Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Color banding is my biggest problem with current HDTVs, and it's obvious on both BD and HDDVD, even the best encoded movies. It's good to see the problem will be going the way of dodo.Shogmaster said:
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Sick of 1080p??? Then you'll LOVE 1440p! (HDMI 1.3 and teh 4D-station inside)
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Shogmaster
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Marconelly said:
That's not because of the hardware, but the media. Unless you foresee a way to shove 2 hours of uncompressed video into HD-DVD or BR, banding will stay I think.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I used to think that, but I'm not so sure anymore what it is. Almost every HD and DVD movie footage I've seen has that problem, no matter how high quality compressed it is. It might be a transfer problem too, I'm not sure.Shogmaster said:
Shogmaster
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Marconelly said:
Unless you have one of those 18bit color panel direct view LCD, your HDTV should be able to display 24bit color. Since DVDs and HD-DVD movies are highly compressed, they are still susceptible to banding.
If you connected your PC to your HDTV and still saw banding on images you knew to be 24bit color without banding, then I might worry.
brandonh83
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Hopefully this means 720/1080i sets will start massively dropping in price soon. I don't really care about 1080p or on up until I get out of college and move into my own house. Which may be about 10 more years. :lol
Shogmaster
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Dot50Cal said:
If your set/monitor does "32bit" color, then 8 of them are for alpha. Thus you still only have 16.7 million colors.
GhaleonEB said:
That will never happen because television manufacturers have now adopted the PC model of doing business.
They realized that people buying a TV and keeping it for 10 years just isn't all that great on their bottom line so they will continue to try and make the TV you just purchased obselete as fast as possible so that you will get in the cycle of purchasing a new TV every 3-5 years.
Shogmaster
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Dice said:
That makes much more sense.
charlequin
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bill0527 said:
I don't even watch TV. I'm sitting out television buying forever. :-(
sorryaboutdresden
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charlequin said:
**** that, 1440p football FTW!
BoboBrazil
Member
Deep color is the only thing I care about in HDMI 1.3, but I'm not sure if it is worth waiting for until next year. Mitsubishi is offering me 50% off all of their 2007 1080p models right now so I was thinking of getting the wd57831...
HomerSimpson-Man
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Eh, considering the sizes of tvs needed for 1080p to show through and that the HD media provided is 1080p max with the still new Blu-ray/HD-DVD devices....nice achievement but really nothing to worry over to the point of "This is why I can never buy a HDtv!!"
Technology will always advance, but you got to be realistic to what is being conformed to mainstream to have to worry about such things as a consumer.
Technology will always advance, but you got to be realistic to what is being conformed to mainstream to have to worry about such things as a consumer.
Christoff Yurievich
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damn skippy. every time I think I'm close to laying the monies down, something like this happens.Grayman said:
Unlimited4s
Member
1440 / 3 = 480
1440 / 2 = 720
Better scaling ftw! (or am I thinking wrong?)
1440 / 2 = 720
Better scaling ftw! (or am I thinking wrong?)
bune duggy said:
HDMI 1.3 1080p will be the standard for a LONG time.
Something like 1440p will only be used for PC and other specialty uses. Don't worry about it.
Instead, we'll see smaller refinements over the next few years ... stuff like TV's that will take advantage of deep color ... TVs that offer multiple refresh rates - something like 50/60/72 or 100/120, so you can support not only NTSC/ATSC and PAL but also judder free movie playback ... improve black level ... improve contrast ratios ... etc.
future_pinoy
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and that my friend is why Nintendo made a good decision not to include a HDTV, 1080p became obsolete, even before it will become standard.
HomerSimpson-Man
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future_pinoy said:
Riiiight....
future_pinoy said:
:lol
One ... it is simply not true that 1080p will become obsolete for a LONG time. Simply look at how long NTSC was around.
Two ... what the hell kind of logic is that :lol Because you're scared something may eventually become obsolete, one should instead go with something that already is completely obsolete.
Mistwalker
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Does this mean there are Sony Bravia models on the market right now that support the new color standard?Kleegamefan said:
I'm more than fine with 1080p if the TV can just do Deep Color...if these babies are out now, anyone know which models?
plagiarize
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1080p sets haven't made 720p sets obsolete. 1440p won't make 1080p sets obsolete.
people are just going to have to start thinking about resolution, size and viewing distance a bit more when buying a set.
people are just going to have to start thinking about resolution, size and viewing distance a bit more when buying a set.
Why are screens with native 1080-line resolution not coming down in price? I remember people were saying "oh they'll get cheaper as more of them come out" but (over here at least) they've been the same price for the last 6 months. The cheapest one I can find is the Acer AT3705-MGW but that's still in the £1300 ($2500) range, and there are only about 4 others all of which are more money.
DemonCleaner
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do i need hdmi 1.3 to run ps3 in 60fps at 1080p ?
sorry for offtopic
sorry for offtopic
Mistwalker said:
That's the thing ... just because a TV uses HDMI 1.3, doesn't mean the TV itself supports all features.
I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure the video processor nor the display itself supports deep color.
If it did, it would be promoted pretty heavily.
mckmas8808
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Danj said:
I went to Best Buy yesterday and seen plenty of 1080p TVs there. You can get one for under $2000 now.
DemonCleaner said:do i need hdmi 1.3 to run ps3 in 60fps at 1080p ?
sorry for offtopic
No ... in theory, HDMI has supported it since 1.1 (at least). The problem is, manufacturers do not always follow the spec in its entiretly.
If a TV states that it will accept a 1080p signal via HDMI, I'm pretty sure you are all good. I'm pretty sure that all sets that accept it, accept at all framerates. I don't think there are any that (for instance) accept 1080p/30 ... but not 1080p/60.
BobTheFork
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oh crist I just planned on getting my First HDTV.... FINALLY, and this shit happen. No matter how much you spend you will always be a lowend NOOB arrr
Danj said:
I'd have to go searching to find a lot of info on this ...
... but avsforum should have a lot of good stuff. Unfortunately, they shy away from discussing anything but MSRP - though people were certainly mention stores and sites that they good a good price at
Off the top of my head .... For under $2000, Westinghouse has some popular 1080p LCD sets.
McBacon said:
They already have (it's been discussed in this thread) created new colors - 'deep color' - as part of the HDMI 1.3 spec.
Expect support for deep color to be a marketing point on 1080p displays in the coming years.
Currently, there are some RPTVs that use LED light to fully support the current color gamut (most TV's only support part of the current color spectrum). Expect LED and lasers to be used on the future RPTVs that do dep color.
Onix said:
See, this is what I have a problem with - there's all this hype about how 1080p is the best thing since sliced bread, but the only actual information about actual sets you can actually buy is spread thither and hence across the internets and consists of cryptic forum posts and half-remembered rumours. Someone needs to actually find all this information and create a centralised list somewhere with manufacturers and model numbers.
Onix said:Unfortunately, they shy away from discussing anything but MSRP - though people were certainly mention stores and sites that they good a good price at
I can find out the price and any other details myself if I can just get the make and model numbers.
Onix said:
Unless Westinghouse sets are sold under another name here, I don't think they are available in the UK.
Danj said:
At any number of A/V websites (avsforum included) you can find threads that are updated to include all 1080p displays.
I'm just saying they tend to only list MSRP - not 'street' pricing.
See above.
Not sure. I'm under the impression the UK has been getting pooped on as far as HD goes
I'll look up some links with 1080p TV listings and post them here later.
Onix said:Not sure. I'm under the impression the UK has been getting pooped on as far as HD goes
Not really; I think the situation is somewhat better over here actually, since we have a (reasonably) well-defined HD labelling standard called "HD Ready" which among other things mandates HDCP-compatible connections (either HDMI or DVI) and even component (which has previously been rare or unknown on UK televisions). However, you're right that takeup of HDTVs is at a much lower level here.
Onix said:
Thanks - that'd be extremely helpful
DemonCleaner
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Onix said:
thank you,
some time ago, ppl in here wrote hdmi hasn`t enough bandwidth to support 1080p at full 60fps, thats why i asked.
I'm pretty sure some of the new 30" LCD computer monitors use WXQGA resolution (or whatever it is), which is basically 1440p. So it's not really new.
But yeah, this won't be home theater. TVs are going to be 720p and 1080p (for the larger RP sets) for the forseeable future.
But yeah, this won't be home theater. TVs are going to be 720p and 1080p (for the larger RP sets) for the forseeable future.