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Sick of 1080p??? Then you'll LOVE 1440p! (HDMI 1.3 and teh 4D-station inside)

Raistlin

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Danj said:
Not really; I think the situation is somewhat better over here actually, since we have a (reasonably) well-defined HD labelling standard called "HD Ready" which among other things mandates HDCP-compatible connections (either HDMI or DVI) and even component (which has previously been rare or unknown on UK televisions). However, you're right that takeup of HDTVs is at a much lower level here.



Thanks - that'd be extremely helpful :)


Here you go for starters

Flat panel roundup : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=716067

I haven't found an obvious thread with a round up of RPTV's and FPTV's

There are several threads in the appropriate forums for individual TV's etc (search is your friend).



Note: Most of these are US models ... so they may differ from the Euro ones. I know that is certainly true of receviers, CD players, DVD players, etc. Not sure how often that is done with TV's though.
 

Danj

Member
Onix said:

Great! That's exactly the sort of list I was looking for.

Onix said:
Note: Most of these are US models ... so they may differ from the Euro ones.

Yeah, I quickly discovered that none of the models listed there seem to be available in Europe. However, it did give me a place to start and I was able to identify some similar ones that are on sale here:

Sony KDL-46X2000 £3,009.98 ($5,666.77)
Sony KDL-40X2000 £2,347.00 ($4,418.60)
Samsung LE46F71B £2,700.00 ($5,083.18)
Samsung LE40F71B £1,904.90 ($3,586.28)
Sharp LC46XD1E £2,599.99 ($4,894.90)
Sharp LC52XD1E £3,299.99 ($6,212.76)
Sharp LC65GD1E £10,996.99 ($20,703.59)
Toshiba 42WLT66 £1,353.99 ($2,549.10)
Toshiba 47WLT66 £1,969.00 ($3,706.96)
Acer AT3705-MGW £1,244.26 ($2,342.52)

None of them are less than $2,000 though, as you can see.
 

Danj

Member
HocusPocus said:
This is why I haven't jumped on a nice TV yet. It's changing way to much in to short a time span. :)

Well, I imagine that a good strategy would be to wait until the next lot of new models come out, and then buy the current ones which should have been cut in price in order to make way for the newer ones. However, it doesn't really seem like this has happened with the 1080p sets; there are more of them out, but instead of the old models going down in price, they simply introduced the new models at a higher price.
 

Fantasmo

Member
I hate that 1080p is going to be the standard. The resolution is too high to use the HDTV as a PC monitor unless you have a 60"+ screen or something.

Going double 720p makes me sick.

Luckily I have a couple years.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
HocusPocus said:
This is why I haven't jumped on a nice TV yet. It's changing way to much in to short a time span. :)


720p is good enough. What about this don't you understand.

And Danj Klee can show you a few 1080p TVs between $1500 and $2500. You are just not looking hard enough.
 
Onix said:
:lol

One ... it is simply not true that 1080p will become obsolete for a LONG time. Simply look at how long NTSC was around.

Two ... what the hell kind of logic is that :lol Because you're scared something may eventually become obsolete, one should instead go with something that already is completely obsolete. :D

1) It took years for something superior to NTSC to come around, and 2) it could have actually happened a bit sooner if they weren't so afraid HD would render advances in standard NTSC TV set technologies circa the late 80s/early 90s prematurely obsolete.

If 1080p really is good enough, I hope no one complains if Nintendo only goes that far while Sony and/or MS go beyond that, assuming they do.
 
So do i need to buy a new HDMI cable to get this stuff to work? You know kind of like USB and USB 2.0? Cause if i do i'm really looking forward to replacing the HDMI cable i just bought (it was only $15 and i figured i'd need one sooner or later) when i ordered some component cables for my new TV. Stupid me for planning ahead and forgetting how often "Industry Standards" change.
 

Danj

Member
mckmas8808 said:
And Danj Klee can show you a few 1080p TVs between $1500 and $2500. You are just not looking hard enough.

The companies that produce the cheaper sets (like Westinghouse, Sceptre etc.) in the list that was linked on here, do not sell their products in Europe. I went to the UK homepages of all the other listed manufacturers and found out which European models have the native 1920x1080 resolution. Having done that, I then searched through the following price comparison engines to find the cheapest possible price:

http://uk.pricerunner.com
http://uk.pricegrabber.com
http://www.dealtime.co.uk
http://uk.kelkoo.com
http://www.priceguideuk.com
http://froogle.google.co.uk

If there exists any 1080p TVs over here in the price range you suggest, then they must be by a manufacturer who sells their products in Europe but not in the US - which sounds a very unlikely situation. Instead of telling me "I'm not looking hard enough" perhaps you would be so kind as to suggest where I ought to be looking.
 

Raistlin

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Danj said:
None of them are less than $2,000 though, as you can see.

Remember before when I stated that I thought the UK was a dickover for HD?

I was referring to TV prices and selection.
 

koam

Member
michael000 said:
So do i need to buy a new HDMI cable to get this stuff to work? You know kind of like USB and USB 2.0? Cause if i do i'm really looking forward to replacing the HDMI cable i just bought (it was only $15 and i figured i'd need one sooner or later) when i ordered some component cables for my new TV. Stupid me for planning ahead and forgetting how often "Industry Standards" change.

More like you'll need a new TV to get this stuff to work. Sorry.
 

Raistlin

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cartman414 said:
1) It took years for something superior to NTSC to come around, and 2) it could have actually happened a bit sooner if they weren't so afraid HD would render advances in standard NTSC TV set technologies circa the late 80s/early 90s prematurely obsolete.

If 1080p really is good enough, I hope no one complains if Nintendo only goes that far while Sony and/or MS go beyond that, assuming they do.

Wow ... 99% of that makes absolutely no sense to me.

Please detail what you are stating here.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
michael000 said:
So do i need to buy a new HDMI cable to get this stuff to work? You know kind of like USB and USB 2.0? Cause if i do i'm really looking forward to replacing the HDMI cable i just bought (it was only $15 and i figured i'd need one sooner or later) when i ordered some component cables for my new TV. Stupid me for planning ahead and forgetting how often "Industry Standards" change.

0_o Huh?
 

Danj

Member
Onix said:
Remember before when I stated that I thought the UK was a dickover for HD?

I was referring to TV prices and selection.

Oh right. Well yeah, that's pretty much standard operating procedure over here, not just for TVs but for everything. They don't call it "Rip-Off Britain" for nothing you know! :lol
 
Onix said:
Wow ... 99% of that makes absolutely no sense to me.

Please detail what you are stating here.

What I meant was that assuming Nintendo's Wii followup console does up to 1080p, but Sony and/or MS do 1440p.
 

ChrisReid

Member
Phobophile said:
Yeah, in fact, it's going to be federally mandated.

Ugh, this horrible myth. The new rules pertain to digital broadcasts, which are not the same thing as high definition signals.
 
So buying a 720p set is a bad idea because I will have only half the resolution of the new format? WTF!? WTF!!??

This is why I haven't purchased an HDTV yet.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
cartman414 said:
What I meant was that assuming Nintendo's Wii followup console does up to 1080p, but Sony and/or MS do 1440p.

I'm 99% sure that will NOT happen ... though I'm not sure how this relates to the original post I was replying to.
 
Onix said:
I'm 99% sure that will NOT happen ... though I'm not sure how this relates to the original post I was replying to.

What I meant to say is that if it comes to MS and/or Sony supporting 1080p while Nintendo goes as far as 1080p, I'd hope there would be no complaints considering all of the posts here saying that 1080p is enough.
 

Chao

Member
Please stop making new standards, for god's sake.

I will feel bad when buying a 1080p TV because it will sucks hard on a month or two.
I don't even have a 720p, wtf?
 

Raistlin

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Chao said:
Please stop making new standards, for god's sake.

I will feel bad when buying a 1080p TV because it will sucks hard on a month or two.
I don't even have a 720p, wtf?

It's not a 'standard' for anything put PC usage.
 

aktham

Member
NOOOOOOOOO
I just bought a 1080p display....but it's ok :D because PS3, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray all have a max resolution of 1080p and the HD broadcasts are 720p/1080i anything higher is useless for regular consumers as there is not support for anything higher than 1080p.:)
 

manji

Member
aktham said:
NOOOOOOOOO
I just bought a 1080p display....but it's ok :D because PS3, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray all have a max resolution of 1080p and the HD broadcasts are 720p/1080i anything higher is useless for regular consumers as there is not support for anything higher than 1080p.:)

See the bolded underlined periods?
Attempt to disperse them properly throughout the rest of your post.
At that point, it will be taken seriously and the forum will begin to properly troll it.
Thank you for your support.
 

Kodiak

Not an asshole.
I wonder how many years it will be before these are widely available and affordable. I mean the 1080p's are just now starting to become realistic. Kinda.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Kodiak said:
I wonder how many years it will be before these are widely available and affordable. I mean the 1080p's are just now starting to become realistic. Kinda.

It will be a long time since there is not going to be demand from the general populace. What is the point of have a 1440p TV if there is no content for it?



This will mainly be for professional usage; presentations, image & video editing, rendering, military, medical, and satellite imaging, etc.
 

Kodiak

Not an asshole.
Onix said:
It will be a long time since there is not going to be demand from the general populace. What is the point of have a 1440p TV if there is no content for it?



This will mainly be for professional usage; presentations, image & video editing, rendering, military, medical, and satellite imaging, etc.


Hmm what about those new digital movie theaters? What resolution do they use?
 
I haven't read the replies, but what the shit is that deep colour bollocks!?

Who ever sees ****ing banding like the first picture?
 
This is what happened to Sony's push for 1080p...
bear2.gif

:lol
 
ferrarimanf355 said:
This is what happened to Sony's push for 1080p...
bear2.gif

:lol

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

fallofmart said:
I haven't read the replies, but what the shit is that deep colour bollocks!?

Who ever sees ****ing banding like the first picture?

I think they did 8-bit vs. 24-bit there for the sake of metaphor, though I could see how deceptive and heavy handed that could be.

Still though, there are colors that fall outside of the 24-bit Venn diagram that could be covered by 48-bit.
 
cartman414 said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol



I think they did 8-bit vs. 24-bit there for the sake of metaphor, though I could see how deceptive and heavy handed that could be.

Still though, there are colors that fall outside of the 24-bit Venn diagram that could be covered by 48-bit.
Just so you guys know, no bears were harmed in my last post. :D
 
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