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[Kyzer]

The biggest L from the control verse was lupe inserting himself for no reason

 

[Red_Man]

Drake is running laps around Meek but that's not saying much. Kendrick would annihilate Drake if he ever had it in him to get involved in shit like this.

 

[Wavebossa]

The biggest L from the control verse was lupe inserting himself for no reason

Lol.. yeah Lupe does that. I still think the biggest L was NY. There was a time when a California rapper claiming to be the King of New York was a death sentence.

W/e NY still living in the glory days. Brehs bumping Dipset like this is 2000 :/

Drake is running laps around Meek but that's not saying much. Kendrick would annihilate Drake if he ever had it in him to get involved in shit like this.

Agreed, but that's a big If. I dunno I just don't feel like Kendrick is that type of cat. At the same time, drake is steady stacking up a body count

 

[TheBowen]

How the gell would you even qualify raising the bar? Who decides what and which level is acceptable? None of the cats mentioned in the track really responded because they rather keep making money. You only had irrelevant du desire Papoose trying to play the tough guy.

Found that the funniest thing to be honest. The people Kendrick mentioned in the song are the people who are on kendricks radar in terms of people who are 'leading the new wave off hip hop' and he thinks that there great, but he wants them to do better. If you're in those lyrics you're great. Yet most of the people just went 'holy shit wow' and actually went out and realised that all eyez

Spoiler

on me

were on them, so they concentrated more on their albums.

But the only people who responded in diss fashion were unknown artists/people who weren't even on the song responding to Kendricks 'diss' ( Not a diss, more of a warning to be better as Kendricks aiming to be the best)

Lol.. yeah Lupe does that. I still think the biggest L was NY. There was a time when a California rapper claiming to be the King of New York was a death sentence.

W/e NY still living in the glory days. Brehs bumping Dipset like this is 2000 :/

Agreed, but that's a big If. I dunno I just don't feel like Kendrick is that type of cat. At the same time, drake is steady stacking up a body count

I remember an interview were someone, or maybe kendrick directly, pretty much said that he doesnt really get angry and probably wouldn't reply to a diss unless it was a full on diss by some high profile rapper.

and yeah NY did take the biggest hit, purely because there was almost nobody who could actually represent new york and actually reply.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

meek is done.

 

[jstripes]

And they didn't just win the world series.... they won it back2back.

Drake is playing Chess, Meek is playing candy crush

 

[Wavebossa]

Found that the funniest thing to be honest. The people Kendrick mentioned in the song are the people who are on kendricks radar in terms of people who are 'leading the new wave off hip hop' and he thinks that there great, but he wants them to do better. If you're in those lyrics you're great. Yet most of the people just went 'holy shit wow' and actually went out and realised that all eyez

Spoiler

on me

were on them, so they concentrated more on their albums.

But the only people who responded in diss fashion were unknown artists/people who weren't even on the song responding to Kendricks 'diss' ( Not a diss, more of a warning to be better as Kendricks aiming to be the best)

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. When people were talking about "Kendrick just bodied Drake, JCole, Meek, Big Sean, Jay Elec, etc" I was like...

You didn't really listen to the song then...

EDIT: And yes, I fully agree. NY didn't have someone to say "Hey, I speak for NY" and go at KDot.
Sign of the times my friends... sign of the times.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Drake is running laps around Meek but that's not saying much. Kendrick would annihilate Drake if he ever had it in him to get involved in shit like this.

There's nothing you can really use against Kenny tho. Anyone going at him is signing his own death sentence.

 

[Tcab96]

"Back to back like I'm on the cover of lethal weapon."

 

[Wavebossa]

There's nothing you can really use against Kenny tho. Anyone going at him is signing his own death sentence.

B.. Bu... But he got curved by Nia Long!!!

/s

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Drake is so talented man, wow. Great response.

Hope Meek Mill responds soon.

 

[Red_Man]

There's nothing you can really use against Kenny tho. Anyone going at him is signing his own death sentence.

Exactly. I don't even know what one would have to say for him to feel the need to respond.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

It also had no one actually raising the bar and people were over it in a couple weeks.

It was good for Kendrick stans but it really didn't do shit for hip-hop.

I don't even know what this means. Do you think Kendrick expected his peers to all of a sudden switch to some post-rap style, a la TPaB? He knows he's operating in a world of his own and that any change is going to be incremental.

 

[UnObtainium17]

i love the tracks drake has put out but c'mon man bodied meek? the only real punchline in the entire song is the "is it your girls tour"

i'm interested in all this but lets not pretend this shit is ether

Hes not bodied yet but I feel he is about to.. He better come out with some near Ether level stuff before that drake 3rd track or he is done.

There's nothing you can really use against Kenny tho. Anyone going at him is signing his own death sentence.

He is short.

Yeah.. And his most direct line is in King Kunta and even that is still too vague to warrant a response. I mean just responding to it is almost like admittance, why would anyone try on that lol.

edit :lol

 

[Ninja Scooter]

He is short.

Nobody is stupid enough to fuck with him though. He's like that kid in the old Twilight Zone episode.

It's good that you made that song, Kenny. It's real swell of you to do that.

 

[TheBowen]

Exactly. I don't even know what one would have to say for him to feel the need to respond.

I can't think of any typical disses you could do towards Kendrick, unless someone digs incredibly deep into his past. He has record sales, critical acclaim, lyrical talent, he grew up in the hood life (meaning people can't take him on the 'fake thug' angle which is most likely the angle meek will take against Drake which will result in him being laughed at for being uncreative), he's kept it real with his fans and with others and respects other artists, and grew up with his high school sweetheart and not some girl who could easily be dissed, and he has lots of stans and people in the industry who could jump to his aid if necessary.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. When people were talking about "Kendrick just bodied Drake, JCole, Meek, Big Sean, Jay Elec, etc" I was like...

You didn't really listen to the song then...

EDIT: And yes, I fully agree. NY didn't have someone to say "Hey, I speak for NY" and go at KDot.
Sign of the times my friends... sign of the times.

Exactly, You not being listed on the song was the actually diss, which means you're either irrelevant or Kendrick doesn't think you will be a threat.

Yep, sad the state of the New york rap game.

Drake is so talented man, wow. Great response.

Hope Meek Mill responds soon.

Me too. Been a long time since a high profile, genuine rap beef has happened. I want to see it go on, but most likely if it lasts too long Meek will end up getting destroyed. If nicki leaves him during this beef, that will be a huge hit and will provide plenty more ammo for drake and anyone else willing to jump in.

 

[obzourb]

how do we know back to back wasnt ghostwritten

 

[Tcab96]

Me too. Been a long time since a high profile, genuine rap beef has happened. I want to see it go on, but most likely if it lasts too long Meek will end up getting destroyed. If nicki leaves him during this beef, that will be a huge hit and will provide plenty more ammo for drake and anyone else willing to jump in.

Would anyone even jump in on this? I know Drake has had beef with a couple of people before, but I can't imagine other artists getting involved over this spat.

I hope Meek responds. I love rap beef and everything that comes from it: https://twitter.com/redbullphilly/status/626378006236385280

 

[Jest Chillin]

There's nothing you can really use against Kenny tho. Anyone going at him is signing his own death sentence.

There's always something, it's just a matter of framing it the right way for it to hit. I mean off the top of my head someone could take angles on the fact that Kendrick isn't helping his crew get hits, probably a few different angles to take on the whole Cheraine thing, hanging out with Badu and having his content different on the very next album.

A hell of a lot of what makes a good diss is what angle you take and how you frame and deliver the line.

Like Meek could flip Drake's Nicki references right back on him simply by talking about how he got the girl Drake "fell in love (with) at first sight." Just depends on how he presents it and delivers it.

 

[cw_sasuke]

People thinking that Kendrick can't be touched or is invincible just shows in what kind of environment we live right now. Everybody can be touched. He just needs the right opponent.

But from the current mainstream dudes there probably is no one who would wanna kill themselves going against him. You would need someone like Pac who goes against all odds. Which we won't get anytime soon.

 

[TheXfactor]

Drake is so talented man, wow. Great response.

Hope Meek Mill responds soon.

well alright then, i listened to it expected something good...but that was really bad and cheesy and simple. Im real disappointed(but not surprised, because its drake lol)

 

[BadAss2961]

Drake stans going hard for their man.

This beef is dumb as shit. So I'm not suprised everything going on around it is equally dumb as shit.


and we all know it wont matter how hard meek goes at drake... everyone is still gonna ride for Aubrey.

This shit is veal. It's the fans and the social media drama that keeps this amusing.

 

[TheXfactor]

"Yeah, trigger fingers turn to twitter fingers
You getting bodied by a singing nigga"

what makes that a good insult?

 

[Glass Rebel]

There's always something, it's just a matter of framing it the right way for it to hit. I mean off the top of my head someone could take angles on the fact that Kendrick isn't helping his crew get hits, probably a few different angles to take on the whole Cheraine thing, hanging out with Badu and having his content different on the very next album.

A hell of a lot of what makes a good diss is what angle you take and how you frame and deliver the line.

So, blaming Kendrick for the rest of TDE being

, something he rapped about ad nauseam on his own album and a critically and commercially successful album not being GKMC2? That's just a bunch of shit only hip hop weirdos on message boards care about.

People thinking that Kendrick can't be touched or is invincible just shows in what kind of environment we live right now. Everybody can be touched. He just needs the right opponent.

But from the current mainstream dudes there probably is no one who would wanna kill themselves going against him. You would need someone like Pac who goes against all odds. Which we won't get anytime soon.

No, it goes to show that K.Dot has the lyrical ability to take on any currently active rapper and a clean slate.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

what makes that a good insult?

First line is a jab at how Meek started this shit, but so far all he's done is tweet about it like a gossipy 12 year old.

Second line is basically "no matter what you want to say about me, it only makes you look worse because I'm killing you right now".

 

[T.A.L]

Wasn't lurking then but what was the consensus on "ooh kill em " Didn't Meek take a deandre Jordan free throw at King kendrick.

Also after listening to Back to Back thoroughly. There is a lot of shots fired in that one. I like what he did. If there is a third track, I imagine it's going to put the nail in the coffin.

 

[Jest Chillin]

So, blaming Kendrick for the rest of TDE being

, something he rapped about ad nauseam on his own album and a critically and commercially successful album not being GKMC2? That's just a bunch of shit only hip hop weirdos on message boards care about.

You're insulting my examples but in doing so you illustrate my point. It's all about what angles you take and how you frame it. Half Empty vs. Half Full.

Like 50 Cent talking about getting shot 9 times and framing it as him being hard to kill. Being tough. But Jadakiss flipping it on him, "since when has it been cool to get shot and not shoot back" and "You had to get shot 9 times to be rich."

 

[Ivan 3414]

I don't even know what this means. Do you think Kendrick expected his peers to all of a sudden switch to some post-rap style, a la TPaB? He knows he's operating in a world of his own and that any change is going to be incremental.

It's not about what Kendrick expects. My point is that the Control verse wasn't as monumental as some people make it out to be. In retrospect it's a blip on the radar, nothing actually huge. I don't know where all these artists will be in 20 years, but when that time comes I doubt people are going to say "Yo, remember when Kendrick told his friends to be better rappers?" because it lead to virtually nothing. Doesn't seem like Control changed anything, even incrementally.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

what makes that a good insult?

because he sings (along with the content of many of his songs), he is generally considered "soft". where Meek tries to exude a tough-guy persona. The implication being that Drake may be soft, but Meek is even softer than me for losing to him...and the difference is one owns up to being soft where the other is all about being tough but really isn't.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

It's not about what Kendrick expects. My point is that the Control verse wasn't as monumental as some people make it out to be. In retrospect it's a blip on the radar, nothing actually huge. I don't know where all these artists will be in 20 years, but when that time comes I doubt people are going to say "Yo, remember when Kendrick told his friends to be better rappers?" because it lead to virtually nothing. Doesn't seem like Control changed anything, even incrementally.

OK, but can you give some examples of someone saying the verse is making history or will change the game? As far as I know, people just like it because it's awesome.

 

[Jest Chillin]

It's not about what Kendrick expects. My point is that the Control verse wasn't as monumental as some people make it out to be. In retrospect it's a blip on the radar, nothing really huge. I don't know where all these artists will be in 20 years, but when that time comes I doubt people are going to say "Yo, remember when Kendrick told his friends to be better rappers?" because it lead to virtually nothing.

That had the impact that it did because his generation of rappers weren't just out there making money.. they were consciously avoiding being competitive at all, with collaborations in every direction. So for Kendrick, who was relatively new to the spotlight in comparison to step up and firmly make a statement saying he's better and everybody else needs to get their bars up to be compared to him, for him to do that was big statement.

 

[Fjordson]

what makes that a good insult?

You serious lol

 

[Future PhaZe]

control was just dropping as many names as possible for self promotion

as good as it was it was still a giant plead for attention

 

[Red_Man]

control was just dropping as many names as possible for self promotion

as good as it was it was still a giant plead for attention

The guy who just put out TPAB as a follow up to one of the best hip hop records of the past decade, dropped names in Control for self promotion and for attention? Get the fuck out of here. Kendrick doesn't give a shit about that and is as real as they come in hip hop right now.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

The guy who just put out TPAB as a follow up to one of the best hip hop records of the past decade, dropped names in Control for self promotion and for attention? Get the fuck out of here. Kendrick doesn't give a shit about that and is as real as they come in hip hop right now.

How about I tell you that him saying KL did that for attention is itself a cry for attention....

 

[Glass Rebel]

You're insulting my examples but in doing so you illustrate my point. It's all about what angles you take and how you frame it. Half Empty vs. Half Full.

Like 50 Cent talking about getting shot 9 times and framing it as him being hard to kill. Being tough. But Jadakiss flipping it on him, "since when has it been cool to get shot and not shoot back" and "You had to get shot 9 times to be rich."

I'm not illustrating shit breh. Those are just shitty examples that have no angle worth entertaining and would probably get you laughed out of a studio. It's on the same level as that Nia Long diss Papoose whipped up. 50 being shot is something one can work with, same as Meek being inferior to Nicki or Drake being soft (if Meek finds his balls, that is).

Kendrick has none of that.

Truth be told, one would even have a hard time going at J. Cole because he's so fucking bland

 

[Fjordson]

Kendrick's music is really boring imo, but his rep is pretty solid. Hard to think of what someone would go at him for.

Those black contacts he wore on SNL were pretty dumb last year, but that's all I got.

 

[Jest Chillin]

I'm not illustrating shit breh. Those are just shitty examples that have no angle worth entertaining and would probably get you laughed out of a studio. It's on the same level as that Nia Long diss Papoose whipped up. 50 being shot is something one can work with, same as Meek being inferior to Nicki or Drake being soft (if Meek finds his balls, that is).

Kendrick has none of that.

Truth be told, one would even have a hard time going at J. Cole because he's so fucking bland

And before Ether, people would've said similar about Jay not having any major weaknesses. You're fooling yourself if you think that anyone is immune. Nobody is untouchable in a battle.

 

[Az]

Alright guys so back to Drake and Meek

 

[Ke0]

Meek still trying to scrounge together studio time money? He should just ask Nicki, I'm sure she's got it in her sofa cushions

 

[abstract alien]

Wait...what does Kendrick have to do with any of this? The hell is going on?

 

[Ke0]

Wait...what does Kendrick have to do with any of this? The hell is going on?

People are getting impatient for Meek Miller to drop something.

 

[Red_Man]

Wait...what does Kendrick have to do with any of this? The hell is going on?

Meek is currently a warm corpse on the ground with vultures circling so we need something to discuss until he diss track that would be the remaining gas leaving his body is released.

 

[goober]

Anyone have a timeline of events? I'm out of the loop

 

[abstract alien]

People are getting impatient for Meek Miller to drop something.

Meek is currently a warm corpse on the ground with vultures circling so we need something to discuss until he diss track that would be the remaining gas leaving his body is released.

You know, that would be pretty funny if Drake actually mentioned something about battling with Kendrick since Meek isn't doing anything with the fight he started.

 

[Rembrandt]

Anyone have a timeline of events? I'm out of the loop

Meek says drake has a ghostwriter. Drake releases two disses and has tons of celebrities/important people laughing at meek.

 

[Glass Rebel]

And before Ether, people would've said similar about Jay not having any major weaknesses. You're fooling yourself if you think that anyone is immune. Nobody is untouchable in a battle.

non-existing angles and hypotheticals don't impress me

 

[Deleted member 284]

Imma just drop this right here for further consumption.

https://youtu.be/rEUTGj1yOME

 

[TheXfactor]

You serious lol

their both soft as hell and his insults derived to "yea i sing and i know im soft, but your losing to me and at least i admit it! HA!" he literally insulted himself just there.

and sure meeks acted like a 12 year old with a tweet(which is why he was saying the twitter line im assuming) but drake responded by taking the time to make not one but two songs, so it obviously affected him lol.

idk this rilvary(or rap rivalries in general) is just not my thing i guess cause im not seeing the big deal here on why their arguing. it feels like they are both doing it for publicity.

 

[Fjordson]

their both soft as hell and his insults derived to "yea i sing and i know im soft, but your losing to me and at least i admit it! HA!" he literally insulted himself just there.

and sure meeks acted like a 12 year old with a tweet(which is why he was saying the twitter line im assuming) but drake responded by taking the time to make not one but two songs, so it obviously affected him lol.

idk this rilvary(or rap rivalries in general) is just not my thing i guess cause im not seeing the big deal here on why their arguing. it feels like they are both doing it for publicity.

You could be right on the last part lol. Meek looks like a fool, but he getting a lot of publicity for his new album.