Retromelon
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And how about kids of the refugees? They had no choice into what they were born into and dutifully obey the wishes of their parents in respect to religion. Fuck them too right
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Slovakia ready to receive Syrian refugees but only if they are non-muslim.
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Maninthemirror
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How many Muslims have militant groups killed in these countries as opposed to non Muslims ?
Are you telling me the refugees are participating in the war as well ? Do you understand the concept of civil strife when people are oppressed by the governments and how many radical groups are squeezed out separated from those with a legitimate struggle ? Lol
Kenshin001
Member
What is stopping them from going to a Muslim country?
Maninthemirror
Banned
This is literally a 'the Muslims are coming' post. Would you have been this prejudiced against all black people when the black panthers were active in US ?
Retromelon
Member
Didnt know refugees had resources like that dawg.
Kenshin001
Member
Of course they do. If they can get Slovakia, they can get to Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
speculawyer
Member
No.
Are you telling me killing Muslims is OK? Herp Derp.
Oppressed by the governments? Or they want to take over the governments so they can enforce their religious law on everyone in the country?
You really think ALL those conflicts are just random 'civil strife'? You don't think it is just a little bit odd that one religion seems to be in SO MANY conflicts?
It couldn't possibly be that the prophet of that religion was also a warrior and that the concept of 'holy war' just might have something to do with it?
No . . . just go ahead and deny any and all possible connection. It is just a real weird random coincidence that Islam is connected to so many violent conflicts. It could have just as well been Jainists, right? Sure.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Assigned to go sowmthing, if they had to chose they could have chosen somewhere else too. Are you saying Muslim refugees are more trouble than Christian refugees?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
your being too rational for Slovakia
Dogma is the ultimate opponent. Religion glorifies dogma. At least with other dangerous ideologies, dogma is not backed up as if it is being dictated by god.
Retromelon
Member
No, he's saying they should go somewhere they're welcome
I was talking about people as individuals.
Unless you assume every Muslim you talk to is a murderer, I'm gonna assume you understand that concept.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Oh so that's how it is. It's about getting a revenge, isn't it? It's alright for those refugees to be refused entry due to religious discrimination because you just have this burning desire for them to suffer the same injustice that other have suffered that in all likelihood has nothing to do with the refugees whatsoever. So you're holding them responsible for what happened in some other part of the world, aren't you? You're holding them hostage to what other people who they don't even know do to other people?
It's just revenge, isn't it? "They fucking deserve it, those Muslim refugees. They're Muslims, they deserve it. They deserve to be fucking prosecuted because in some other land people are also being prosecuted by others who happen to share their religion. They fucking deserve it."
Fucking unbelievable how some of you are acting here in this thread.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Herp Derp? Lol answer the question . Is it true yes or no that the biggest casualties in all these conflicts by and large are Muslims themselves irrespective of sect.
Do you believe the Syrian Revolution began with Isis people? Do you think those gassed by Assad were Isis supporters ? There can't even be a spin in that question. Most of those who suffer are civilians who want a practical revolution and are stuck between the government and militants fire.
Have you thought about the fact that dictatorship and your most beloved pew poll Apendix D itself said by an average of 75% in all these Muslim countries that the people in power suck ? The same group said religious parties would by an average of 25-30% be more helpful. It's a clear disconnect. So yes nearly all are caused by civil strife, look at the economies and happiness index in these countries and they are nowhere near other countries. Unhappiness breeds contempt, contempt breeds irrational behavior, irrational behavior breeds terrorism.
And here we again with the misinformation that the prophet of so and so was a warlord because that's what the blogs have taught me. I have seen that in the course of 2 years you have refused to study the Quran itself so I can only say as long as you are uneducated on a subject and have a confirmation bias you cannot provide a factual statement and this is just one of those cases. You don't even know the definition of the words jihad if you use Glenn Beck's dictionary on Islam.
This is why religion (all religion, not just Islam) is just bullshit to me. Reminds me of when Adam Sandler goes to college in... The Waterboy? I don't know. Mama said this, Mama said that. Mama knows fuck all, kid.
Doesn't mean we should deny entry to those that are in dire need of aid, though. The UK is a shithole (paradise compared to Syria, though), but helping out is the right thing to do.
Kenshin001
Member
They are not assigned until they get to Europe. The fact there are millions of refugees already in Turkey and ME countries shows they can go wherever they like. I'm not saying all Muslim refugees are more trouble, I'm saying the chances of radicalisation, ghettoization and conflict over different value sets are higher amongst Muslim populations.
Also Christians don't always have the option of settling in Muslim countries due to discrimination and persecution. Even in so called tolerant Turkey Christians are harassed and discriminated against.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
The unfortunate reality is that we live in a world of limited resources and those resources are not equitably distributed throughout the world. We absolutely can and should do more to try to correct that, but we cannot overturn physical limitations. The simple fact is that not everyone can live in Europe, just as not everyone can live in NYC. There's only so much space, so much water, so much food, so much housing. Does that mean that there's not space for these war refugees? Of course not, but that doesn't mean there is space for all present and future war refugees that will exist (or other forms of refugees).
The solution to problems of war and poverty cannot be to simply ship everyone to first world countries. We have to help rebuild and stabilize the countries that people are fleeing from so that they don't have to leave in the first place. We have to reduce the over-consumption of resources by the first world and redirect it to the third world. We have to make every country worth living in. If everyone simply leaves a failing society/government, then it simply accelerates the collapse and forces even more people to flee.
The solution to problems of war and poverty cannot be to simply ship everyone to first world countries. We have to help rebuild and stabilize the countries that people are fleeing from so that they don't have to leave in the first place. We have to reduce the over-consumption of resources by the first world and redirect it to the third world. We have to make every country worth living in. If everyone simply leaves a failing society/government, then it simply accelerates the collapse and forces even more people to flee.
This is definitely the dream. How we get there, I have no idea... But it's the only viable solution in the long term.
Maninthemirror
Banned
My cousin once went to a Eastern European country I am not sure exactly which one as a tourist and all Muslim refugees were assigned a ghetto development and all others were assigned places in mid income areas. Ghettos are often a result as how society looks at you as opposed to how you look at society , look at the US as a perfect example of that
Kenshin001
Member
No it's not. Your response is frankly bizarre and way off the mark.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
At 200 people they shouldn't even bother, it's almost insulting to everyone else's effort.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Remember Slovakia does not have a single mosque in the entire country, a mosque was once proposed in the capital and it was banned my the mayor
This is also the country whose leader said Slovakia is a Christian nation so we won't accept Muslims and mosques
http://enzaferreri.blogspot.com/2015/01/pm-slovakia-is-christian-no-to-muslims.html?m=1
But you guys can carry on saying its a burden on the state and not a religious discrimination issue
This is also the country whose leader said Slovakia is a Christian nation so we won't accept Muslims and mosques
http://enzaferreri.blogspot.com/2015/01/pm-slovakia-is-christian-no-to-muslims.html?m=1
But you guys can carry on saying its a burden on the state and not a religious discrimination issue
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
No it's not.
If not, then what's your point in mentioning how Christians is persecuted elsewhere? Just some off-handed remark that has no meaning or some joke? Any people with basic level of IQ or an imbecile with half a brain can see your implication that since "Muslims have persecuted Christians elsewhere therefore it is also alright to persecute the Muslims/Refugees since it's only fair."
So you agree with their logic?
"We could take 800 Muslims but we don't have any mosques in Slovakia so how can Muslims be integrated if they are not going to like it here?"
Maninthemirror
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Kenshin001
Member
What is your IQ then?
The country is kind of an important aspect here, without it this is just a fairy tale.
RustyNails
Member
Don't you get tired of hating?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
A parallel, I suppose. People are appalled that Slovakia won't accept Muslim refugees. So the point is brought up, "Some Muslim societies still persecute Christianity". He never mentioned revenge, that was something you came up with on your own.(Unless kenshin has mentioned revenge elsewhere, I dunno)
Laughing Banana is the one who brought up IQ.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Whatever my IQ is, at least I am not openly advocating refugees to be persecuted through religious discrimination unlike you.
Yes, and the point would be since "Some muslim societies still persecute Christianity" then it is ok to do the same religious discrimination to these refugees. I don't see how the implication of his post is so difficult to understand; it's clear as day.
Mailenstein
Member
Not a shocker in the first place. There are like 0.5% (even less I guess) Muslims living in Slovakia. They don't like em there since it's a very christian country with a strong christian tradition, because of the Ottoman Empire and you won't find a mosque anywhere in that country. East Europe is full of that mindset. All you will hear in these communities are 500 year old stories about the Turks to justify their hatred. As I said, no shocker at all.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
It's obvious whataboutism, dude. "Obvious discrimination against Muslims, quick, I need to distract away from the actual discussion."
Maninthemirror
Banned
It was either Austria or Slovenia , one of the two
Given that, I'd say that pragmatically they are making the correct decision.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
"By mentioning some other Muslims discriminate against others so it's okay to discriminate against these Muslims!"
Tit for tat. Revenge.
Mailenstein
Member
Austria is really hard to believe, Slovenia is a little more likely honestly.
RustyNails
Member
Muslims are the biggest victims of terrorism and violence in the middle-east. Saying we should only accept Christians as Muslims should just go to other corrupt autocratic police-states from one doesn't make much sense to refugees who are at the end of their options. It is plain discrimination and hatred for a group.
Holy shit, are we really talking about the ME without any discussion of the British and French? You do realize that more muslims live outside the ME than in it.
victreeb3l
Member
Disgusting. I feel so bad for these refugees. Having to flee their home to potentially being sent to a country where they will be completely unwelcome.
Some of the responses here are just plain sad.
Some of the responses here are just plain sad.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
That's kinda what I was getting at with my previous post about maybe intervening in Syria. Four million people is just an unbelievable number of people, the vast majority of which would probably want nothing more than to just return home and live out their lives in peace.
Maybe the right solution should be to get involved militarily if so many countries are unwilling to take in the refugees. You can't have it both ways. A coalition against ISIS needs to happen because the situation is just not sustainable long term. No clue what is to be done about Assad though.
Surprised you figured it out now. Sad really.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Do you think Europe is really bearing the brunt of the Syrian refugee crisis?
Kenshin001
Member
See, you are way off the mark. Where are Christians supposed to go if Muslim countries and their citizens discriminate against Christians? Muslims do not experience religious discrimination in neighbouring Muslim countries. It makes sense to prioritize Syrian Christians in Slovakia.
Mailenstein
Member
I agree. But then again, for them it's just like the Ottoman Empire invaded their home ground yesterday, forcing people to convert to Islam, taking blood tax and abducting young boys from villages to make them kill their own parents/people. They will never forgive that.
Kenshin001
Member
No. That was my point. There is nothing stopping Muslims from going to Muslim countries since that is already happening.
Hyperactivity
Banned
So Muslims should be discriminated against...
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