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SNSD and K-Pop Fanboy/Fangirl |OT|
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Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz
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Salazar said:
If it makes you feel any better.....none of these were from the LA show? No?
Well in that case.......BE JELLY!
Problem?
<3
broadwayrock
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Jungah and Kahi fight over e-young:
Salazar said:
Ah, I couldn't see those. He still looks cool in pink vs the random assortment of windbreakers, sweats, and jackets he and the other girls normally wear on the show. Is it really that cold where they film IY, I haven't seen any snow in the background. Come to think of it, it doesn't seem like its rained yet either.
I think SNSD are both more pro and more natural than most groups in that regard. They're sufficiently relaxed about image to just fuck around, because they're untouchable top dogs. Sometimes rookie groups appear scared stiff on shows because they're so afraid of making a mistake.
It's worth noting about gaining clout as you become top tier, that BoA simply refused to do variety shows for her last Korean promotional period. She's always hated that stuff, though, while for some like Sunny it's where they thrive.
It's worth noting about gaining clout as you become top tier, that BoA simply refused to do variety shows for her last Korean promotional period. She's always hated that stuff, though, while for some like Sunny it's where they thrive.
Ranvier said:
I was more disturbed about how distant all the different SMe groups are. Considering they talk so much about being family and supporting each other they really seem to not know each other at all...
Also was that just Super Junior just trying to be prepared rather than SMe being controlling?
Ranvier said:
I do worry with all this "control your emotion" and "don't ruin your image" bullshit that they will be little more than robots outside their performances
milkham
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Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz said:
floor 4 i think, they had a little cordoned off area next to the stage for the camera guys to walk around in, we kept pushing in the barricade and they kept telling us to move back. meanwhile people on the other side of the stage where practically ON the stage with the girls
Cuz_7_8_9_Lawlz
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milkham said:
You were probably floor 3 then, ours and the one behind us had no cameras, there were only cameras on the left side if you were facing the stage haha.
Dice said:
Minah > Sojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The others
Sunhwa's excellent Japanese:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gdymnrp6EI&feature=player_embedded#at=99
Episode 3 - check. I think this show is slowly starting to take over my brain. I had an hour long conference call at 7:30 this morning rescheduled to tomorrow and my first reaction was oh sweet, that means I can watch another episode now. On that note, time for one more before I head in.
questionmark
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broadwayrock said:Jungah and Kahi fight over e-young:
Am I the only that hates how popular the type of shoe the one in the middle is wearing are in Korea? Looks attrocious.
Ranvier said:
The variety show training that they go through in SM helps them be more comfortable on variety shows where reaction is the key to not getting edited out. The main purpose of variety shows is to bring awareness about yourself and your group, but that can't happen if you are awkward/self-conscious and you get edited out for being boring. If you watch other girl groups on variety shows it's almost embarrassing how stiff they are and how much they get edited out. Star Golden Bell is a good example as whenever SNSD was on the show, the show revolved around them while the regular cast is barely seen, 2NE1 appears on the show and they are edited out after their intro and the regulars have to take up the slack.
The personalities of the girls we see on camera is what everyone does while being filmed: acting. It's easy for us to judge and find fault as viewers that on-camera personalities are "manufactured", but don't we all have "manufactured" personalities? I know when I go to work I have to become my corporate shirt-tucker personality which I think is fake as fuck, but I have to play my role to keep my job to make money. Same thing with the girls, their job is to be entertainers and to entertain us. Manufactured is quite harsh, I'd say trained is the correct word, because we are all trained to do our jobs no matter if it's a cashier at McDonalds to a singer on stage, the fries at McDonalds are manufactured not the people behind the counter.
I see Yuri and Sunny not wanting to be seen without makeup as them being variety show veterans, on the bus ride to the farm you see them reading the script while the other girls are still deer in headlights. Yuri went through the wake up routine in Kko Kko Tour and probably didn't want to go through it again, but do you know any girl that would willingly want to be broadcasted for millions to see first thing in the morning without makeup on?
Only if you are a goddess like Gyuri
Fafnir said:
I thought all the girls looked fine/good without their make-up. But their eyes seemed like half the size they normally are. I don't know if that's just cause they were just woken up or if they actually have some sort of makeup that makes their eyes look physically bigger. Either way, it was shocking.
broadwayrock
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
This is the only way that anyone becomes good at anything, especially on an internationally competitive level.
If someone wants to mind their own business and live a quiet life with the particular skills they need to do their job well for the people they are around and come across, and have all the strengths and weaknesses of personality that are naturally there, working to improve them if they interfere with their job, that's fine. They will learn how to be quick and organized and direct the situations they deal with to the desired result because that is their professional imperative.
If someone wants their professional imperative to be not so much a task they do rather than for them be a person recognized as being truly exceptional, not just an entertainer but one of the best out there, to make their living simply by how wonderful it is to watch them being themselves and do what they do because that is their offering to society then it had better be damn good, right? Would you rather see them not care and halfass it and be boring and shy and expect to make a living from that?
As Fafnir pointed out, to some extent we all become who we need to be to play the role in society we have chosen. On some level this will remain "on the job" but a lot of it will shape how we are all the time as well. It's not natural to be powerful and perfectly controlled on stage, that takes work. It's the same when it comes to being uninhibited, witty, and just generally socially productive for a variety show where something has to happen or be said for it to be worthwhile.
I don't think many people consider it from their perspective. Not all idols are scouted for variety shows, but for most variety shows you have to audition. You go there with the intention of mind that you want to bring people some level of enjoyment just by watching you. It's not a scripted show where you just follow the plan, but you have to make it up as you go. It has to be there in your personality already.
Look at that those gifs. I'm sure Gyuri didn't want a camera in her face in the morning, but she has developed a mind for her career and sees cameras and her fans, because that is how her fans are able to see her most of the time. Thus, she shows the same grace and love that she would to them, knowing that they are the people who appreciate all the efforts she has made in life and also where her paychecks come from. I guess Nicole was out of this mindset at the time, though Hara was being a variety show veteran champ, leading the crew around.
Dice said:
Both you and Fafnir make very valid points. I guess I never really thought about it as them being on the job. That's the thing though, K-pop is so good at manipulating you into loving these people that you kind of forget that they are just giving you a show. I'm used to American celebrities where, outside of their performances, you don't really know that much about them. With K-pop, these girls/guys pretty much have camera's on them 30 hours a week so it starts to feel like you know them. Those clever clever bastards.
DICE said:
I don't hate him. I just don't like him because he keeps hounding after my girl.
And yes Alta1r I just saw episode 5 last night. It was glorious. And it seems to be that the Maknae really doesn't want to be in the show that much. This is the second week in a row that shes come down with a "fever" and had to be taken out.
This is the prime she needs to get back to. Shes almost there, just a few more pounds...
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I think that's cool. They seem a lot more down to earth because of it, and really I think they are. As far as American stars go, a lot of the most likable ones are actually show hosts because it is their job to be friendly and maintain a good mood. To do that kind of job and not hate every minute of it, you have to learn how to see and draw out the good in people, how to appreciate the fun in a situation, and I think that becomes a part of you that is good in itself.Ranvier said:
Look at Kim Shinyoung, for instance. I don't know if I've ever seen a host so observant and insightful about what is really going on in any given situation. She really knows how to see people's intentions or inhibitions and bring light to them, yet also get them and everyone else to lighten up about them. It makes people enjoy each other in their humanity rather than just the face they're presenting. I'm sure that carries on when she's not functioning as an MC as well because it's a part of one's character, not a skill you put on for TV.
You'll also get some real from-the-heart moments on shows that I really don't think are scripted at all. I remember at the end of an idol sports special thing Seungri was voted the "king" of the competition by the others and he actually cried. He said he felt like he rode on the fame of his group (btw he's maknae) and making a solo debut after 2 years, he wasn't sure if anyone would accept him, but everyone was so kind and welcoming to him. That didn't just show his heart but also the quality of the others as well. That kind of thing happens fairly often.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Just me getting early hyped for miss A
comeback.
Fei fancam: http://youtu.be/0ROl4lS7IBE
Breathe performance
http://youtu.be/zIMxq_w2vRI
Fun fact: Fei didn't dream of being a performer and chase after it like most other idols. She was street scouted. She was just walking along the road and a scout went:
Fei
Fei fancam: http://youtu.be/0ROl4lS7IBE
Breathe performance
FFEEEEEEIIIII O_O!!
Fun fact: Fei didn't dream of being a performer and chase after it like most other idols. She was street scouted. She was just walking along the road and a scout went:
More SNSD ad revenue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTDxEFQL-1I&feature=player_embedded
Taengoo cleavage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTDxEFQL-1I&feature=player_embedded
Taengoo cleavage.
LowerLevel
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OK, I am finally going to post. And to be honest I don't know how much more I am going to after this but I must get these thoughts off my mind
I despise you, Salazar, for making me really like "Gee" (LOL). Sunny, Hyoyeon and SooYoung are just TOO much! (Love Sunny's "Joker" grin). As this thread moves faster than prunes through a digestive system, what really happened with Taeyon (sp?) and the Alicia Keyes statement? I'll be honest, I read a few other forums and blogs and it didn't sound good and kinda turned me away a bit... but not a lot.
I despise you, Salazar, for making me really like "Gee" (LOL). Sunny, Hyoyeon and SooYoung are just TOO much! (Love Sunny's "Joker" grin). As this thread moves faster than prunes through a digestive system, what really happened with Taeyon (sp?) and the Alicia Keyes statement? I'll be honest, I read a few other forums and blogs and it didn't sound good and kinda turned me away a bit... but not a lot.
LowerLevel
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Salazar said:Depends on how you translate it, I think. And seeing as I can't translate anything, I'm not a terribly good judge.
Fair enough, thank you! Gee is still my guilty pleasure. Of course, Jinusean and Drunken Tiger had me a long time ago. At some point soon I will try 2NE1 or another and hopefully find another good sounding song.
LowerLevel
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Salazar said:
LMAO! OK, of course it's not like any other star has never said anything foolish. Of course SooYoung made up for it! Still, Sunny is SO bloody gorgeous, and Hyo has that dancers body... They aren't bad singers either.
Her performance last night on Mnet Choice Awards was amazing.Salazar said:
Yo Dice.
I assume a Hyunah live performance is not far off.
If in doubt use the K-pop thread for anything sans pic spamsI'm so confused what topic I should use. This, or the K-Pop topic
More people check and post in that thread even if this one is at the top more.But you're judging something said in Korea with the mindset of a Westerner. They don't have the same understanding of racism as we do; the culture is totally different and has been exposed to foreigners in a totally different way for a much shorter amount of time. Korean people say that kind of stuff a LOT and it's easy to get offended by it, but they mean it in a complimentary way. I think a lot of the outrage over that was in the international community.
ramyeon said:
ramyeon said:
I understand that the culture is somewhat insular, markedly less racially diverse than ours, profoundly conservative in some ways, and so on. I'm not terribly down on her about it; I just think it was a pretty weak thought that came out badly.
Edit: What Dice said. I defer.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
That Taeyeon racist stuff is some bullshit stupid antis made up. Here is the clip:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5ttmymmgtwm
The Korean is simple enough that I know what she is saying and I don't even speak Korean that well.
She says:
Hangeul: 흑인 친구 정말 너무 예쁜 저
Romanized: Hugin chingu jeongmal nomu yeppeun cho
Transliterated: Black[person] friend really[truly] too[very much] pretty I
Translation: My black friend is really very pretty, I think.
There is no room for anything else in that little bit she said. Even with the completely open design of Korean insofar as word arrangement goes, the meaning is completely clear and simple.
In response the other dude goes:
Hangeul: 맞아요 맞아요
Romanized: Majayo majayo
Translated: That's right/True, true
No awkwardness or hesitation.
http://www.mediafire.com/?5ttmymmgtwm
The Korean is simple enough that I know what she is saying and I don't even speak Korean that well.
She says:
Hangeul: 흑인 친구 정말 너무 예쁜 저
Romanized: Hugin chingu jeongmal nomu yeppeun cho
Transliterated: Black[person] friend really[truly] too[very much] pretty I
Translation: My black friend is really very pretty, I think.
There is no room for anything else in that little bit she said. Even with the completely open design of Korean insofar as word arrangement goes, the meaning is completely clear and simple.
In response the other dude goes:
Hangeul: 맞아요 맞아요
Romanized: Majayo majayo
Translated: That's right/True, true
No awkwardness or hesitation.
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