4. Yet, they expect to be blown away by upscaled Xbox One games next week.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The switch strategy is built on the success of the IP and history along with price. But also this was after their handheld only divisions saw dramatically lower numbers. The switch is the device to brdige that gap. The market showed they don't want to keep carrying multiple devices around.
Sony tried it, failed. No way they are trying again. Google has no IP worth a damn and they already support mobile with stadia.
Xcloud will be their only play into the mobile market. Anything else is suicide.
lastmessiah
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Game Pass is giving Sony nightmares.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Man I cant believe how shitty this game looks thats on PC and Xbox. If only it wasn't being held back.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Fair post with a solid argument. My counter-point would be:
If Microsoft get back to their best, they should keep the positive momentum by breaking in to the handheld market.
If Microsoft fuck up again this gen, they can win some favour with a handheld.
We can agree to disagree. I just really want a Microsoft handheld
One hour a week of a tv program keeps you busy? Lol bullshit
Wizz-Art
Member
Silent is silent. Why on earth would you have different reasons? The thing is just silent. Fact!
FunkMiller
Banned
It isn't.... yet.
Right now it's a great way to play a huge selection of older games for a very reasonable price. Sony can quite understandably claim they can match this with PS Plus and Now.
But if Microsoft take on a more Netflix like strategy... by releasing brand new third party games onto GamesPass immediately... that could be a game changer.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Can't tell if this a joke post or not.
lastmessiah
Member
Nah.
FunkMiller
Banned
Ugh... THIRD party. I'm having a bad day. I mean if they can get all huge titles on GamesPass, that'll be like Netflix. And Sony won't have an equivalent.
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tryDEATH
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What is so called "next-generation" that Xbox can't do due to scalability? The Series X is the more powerful console that can and will push graphics harder than the PS5, because the PS5 has an inferior GPU and CPU those are irrefutable facts, you can't spin that.
I genuinely believe you have a distorted vision of what next generation will be and are setting yourself up for disappointment, because no matter what game gets made for next generation, it will always end up running and looking better with newer and more powerful hardware on the PC. There is no magic sauce that will somehow make PS5 games look so next generation that neither the Series X or PC can't match, that is just wishful thinking.
Salty Popsicle
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It's funny how there are people here claiming GamePass cheapens the hobby by taking away ownership of games from the consumer, yet Sony is the one that is offering a disc-less next-gen console this Holiday where the only way to buy games is through their online store. Hypocrisy much?
SportsFan581
Member
Battery life would probably become the meme of the day. There's a reason the switch has the performance profile that it does.
Tulipanzo
Member
Not sure what you're disagreeing on here.
You don't "keep busy", but if something is released over 12 weeks, your audience for that is going to keep subscribed for that long.
Games haven't quite be distributed that way successfully (see Hitman), but online games use the same principle to maintain engagement.
SportsFan581
Member
I'm assuming that the Xone in that joke is used as a doorstop somewhere, no games and all that...
Tulipanzo
Member
*not on XBox
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Its coming to xbox. Try again.
SportsFan581
Member
Doesn't matter. It will be on Xbox and as such is automatically "anchored" to it. The PC version can't look better than the X1 version for reasons.
Wizz-Art
Member
That's a very uninformed joke then, I had over 650 games installed on my Xbox One X yesterday when I removed some games to make space on the HD's, still have 600+ installed so no games is ....well stupid.
Tulipanzo
Member
I'm still annoyed it's TBC. It's one of the major XBox releases of the year, and a game I personally was looking forward to, and it's not coming to XBox for who knows how long!
I'm fine with stuff being on PC, but it sure should be on XBox too.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I understand the pain but the argument was in response to someone who said games will simply be uprezzed Xbox One Games. And I would suspect it'll be a launch window game for series X.
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The difference is one is consumed for one hour per week and the other isnt.
Tulipanzo
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I'm sorry, but your comparison only shows providing gaming content is more costly.
If a show of 12 one hour episodes can be distributed over 12 weeks, a game of similar length might last as little as a few days to some players.
Jack Peterson
Banned
I doubt MS expects Xcloud to be a major success right away. They're laying the groundwork for a streaming-centric future 5 years from now.
Tulipanzo
Member
Well, I like Flight Simulator, played it a lot in the early 2000s. Not exactly an intense game to run, even with updated photometry and more realistic physics. It doesn't even have damage models (and neither should it!). Definitely something the X1 can handle.
I think the point is more to games that are more computationally intensive, and especially the strain on development teams forced to work across a massive generational chasm.
Some games maybe but not most
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The ideal specs say otherwise.
No one is arguing that more optimization isn't needed but this notion that games will be held back is tired and unfound.
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Tulipanzo
Member
Yeah, as I said, online games can take on a similar distribution model, but games are still
1) More expensive to develop
2) Selling at a higher price
3) Can often last significantly shorter, accounting for lower subscriber retention
From a business standpoint, going for a Netflix model is massively costly and seldom profitable (Netflix is currently 14 billion dollars in debt and they're the clear market leaders). The point is MS may need to increase GP monetization soon.
Tulipanzo
Member
Yeah, you cut out the minimum requirement which aren't at all impressive (the CPU is 50 bucks!)...The ideal specs say otherwise.
No one is arguing that more optimization isn't needed but this notion that games will be held back is tired and unfound.
Weird way to make your argument, as obviously ideal specs are for the best experience.
The point is Flight Simulator has never been that intense of an experience, and to paint it as "next-gen" rings fairly sad, and I say this as long-time fan
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
This is impossible to predict until we know how much they are spending and what ROE they expect. They could already be fine with a high operating margin.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I didnt "cut out" the minimum for any reason. In fact, it would have helped my argument if anything but the screen shows my point. The specs show that the game has been scaled to all types of hardware.
And saying flight simulator has never been an intense experience is flat out false. It has always been a game that was built to take advantage of low end and high end hardware.
Flight Simulator X for example ran all the way from a Pentium 3 with with 32 Meg of video ram to Pentium 4 with a 256 meg 6800. Which the highest card at the time was the new 7900's (and x2/sli set ups) which had released that same year.
Here are the Microsoft Flight Simulator X System Requirements (Minimum)
- CPU: Pentium III/Athlon or better
- CPU SPEED: 1 GHz
- RAM: 256 MB for Windows XP, 512 MB for Windows Vista
- OS: Windows XP
- VIDEO CARD: 32 MB 100% DirectX 9.0c video card with Pixel Shader 2.0
- TOTAL VIDEO RAM: 32 MB
- 3D: Yes
- PIXEL SHADER: 2.0
- DIRECTX VERSION: 9.0c
- SOUND CARD: Yes
- FREE DISK SPACE: 14 GB
- DVD-ROM: Yes
- CPU: Pentium 4/Athlon XP or better
- CPU SPEED: 2.4 GHz
- RAM: 512 MB
- OS: Windows XP
- VIDEO CARD: 256 MB 100% DirectX 9.0c video card (NVIDIA GeForce 6800 or better)
- TOTAL VIDEO RAM: 256 MB
- 3D: Yes
- HARDWARE T&L: Yes
- PIXEL SHADER: 2.0
- VERTEX SHADER: 2.0
- DIRECTX VERSION: 9.0c
- SOUND CARD: Yes
- FREE DISK SPACE: 14 GB
- DVD-ROM: Yes
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DeltaPolarBear
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For Xbox customers... Have you ever tried playing PC games when your hardware just meets the minimum specs?
I have. Rest assured, I never want to experience it ever again. And anyone who claim games are infinitely scalable because PC are lying or never placed PC games.
To be honest, until recently I was indifferent to console wars as I skipped this console gen entirely. But recently Xbox had gone full misinformation in terms of using PC gaming as their way to deceive, knowing full well that their own customers have no idea about computers and would believe anything. As someone who game on PC, I took it as a personal insult. You go and spread your lies all you want, but leave PC gamers out of this. And yet for multiple months now new threads pop up saying "Because PC does this (impossible and non-existent thing), Xbox can do this too!"
Enough already. Cut it out. If you want to lie to yourselves then do it, but leave PC gaming out of your lies.
I have. Rest assured, I never want to experience it ever again. And anyone who claim games are infinitely scalable because PC are lying or never placed PC games.
To be honest, until recently I was indifferent to console wars as I skipped this console gen entirely. But recently Xbox had gone full misinformation in terms of using PC gaming as their way to deceive, knowing full well that their own customers have no idea about computers and would believe anything. As someone who game on PC, I took it as a personal insult. You go and spread your lies all you want, but leave PC gamers out of this. And yet for multiple months now new threads pop up saying "Because PC does this (impossible and non-existent thing), Xbox can do this too!"
Enough already. Cut it out. If you want to lie to yourselves then do it, but leave PC gaming out of your lies.
