Slate: Here's Why Tipping Should Be Banned
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BertramCooper
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Just the tip?
I like tipping people who do non waiter jobs that don't expect a tip.
I hate socially being forced to tip 15% to someone who likely came to my table once to take my order, and a 2nd time to drop food off and then left me high and dry without any water the whole meal.
Also somehow in my lifetime the standard tip has crept up from 10, to 15, to 20% wtf? Why should my girlfriend who was a waitress making triple minimum wage.
I hate socially being forced to tip 15% to someone who likely came to my table once to take my order, and a 2nd time to drop food off and then left me high and dry without any water the whole meal.
Also somehow in my lifetime the standard tip has crept up from 10, to 15, to 20% wtf? Why should my girlfriend who was a waitress making triple minimum wage.
If tipping threads are to be believed it has crept up to 25% in certain locales....
Half and half
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Well gotta do something with this excess cash.
Vermillion
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Meh. I'm fine with tipping because it means if I'm broke I can just pay the regular price and leave. I understand that I am an asshole.
On the other hand, tipping isn't really necessary as a practice, so I say fuck it.
On the other hand, tipping isn't really necessary as a practice, so I say fuck it.
You have the tip of my axe.
shadowsdarknes
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As much as I don't care for the tipping system,
As a server I've been told I'm getting a bigger tip percentage for good service.
And for some restaurants, some servers can make 300+ bucks a night at a busy high end restaurant for 8-10 hours of work.
That's well over the 7-12 dollars an hour they would normally make. So I can imagine that a lot of people would be opposed to that.
As a server I've been told I'm getting a bigger tip percentage for good service.
And for some restaurants, some servers can make 300+ bucks a night at a busy high end restaurant for 8-10 hours of work.
That's well over the 7-12 dollars an hour they would normally make. So I can imagine that a lot of people would be opposed to that.
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The thing that really bothers me is the blame going to the customer for not tipping instead of the employer for not paying a proper wage
employees should get full wage and tips should be gratuity - a bit extra if you think the service was outstanding. like was originally intended.
The thing that really bothers me is the blame going to the customer for not tipping instead of the employer for not paying a proper wage
employees should get full wage and tips should be gratuity - a bit extra if you think the service was outstanding. like was originally intended.
Shit like this is why 99% of my eating out is at a sushi bar/local food trucks now. We can directly tip the chef's who have the skills and don't need any waiter.
I'd rather not participate in a broken tipping system than be coerced, or screw someone over/have shit in my food next time.
ComputerMKII
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TheClimaxan
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BOOM
On the other hand, if nobody cleaned the toilets and washed the glasses - how many customers would bother eating there again? No customers = no tips.
Yup basically every waiter I know would flip shit over a paid wage/tip optional system.
It bums me out that I know people who went from waiter to mechanic or waiter to chef and started to make LESS money.
Hire somebody else for at least minimum wage who won't be earning tips? Don't places like that have a janitor or something?
illmatic19
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"Why should I be a good tipper? You should be a good waiter and then I TIP you well"
I recently moved to an office sales job, I work 40 hours a week now, and make far less than I did in 25 hours a week of waiting tables.
I did so for benefits and long-term potential, but goddamn I picked up one 6 hour shift on the weekend a few weeks back and made nearly half of what I net from a week in the office.
Exactly my thoughts on the matter.
Yep. If you're going to fight the system you need to stop going to the restaurants that perpetuate it entirely. If you're not tipping but still going to restaurants you're just being a greedy ass.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Could not have said it better myself.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I heard that episode and it convinced me tipping is dumb. Not that I had a strong opinion either way. In any case, I'm going to continue to tip until there's a systemic change.
This is the worst thing about tipping. Causing the staff to hover over the tables like fucking vultures trying to provide "customer service." You know when I want waiters coming to my table? To take my order and then bring it to me. After that they should stay the fuck away until I call for them. "Would you like a refill?" "Would you like some water?" "How do you like your food?" Ugh, go away. I don't want you around because I don't know you. You don't want to be around but you're putting on a performance so can leave some scraps for you. It's annoying to me and demeaning to you.
Keru_Shiri
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Why not just abolish the tip wage? I usually tip, but I think tipping should be optional and a bonus pay for wait-staff, or delivery drivers.
EDIT: What J-rod said.
EDIT: What J-rod said.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I agree with some of this; I don't need the waiter to talk to me again after checking that the order was delivered correctly and the food is good (until check time, that is). I do want them to silently refill my water as often as they see it's empty, though.
This assumes that the food being good after 2 bites means the entire meal will be, and that you won't have any further needs along the way.
People are weird.
Half and half
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I appreciate good service and don't mind tipping. It doesn't matter to me what the person is paid by their employer. If their service is on point, they're getting a nice tip. Esp, specialty jobs like cave/tour guides and stuff.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If I have further needs I'll get the waiter's attention. I guess I could clarify that I don't feel as strongly as Xenist that I don't want the waiter's attention throughout the meal, but I usually don't need it other than water refills.
whatsinaname
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What about California and Washington where the serving staff are guaranteed higher wages unlike the other states?
obijkenobi
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Did those people you know factor in benefits like health insurance/time off/etc?
so restaurants pay shit wages, everyone knows restaurants pay shit wages, so we feel morally obligated to tip heavily so the poor waiting staff can make ends meet, but because everyone tips heavily you make $25+ an hour?
then its definitely broken.
How about you force restaurants to pay fairly - yes shock horror the prices will go up. And then if you serve well you'll get a tip too? how do you know you wouldn't end up still making $25+ an hour if you're good at your job?
Aesius
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Don't servers there make $8/hr? That combined with tips means serving is easily a 30-40k a year job in those states.
Which is why tipping can't be banned. Until this very basic problem is fixed none of the other shit matters. It's barely worth discussing.
It's all fucked when you think about it. To do away with tipping you with have to:
1. Raise the prices of your food which will cause the consumer to bitch
2. Raise wages but hire less people which will lead to shit service and pissed off workers in which case everyone will bitch
3. Raise wages, cut hours which will lead to shit service and pissed off workers in which case everyone will bitch
And this is off the top of my head. Either way people are going to bitch about this. Tipping is pretty much the easiest solution.
Bingo.
People who want the law changed aren't doing shit by stiffing their server. Most are really just looking for an excuse to be cheap as fuck.
Servers don't work enough hours to get such things. That's considered a benefit to most.
BattleMonkey
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The restaurants will have to cut down on portions instead of giving out ridiculous sized food plates!
I make that much because I am fucking awesome at my job, and typically can handle a larger workload/larger station than most.
I feel like I always get the opposite of what I want.
If the food is perfect and I want to be left alone with my company the server is there every 4 minutes.
If the food is fucked, or their water glasses are 4 ounces and I'm super thirsty? Can't find a server to save my fucking life.
Hari Seldon
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Because the staff at a restaurant is among the most replaceable jobs around. They are not in a position to force anyone to pay them more.
shira
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