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Slate Article - Why is Porn so Aesthetically Awful?

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Interesting Slate article. Examines whether the 4 'fathers' of modern porn are responsible for the overly tacky, ugly, misogynistic type of porn we have today.

Anyone who has gone looking for porn on the Internet—and statistically speaking, that would be all of you—has borne witness to one of the great mysteries of our time: its relentless awfulness. I am not referring to the understandable awfulness generated by low budgets, nonprofessional actors, and tight shooting schedules. No, the most baffling aspect of porn is why most of it seems to treat sex as an endurance test designed to measure how much discomfort and humiliation actresses can handle. Sure, there are porn producers who don’t embrace the Fear Factor model (wherein bug-eating is replaced with orifice-stuffing, name-calling, and semen to the eyeballs), but the fact that their work is inevitably designated as “alternative” shows just how badly mainstream porn runs women down.

Like the Auto-Tune in pop music, porn’s loathing for women inexplicably manages to resist the dual forces of strong criticism from people who hate it and weak demand from consumers, who generally swear up and down they’re just there for the sex and have no desire to hurt women. Mike Edison’s new history of porn magazines in the 20 century, Dirty! Dirty! Dirty!: Of Playboys, Pigs, and Penthouse Paupers—An American Tale of Sex and Wonder, provides some potential answers to this mystery, though it does so in spite of itself. Edison, who worked for one of these magazines, Screw, for a long time, doesn't deal honestly with porn’s misogynist streak and tries, unsuccessfully, to argue that most of the men who crafted modern porn as we know it did so with no ill will toward women. Edison traces the history of the Four Horsemen of Mainstream Porn—

Hugh Hefner of Playboy, Bob Guccione of Penthouse, Al Goldstein of Screw, and Larry Flynt of Hustler—discovering four very mixed-up men whose hang-ups about women and sexuality didn’t just shape their own magazines, but in so doing created the blueprint for standard American porn. Even as their magazines wither, contemporary, online porn continues in the tradition they established. And unfortunately, that tradition includes a strong, but not at all inevitable, dose of misogyny.

Edison never quite reaches this conclusion himself, however, except when it comes to Hugh Hefner, whom he singles out as an overt woman-hater, one whose intellectual pretensions are belied by the harem of interchangeable blondes he treats like pets. In Edison’s view, the other porn kings didn’t share Hefner’s demeaning attitudes toward women. The reasoning here isn’t entirely clear but seems to boil down to the fact that they chose instead to marry, repeatedly, and in some cases to women who took a strong hand in running their businesses. Unfortunately for Edison, his desire to liven up his history with the dirty details of how their careers went down undermines this theory, offering plenty of evidence that Guccione’s, Goldstein’s, and Flynt’s lives reflected a dysfunctional mishmash of unsavory attitudes toward women.

Edison launches a particularly lavish defense of Goldstein, whom he rightly admires for his eccentricity and courage against censors. He takes the hero worship too far, however, when he claims that anyone who has been around Goldstein knows “that he worships women.” Strangely, he can’t hold back from recounting how the supposed woman-worshipper decided to run stills from a film of Linda Lovelace having sex with a dog, something she did while under control of Chuck Traynor, “a low-down thug and abusive pimp.” Edison glosses over the legal troubles that resulted from Goldstein’s having harassed a former secretary with threatening and obscene phones calls and published her number in Screw. Edison also completely ignores Goldstein’s conviction for stalking his ex-wife. The book is replete with quotes from Goldstein being amusing or political but doesn’t include some of his less becoming remarks, such as when he told the Villager in 2004 that, “Women are despicable and vile and I prefer salami any day.”

Bob Guccione doesn’t come off much better, despite Edison’s best efforts. Caligula, Guccione’s notorious attempt to enter the film business, featured so many sex scenes degrading to actresses (including vaginal penetration with an eel), that filming was interrupted by a strike when 50 extras “claimed to have gotten their periods within five minutes of each other.” Guccione’s hand-picked director, Tinto Brass, reminded the women they had signed a contract agreeing “to any coupling with humans/and or animals at the director’s sole discretion. …” Guccione eventually fired Brass most of the way through filming, not for subjecting actresses to either painful devices (the less said about the barbed wire, the "tongue machine," or the giant, splintering wooden dildos, the better) or sex with animals, but because Brass had run over budget and also because Guccione felt that the actresses in some scenes needed to be sexier.

Edison paints a rawer version of Larry Flynt than Milos Forman did in his acclaimed biopic The People vs. Larry Flynt, but as in the movie, Flynt’s issues with women are framed as a mark of his delightful eccentricity, not as a major character flaw. And yet while Edison claims that Flynt is a pussycat when it comes to women, he demonstrates the opposite in recounting an episode in which Flynt decided to target not just Guccione but also Guccione’s girlfriend, Penthouse publisher Kathy Keeton, in the pages of Hustler. Guccione was accused of being an adulterer (true, according to Edison: He took up with Keeton while his second wife was pregnant with their fourth child). But Flynt saved his insinuations of dirty-whoredom for Keeton, running a cartoon implying she had the clap. When her libel lawsuit against Flynt reached the Supreme Court, Flynt, in his usual colorful style, spewed invective at the justices, calling them “eight assholes and a token cunt.” A Flynt apologist could probably wiggle away from the sexism of the word cunt; harder to excuse was Flynt’s preposterous suggestion that Sandra Day O’Connor’s appointment was meritless, an empty gesture of political correctness. To Edison however, the whole episode was “a wonderful new low” for Flynt.

It is when it comes to Hefner, whom Edison characterizes as “bully,” that the book comes closest to reckoning with the extent to which these men injected their magazines—and modern porn more generally—with hostility to women. Edison’s distaste for Playboy’s heavily airbrushed, faux-sophisticated style of porn—he appreciates the magazine’s writing—seems to give him the freedom to assess Hefner honestly, and his conclusions aren’t flattering. Analyzing Hefner’s pre-Playboy youth, he suggests that Hefner’s feelings of sexual inadequacy and his sense of alienation from traditional masculinity were crippling, and that dominating women made him feel powerful. An hour of watching Hefner’s reality show should render this argument persuasive.

Despite his dislike of Hefner, Edison gives him credit for his courage against censors, the role he played in the sexual revolution, and his generally liberal approach to politics. It is a shame that Edison didn’t apply a similarly nuanced, analytical approach to his other three subjects, instead of merely writing off some of their uglier aspects as amusing eccentricities. If Hefner can be understood as both a sexual warrior with a vision and an unpleasant misogynist whose problems with women tainted his work, why not the other three? For all the book’s limitations, though, the stories recounted here still manage to shed light on why mainstream porn portrays women the way that it does. When these four men founded their magazines, pornography wasn’t a multibillion-dollar enterprise with corporate funding. It was a social stigmatized, semi-criminal industry, and it’s probably no accident that the men who entered it were broken people with serious sexual and emotional baggage.

It’s unfortunate that these men’s attitudes intertwined with their work until sexism became a standard feature of porn, one that outlived the feminist revolution. Just as file folder icons on computers will be around long after real life file folders disappear from offices, the demeaning portrayal of women these men brought to porn will outlive all of them. It’s not necessary to the experience, but without it, the user would now feel that something is off.

It’s interesting to consider what a porn industry started by an entirely different set of men, a set of men who loved women, might have looked like. Would different abbreviations now populate porn sites instead of such current favorites as DP (double penetration) and ATM (ass-to-mouth)? Would what we consider “alternative” porn now simply be the mainstream? Or would mainstream porn have evolved into something beyond what we can imagine? It’s hard to even contemplate how we would feel about porn if it weren’t so disparaging of women, if its “hardness” weren’t measured by the audacity of the tasks it required its actresses to endure, but rather by its sexiness.
 

Meadows

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who the fuck watches "pro" porn anymore? 99% of people go on streaming websites and watch amateur stuff.

I know because of statistics that I just made up.
 

Salazar

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t’s interesting to consider what a porn industry started by an entirely different set of men, a set of men who loved women, might have looked like.

It would probably have been markedly less arousing. Although I don't see much misogyny in amateur porn (distinct from the more brutish casting stuff), and that gets the job done.

The author might profitably have looked at porn created by women - in such places, quantities, and forms as it exists.
 

Zaptruder

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Because of these little things called seek bars.

Throw as much sexual variety into the video as you can, because the rest will be skipped.

1-2-3 hour long porno vids aren't designed for some marathon fap session. They're designed and split into multiple parts and acts that allow the masturbator to stay in total control.

I feel like a little stripping now... ok, enough of that, some pussy slapping. Yup, ok, BJ. nah, ok DP!

Once you're done, you don't stick around to see what Jenna says to John after the right rogering. You resume browsing the internet.
 
Worst trend in porn: High heels during the entire shoot, I like feet.

I know this has nothing to do with the article but I wanted to put that out there.

And yeah, professional porn put out by companies like Vivid are garbage, and that has little to do with the misogyny angle.
 

Gaborn

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airmangataosenai said:
Worst trend in porn: High heels during the entire shoot, I like feet.

I know this has nothing to do wth the article but I wanted to put that out there.

I did not know Rex Ryan is a GAFer.
 

Barrett2

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airmangataosenai said:
Worst trend in porn: High heels during the entire shoot, I like feet.

I know this has nothing to do with the article but I wanted to put that out there.

And yeah, professional porn put out by companies like Vivid are garbage, and that has little to do with the misogyny angle.

Agreed. I wish this article would have spent more time on the aesthetic angle than the misogyny angle, because I feel that's more interesting to discuss.

When browsing internet porn, I frequently look at a scene, how the women are dressed, their makeup, leathery tan skin, hideous tattoos, etc., and think, "Who likes this? Who is this for?"
 

Zaptruder

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Skimmed the article. Not the angle I would come in on, on the topic. Mostly rhetorical and little content of value.

The businesses cater to the market - the symbiosis there drives the current trends in porn. The extreme and excessive availability has desensitized us and make us crave for the next high - sexual escalation results in the intermingling of sexual themes like power, dominance, dehumanization and all that stuff.

The result is the female form taken to its physical sexual limits... and often beyond when accounting for the long term health of the people working in the industry.
 
lawblob said:
Agreed. I wish this article would have spent more time on the aesthetic angle than the misogyny angle, because I feel that's more interesting to discuss.

When browsing internet porn, I frequently look at a scene, how the women are dressed, their makeup, leathery tan skin, hideous tattoos, etc., and think, "Who likes this? Who is this for?"
It does seem that a lot of men like their women cheap and trashy looking.
 
I always just assumed the guys who are actually involved in making it are just obnoxious douchebags who actually think this is normal.


For that reason I find most "professional" pron to be completely unappealing.
 

Salazar

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Zaptruder said:
The businesses cater to the market.

Which is why one can pretty confidently speculate about the crash of the "porn by men who love and respect women and want to delicately embody those virtuous sentiments in film" industry. It's not a fascinating alternate history; it's a brief one.
 
The guy needs to shut the fuck up in porn.

SHUT UP AND STOP PANNING THE CAMERA ON HIM

STOP MAKING FACES

AND GRUNTING

Fuck sake,
 

richiek

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Gaborn said:
I did not know Rex Ryan is a GAFer.

Oh come on. Foot fetish is the most common sexual fetish out there. Speaking as a foot guy myself, I'm mystified at how it's considered "weird" on GAF.

lawblob said:
Agreed. I wish this article would have spent more time on the aesthetic angle than the misogyny angle, because I feel that's more interesting to discuss.

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You should see my face during an orgasm. That's aesthetically pleasing.
 
Zaptruder said:
1-2-3 hour long porno vids aren't designed for some marathon fap session. They're designed and split into multiple parts and acts that allow the masturbator to stay in total control.

I feel like a little stripping now... ok, enough of that, some pussy slapping. Yup, ok, BJ. nah, ok DP!

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Acheron

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From the title I was hoping it would explain why porn becomes woefully uninteresting and mildly disturbing after I've rubbed one off.
 

RDreamer

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lawblob said:
Agreed. I wish this article would have spent more time on the aesthetic angle than the misogyny angle, because I feel that's more interesting to discuss.

When browsing internet porn, I frequently look at a scene, how the women are dressed, their makeup, leathery tan skin, hideous tattoos, etc., and think, "Who likes this? Who is this for?"

I also wonder this. And half the time this stuff is in the top viewed sections on some of these sites. If I ever click some of that I just think the same thing you said. Who the hell likes some of this stuff. It's strange because even in conversations with friends that style and those traits never come up as good or desirable or anything. Those are exclusively bad things. If any of those women with the leathery skin and tattoos and fake boobs and way too much makeup were walking around in real life they'd get a universal "eww" from every single guy I know. So who the hell is watching these things!?
 
Zaptruder said:
Because of these little things called seek bars.

Throw as much sexual variety into the video as you can, because the rest will be skipped.

1-2-3 hour long porno vids aren't designed for some marathon fap session. They're designed and split into multiple parts and acts that allow the masturbator to stay in total control.

I feel like a little stripping now... ok, enough of that, some pussy slapping. Yup, ok, BJ. nah, ok DP!

Once you're done, you don't stick around to see what Jenna says to John after the right rogering. You resume browsing the internet.
Porn hasn't changed all that much in 30 or 40 years. People didn't have "seek bars" back then. A lot of the "plot" could be for building-up a proper "fantasy" for men with no imagination.


Porn is generally awful. But I suppose the fact that all the misogynistic bullshit is so successful could be traced to an inner resentment for women that many men have. Especially the type that are in the market for a lot of porn. So seeing women go through all that on screen gives them a sense of satisfaction, after all the (probably justified) rejection they go through.
 
Zaptruder said:
Skimmed the article. Not the angle I would come in on, on the topic. Mostly rhetorical and little content of value.

The businesses cater to the market - the symbiosis there drives the current trends in porn. The extreme and excessive availability has desensitized us and make us crave for the next high - sexual escalation results in the intermingling of sexual themes like power, dominance, dehumanization and all that stuff.

The result is the female form taken to its physical sexual limits... and often beyond when accounting for the long term health of the people working in the industry.


Don't think this is true necessarily. The professional and extreme stuff is awful.

I often go looking for something that was genuinely made by amateurs that know each other for longer than 5 minutes and are in some kind of relationship (preferably).

Still there's a kind of catch 22 in that no 'normal' couple would film themselves and post it online for everyone to see. But yeah, if it seems, at least, like genuine affection then I'm bound to enjoy it a whole lot more than anything else.



Acheron said:
From the title I was hoping it would explain why porn becomes woefully uninteresting and mildly disturbing after I've rubbed one off.


Probably because your head's back in control instead of your private parts.
 

Salazar

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Acheron said:
From the title I was hoping it would explain why porn becomes woefully uninteresting and mildly disturbing after I've rubbed one off.

An evolved deterrent to sitting in the cave jacking off all day.
 

SLV

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One thing i can say about the matter:
watch "Days without youth" if you can, the most sensual "porn" i have ever seen.
 
It’s interesting to consider what a porn industry started by an entirely different set of men, a set of men who loved women, might have looked like.
It would have looked exactly the same.

Porn feeds off the depravity of men. If these 4 men (who I find it specious to blame the ultimate direction of porn on solely, but I digress) had not existed, another 4 men would have taken their place.
 

Monocle

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The obvious solution is to make all porn gay porn. Then everyone can degrade one another equally.

I don't think porn is inherently degrading. It's just that degradation sells, so that's what tends to be offered.
 

dschalter

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DeaconKnowledge said:
It would have looked exactly the same.

Porn feeds off the depravity of men. If these 4 men (who I find it specious to blame the ultimate direction of porn on solely, but I digress) had not existed, another 4 men would have taken their place.

yeah, this was the problem for me. i found the underlying claim she makes that porn is "bad" fairly true, but attributing it to some famous purveyors of smut is nonsensical.
 

X26

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Seeing Rocco with his foot planted on a chicks head while he's drilling her really kills the mood
 
Rez said:
+1 for wholesome gay porn

That is interesting.

Why is gay porn more tame than straight porn?

Because there both men and thus rejection doesn't provoke whore/slut/they don't know what they want/I don't understand them response?
 

Timedog

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I take what I can find quickly searching for free, to some extent. I'm certainly not gonna pay, ever. I'm not saying I don't watch that kind of porn ever, but I'll say this:

The guys who are really, really into watching women be degraded heavily, the ones that get off on that, I highly doubt they are pleasing their women as much as they could be. Sex is best when it's a truly shared experience on all levels. It's best for both parties that way. And that doesn't mean it has to be intimate in any way other than a sexual way. One night stands are sweet. But whether it's with someone you love or someone you're just physically attracted to, it is, or it should be at least, about coming to a unique understanding of another person.
 
That's why I mostly watch the amateur stuff, just so much more enjoyable and now that the average person has started getting HD cams it's even better.
 
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