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Slovakia ready to receive Syrian refugees but only if they are non-muslim.
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I've personally worked with a Muslim woman who said what ISIS was doing is great.
Scary shit man.
Some Muslims in Europe are just very conservative, it colors perception of the general populace.
You better be damn well joking right now.
Europe isn't some backwater part of the world, and most of us don't take any dumb pride living in the country we were merely born in.
It's like me trying to paint the republicans as "all of America"
Yes, diet racism from Europeans and grandeur from Americans looking down on us lowly Europeans.
Our Cops bring in their arrestees alive.
Scary shit man.
Some Muslims in Europe are just very conservative, it colors perception of the general populace.
You better be damn well joking right now.
Europe isn't some backwater part of the world, and most of us don't take any dumb pride living in the country we were merely born in.
It's like me trying to paint the republicans as "all of America"
Yes, diet racism from Europeans and grandeur from Americans looking down on us lowly Europeans.
Our Cops bring in their arrestees alive.
Hyperactivity
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Man, this thread went to shit
speculawyer
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It certainly still is an issue in western nations. So why would they want to add to that?
Saudi Arabia & Iran have very different laws on religious and cultural things. I'm sure you realize that their laws did not get that way by random accident.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...politics-society-women-in-society/#wives-role
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...n-politics-society-morality/#god-and-morality
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...tics-society-morality/#beliefs-about-morality
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ience-and-popular-culture/#impact-on-morality
Western countries have worked hard to be very permissive and let people find their own level of religiosity. It can be Amish to Satanist. There is a pretty strong separation between church & state in Europe (even if there is some vestigial state church, it is not a significant thing.) And they are understandably a bit wary about having a lot of people have a much more up-tight view of religiosity AND are fine with the state enforcing that religiosity. And when the state doesn't enforce it, some extremists decide to freelance by killing cartoonists, novel writers, harassing women, etc.
The society of Europe is significantly different than the society in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc. Now there is (thankfully) no war of the cultures. Everyone can get along. But are Europeans asking for too much if they asking for people to accept their society as is if they wish to move there?
Retromelon
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Does that make it right to exclude people because of their religion?
You Are Viewtiful
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"In a lot of Europe" is not the same as "all of America". I tried my best to be specific in who I was talking about (the far-right).
Maninthemirror
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You know I heard a lot of people say to me in discussions in threads we like Muslims just not Islam but then I see the circular logic failure which shows their view they view most Muslims as unwelcome that they flat out lied, they dislike and distrust Muslims as much as the religion . We are talking of refugees fleeing fighting not those fighting and then I see some embarrassing views. For shame
Maninthemirror
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It's quite shameful that you are openly copying and pasting from religionofpeace website which is anti Islamic which you know yourself purposely lies about what the verses refer to and what you are trying to portray , I have sent you the explaination in multiple threads in front of a lot of posters that all verses above are only against those fighting Muslims physically and this is a defensive measure where if you read the verses before and after it talks of stopping war when peace is offered but yet you repeat it again and again and mislead and lie again and again
Lamel
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Muslims are truly the official boogeymen of the world.
His bigotry is pretty obvious. He hasn't added anything useful to this thread, and I am pretty sure he is just trying to bait people.
His bigotry is pretty obvious. He hasn't added anything useful to this thread, and I am pretty sure he is just trying to bait people.
Maninthemirror
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That this view is tolerated a few days later and expanded is disturbing
Australia threads also bring out the best in him.
Aceofspades
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Saudi Arabia Accepted refugees plus providing them with free and immediate education and health care, also Saudi Arabia is responsible for funding and taking care of refugees in most Arab countries, those camps are usually funded by Saudi Arabia.
There's a difference between belief and action. Picking and choosing beliefs is nonsense.
I disagree. The purpose of democracy is an exchange of ideas. Preventing people from entering a country essentially supresses diversity of opinion.
Kenshin001
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I see no problem with this. Christians and other minor religions are persecuted by Muslims and Slovakia is providing them asylum. Christians will integrate much better into Slovakian society than Muslims and there is no shortage of Muslim countries who can accept Muslim refugees.
They treat the non-Jews they have like trash so no surprise.
Did Saudi Arabia accept Shia or Christian refugees? What about Kuwait for that matter? Highly, highly doubtful.
Slovakia is an Eastern European Slavic country. It still has plenty of its own issues to deal with in terms of history and religion in the region. It's probably more progressive than say Croatia or Slovenia but Slovakia still has a lot more work to do in terms of progress in its own society. No way in hell this would work.
The they won't assimilate line is just prejudice dribble that is used by Europe to hide their bigotry. It's blaming the victim type garbage.
You don't see a problem with religious discrimination
Closet prejudice.
Mauricio_Magus
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This is religious discrimination.
Also how the hell will they even know who's a Muslim or a Christian?
Are they afraid of white people too? After all that Norwegian guy killed more people than what happen at Charlie Hebdo.
Baki
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... How is this related to the topic at hand. Or does your distaste for "Muslims" require you to derail a topic about a legitimate issue of discrimination.
It's Kenshin so no surprise.
m_shortpants
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Thread about Muslims in some capacity? Oh, the usual hatemongers are here to warn us about the evil evil Muslims. Thank you for your work and keeping vigilant.
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Sad that it even happens in a thread about refugees. I know Turkey is supporting about 2 million refugees with daily allowances for groceries and things. I saw a video on it once and found it intriguing, but painfully sad.
The fact that humans would deny asylum to fellow humans like this is sad.
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Sad that it even happens in a thread about refugees. I know Turkey is supporting about 2 million refugees with daily allowances for groceries and things. I saw a video on it once and found it intriguing, but painfully sad.
The fact that humans would deny asylum to fellow humans like this is sad.
If this is true then understandable to a point. Although refugees generally want to live in their own country.
Serious question:
Muslims and "scholars" of Islam frequently like to tell us that Islam is a global religion stretching from Europe and West Africa right through to Indonesia and beyond in South East Asia. There is no single Muslim race, ethnicity or people. Its followers are just as varied in their racial makeup as its geographic landscapes. West African Muslims are completely different to North Africans to East Africans to those in the Balkans, to those in the Caucasus, to those on the Middle East, to those on the subcontinent, to those in Indonesia etc.
Therefore, by definition and by no means of exaggeration the only unifying and defining characteristics of Muslims is a belief in the prophet Muhammed and the direcrion of the Quran. These are mere beliefs, and if we can't judge people on their beliefs, then what can we judge them on?
Many people (myself included) find many of the passages in the Quaran and Hadith and remarks and beliefs held by Muslim scholars to be very unpleasant, unpalatable downright barbaric. Primary evidence of this has already been prvided of this earlier in the thread.
So my question is why is it considered racist / xenophobic to either point out these flaws or judge people based upon these parameters, when all we can really hope to do in life is to treat people fairly and judge them accordingly based upon the values they hold / espouse, overlayed on to our sense of morality and right and wrong?
To the people in this thread who feel like some of the posters here are "attacking" Muslims and Islam, given the above, how is this any different to attacking Republicans (for example) in a polical discussion of sincerely held beliefs, or for that matter any other discussion where one's beliefs are sincerely held?
Muslims and "scholars" of Islam frequently like to tell us that Islam is a global religion stretching from Europe and West Africa right through to Indonesia and beyond in South East Asia. There is no single Muslim race, ethnicity or people. Its followers are just as varied in their racial makeup as its geographic landscapes. West African Muslims are completely different to North Africans to East Africans to those in the Balkans, to those in the Caucasus, to those on the Middle East, to those on the subcontinent, to those in Indonesia etc.
Therefore, by definition and by no means of exaggeration the only unifying and defining characteristics of Muslims is a belief in the prophet Muhammed and the direcrion of the Quran. These are mere beliefs, and if we can't judge people on their beliefs, then what can we judge them on?
Many people (myself included) find many of the passages in the Quaran and Hadith and remarks and beliefs held by Muslim scholars to be very unpleasant, unpalatable downright barbaric. Primary evidence of this has already been prvided of this earlier in the thread.
So my question is why is it considered racist / xenophobic to either point out these flaws or judge people based upon these parameters, when all we can really hope to do in life is to treat people fairly and judge them accordingly based upon the values they hold / espouse, overlayed on to our sense of morality and right and wrong?
To the people in this thread who feel like some of the posters here are "attacking" Muslims and Islam, given the above, how is this any different to attacking Republicans (for example) in a polical discussion of sincerely held beliefs, or for that matter any other discussion where one's beliefs are sincerely held?
Their actions.
Serious answer:
If you were trying to escape a terrible war and keep your wife and kids alive, I wouldn't find some bullshit in the bible as the reason to keep you out. Or do you feel like you have to answer for all of christianity?
Kenshin001
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Ask them? People are generally not ashamed of their faith.
It's discrimination but like I said there are plenty of Muslim countries for Muslim refugees to go to. Christians in the ME don't have those options since they are persecuted for their religion.
Ganzlinger
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That guy was a psycho and an isolated case, besides, he was already a Norwegian citizen. But be sure that if some Norwegians starts to organize terrorist attacks throughout Europe, all countries will fear Norwegian immigrants.
Not really. Especially UKIP is not representative for Europe. They're not even a real political power in the UK. I feel like the U.S. is much more conservative about their past than Europe tbh. Just look at this confederate flag controversy.
Also lmao at these "I don't hate muslims, I hate the violent ones" dudes here. This thread is absolutely disgusting! These muslims fleeing from there are being killed by the terorrists just like the Christians and Atheists because they're not the "right" muslims or because they're just the moderate kind of muslims.
And this whole "muslims don't assimilate themselves in Europe" shit has to stop. You know why they don't assimilate and rather be with their fellow muslims than talking to others? Because they get shit similar to this thread on a daily basis.
It's almost funny.
We have water and food for people who are starving and dying of thirst, but only if they are not Muslim. Pretty sure some of GAF would condone that viewpoint too. It would be interesting to see how far you could stretch it before they actually felt some sympathy.
You would think people could control their bigotry (however they want to rationalize it) for refugees but nope. Fuck off people we don't like. Better you die than live with us.
Maninthemirror
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Because it's been shown again and again repeatedly in many threads that if you think something is barbaric, you have either picked and chosen a verse taking it out of context the clear verses or you have applied a negative view accepting perverted interpretation of ambiguous verses.
Now there are always some conservative to moderate ideas which are not liberal ideas but that is a difference in how to approach life without being barbaric, and often those moderate and conservative ideas would be partaken as well by the Christians they are requesting instead of Muslims as well
There is a difference between religious affiliation, professed belief in orthodox doctrine, professed belief in basic doctrine, and implemented belief.
Most Muslims are just like Christians in the sense that they don't read their holy books and consequently only give as much shit about religious doctrine as societal norms and upbringing force them to. The number of Muslims that can be categorized as Islamists—that is, as people how want to enforce literal islamic law politically—is much lower than the number of people who just carry the religious label; that number is still uncomfortably high, but nevertheless low in comparison to the total number of Muslims.
So how can a nation be justified to make a policy that categorizes people based on the religious label that most of them happen to carry by accident of their birth, when the actual impact of that label on their ability to live peacefully in a heterogeneous society is not as drastic as the literal doctrines of Islam suggest? In practice, most of these people integrate well enough that their ability to integrate does not offset their humanitarian needs as refugees. Some people here make it look like every Muslim is a conservative Islamist who wants to destroy western societies.
As I said, it is important to not conflate a muslim Syrian refugee with a conservative, islamist immigrant who wants to immigrate into a western country voluntarily to promote Islamism. Some people here do that silently.
speculawyer
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Marauder Shields
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Which are shaped by their beliefs.
Baki
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I'd love to see hard data behind this 'they don't assimilate' bullshit. Methinks this is just people projecting their internal prejudice. For a forum that's supposed to be left leaning, there are a lot of bigots here.
Agreed.
Can't believe there's an actual debate on here.
p_xavier
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Really? The charter of values in Quebec, the blatant islamophobia? I'm a quarter Lebanese and I don't even look that much arabic and I get yelled at.
Baki
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I've heard some parts of Canada at quite inviting to immigrants. Any idea why someone would suggest that?
Discotheque
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Bunch of wastemen tbh. It's embarrassing to see how open this prejudice and lack of sympathy goes around here for certain people
That's messed up but with all the race issues in Europe right I'm not surprised. US should accept more of these refugees though especially on account that a lot of the issues in the middle east has been their fault (CIA's been fucking shit up there for at least 30 years now). I feel like they haven't been accepting enough. For example, per capita, Sweden has accepted way more Iraqi refugees than the US..
There are other examples but here is one from just last month:
Federal prosecutors say refugee hoped to be terrorist
Here is one from April:
Ohio Man Indicted on Terror Charges
American accused of training with al Qaeda affiliate in Syria, planning attack in U.S
Born in Somalia, came to the US via African refugee camps, became a US citizen...
In Europe (from June):
UN quota refugees had terror links
Lol at the assimilation bullshit. I walk into starbucks in texas, right outside of a military base. The manager is wearing a muslim head dress on top of her starbucks uniform. No one even bats an eye.
In europe, political parties are actually trying to ban their head wear.
I like how the christian refugees don't have to justify all the terrible bullshit in the bible either.
If you replaced every instance of muslim in this thread with black, half these posters would get banned.
I don't disagree. But I have the strong suspicion that the bigots in question would quickly find another cultural property for their bullshit excuse.
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