The Artisan
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peter pettigrew was a gryffindor. so there's that.
So Hufflepuff is CLEARLY the best house...
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They have loyalty, of a different kind than the type Hufflepuff values. They are to Malfoy as retainers are to lords rather than friends are to other friends.
Slytherin is big on hierarchy, and being able to fit into the hierarchy is probably valued as well. You can't build a team out of leaders after all.
Slytherin is big on hierarchy, and being able to fit into the hierarchy is probably valued as well. You can't build a team out of leaders after all.
EightBitNate
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I don't know if it's been discussed, but I always thought
Harry -> Slytherin
Hermione -> Ravenclaw
Ron -> Hufflepuff
but their bravery is what got them in Gryffindor.
Harry -> Slytherin
Hermione -> Ravenclaw
Ron -> Hufflepuff
but their bravery is what got them in Gryffindor.
Boss Doggie
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With that said, people bring out the time turner as "plot holes" when it literally is a stable time thingie.
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The Time Turner worked fine, isolated within "Prisoner of Azkaban". The plot hole is that the magic to do that exists and it makes no sense the evil Wizards wouldn't use it, especially after taking over the ministry.
The time turners are the worst plot devices ever when you think about it, remember there were actually a number of them at the Ministry that were conveniently destroyed just before the Death Eaters took over. And Dumbledore just up and gives one to Hermoine so she can get to class in time. Does he not understand the danger of giving such a device to a child?
Unknown Soldier
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Because Hermione is literally the only person on Earth boring enough to not abuse it. If you gave it to literally anybody else, they would abuse the hell out of it until someone figured it out and took it away by force or they took over the world and turned it into their own personal dystopia.
All the time turners were destroyed at the end of book 5 IIRC.
But yeah, still a ridiculous plot hole that nobody ever abused them before that.
No point abusing them. It's a stable time loop. You can't change the present.
Time can't be changed (mostly). When Hermione went back in time to save Sirius/Buckbeak, the "alternate timeline" she created was the one that always existed, and was no alternate. So time travel has very limited uses, and huge risks (like if you see your future self, you can be driven insane). To quote Hermione "Bad things happen to wizards who meddle with time."
Dumbledore set everything up. He hooked Hermione up with a time turner "for school" entirely so that she would be in a position to save Sirius from the Dementors and provide him with a getaway horse. I don't know how he did it, but he did it.
"Did what? Goodnight."
C'mon dude that is just some lazy ass covering writing, time travel is the surest way to screw up any plot as it never makes sense. "Bad things happen to wizards who meddle with time." Yeah, no shit why should a pre-teen girl have this reality shattering power? When you really step back from the series you realize that Dumbledore is the true monster of the series.
Sequence Six
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"Does he not understand the danger of ______ to a child?" is basically the plot of Harry Potter.
First time I saw that in the theater is when I decided to read every book in the series.
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If it weren't for that line, honestly I bet people wouldn't mind Time Turner. Since if you "screwed with time" it turns out that screwing was meant happened. But then she had to add that "bad things" stuff.
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And that delivery is why Gambon is the best Dumbledore.
Hence why I view Dumbledore as a monster. As a kid growing up you basically project yourself as Harry so of course you're like "fuck yeah, I wanna join the Order of Phoenix and fight these dank evil Death Eaters." But, as an adult I'm like "why the hell would you even consider allowing children into this secret army? Why are you giving them powerful magical devices that could reek havoc upon the world and the fabric of reality itself? Why are you leaving them to confront fucking murderers on their own? Did you just send a child alone into that damn forest filled with murderous creatures? Dear God, what is wrong with all you people?"
They should all be locked up, Dumbledore especially, for child abuse and use of child soldiers.
Basileus777
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How is Ron a Hufflepuff? He's not hard working (in fact the opposite), he's an everyman who happens to be brave and bold when his friends need it, he fits Gryffindor perfectly.
what's this from?
It's from a fanfic in which the time turners actually mostly make sense.
ah, i remember you praising this fanfic before
Basileus777
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It's from a fanfic in which the time turners actually mostly make sense.
Has this broke 2 million words yet?
Yes, I keep pushing the damn thing.
It's complete. Something like 600-700k words long.
Jorok Goldblade
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Loyalty is also a Hufflepuff trait.
But when she vanished into the chamber, none of them came to the idea to look at the map to find her? Even if they didn't find her, they could've straight went to Dumbledore and told him about the map and that they didn't find her there, which probably means that she isn't in the castle anymore. Which wouldn't be true, but at least they would've tried to use it to help find their sister. If you can see the chamber on the map, all the worse.
Boss Doggie
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You know what another plothole is annoying?
Wand ownership.
Fuck that shit. They should have just made it "Elder Wand has wand ownership" but suddenly LOL NOPE EVERY WAND HAS THAT!
Wand ownership.
Fuck that shit. They should have just made it "Elder Wand has wand ownership" but suddenly LOL NOPE EVERY WAND HAS THAT!
If they'd gone to Dumbledore, do you think he'd have done anything? His entire goal was preparing Harry, to do that Harry had to solve all this shit. Pretty sure if Dumbledore wanted to, he could have dealt with the shit in the first three books/films with ease.
Get your butt-butt of the all-knowing viewers chair and project yourself into the twins. They didn't know about Dumbledores shenanigans. They know him as a great, nice and most of all powerful man, both by himself and with his contacts in the wizard world. I am arguing that they would've ignored the possibly of getting the map taken away to help with the investigation of their sister.
Well, that's the thing... we have no idea whether the twins were looking for her or not. Or whether they told anyone. Because the map only exists after that story. Maybe they told everyone and no one believed them. They're trickster by nature.
And the twins were supposed to be some of Gryffindor's brightest students.
Peter Pettigrew = They have no reason to think it is something else than the name of the rat. They don't know who he is.
Voldemort = Wouldn't show up as Voldemort. If he showed up at all, it would be as Tom Riddle. But he'd probably show up as just Quirrel.
Ginny = She leaves the castle sometimes, she must be just like us. We keep doing that too. Too bad we can't use her exit as it is in the girl's bathroom.
Mad Eye Moody = Probably really shows up as Mad Eye Moody depending on how good those spells are.
I actually think all the potholes and weaknesses is one of the reasons we continue to love it. From my experience: You read it as a kid and you are swept away on this magical adventure, and while we waited for the next book you matured and so did the story. And in there are no more books, but you mature, look back and find all these weird and terrible details with huge implications that are glossed over in the story that fuels discussion and critical thinking. It's a very educational series in that sense.
Yes, I keep pushing the damn thing.
It's complete. Something like 600-700k words long.
Cool, question:
Is it worth finishing? Is the ending is satisfying and not a cliffhanger that leaves you waiting for more? Did it ever go past the first year?
This so much. Harry must own a ton of wands since disarming was his signature spell.
At least my pottermore wand has a sweet core/wood combination that would make it hard to win and likely to zap anyone who would try to steal it.
googleplex
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It's from a fanfic in which the time turners actually mostly make sense.
Ugh.. THAT fic. I read a lot of harry potter fanfiction and that the only one that actually made me angry.
Boss Doggie
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They never really showed magic interacting with modern tech.
Like would Alohomora work with biometrics?
Like would Alohomora work with biometrics?
Nah, in the Goblet of Fire he really does show up as Bartemius Crouch on the map (though it doesn't differentiate between Jr. and Sr). By that time though the twins no longer own the map, and Harry's the one who notices the name. Mad Eye/Barty Crouch confiscates the map he moment he realises the implication of that.
The big question though...why didn't the real Mad Eye show up on the map, immobile in his office? The only explanation I can think of is that the trunk is another dimension, separate from the castle.
Edit: Or I guess maybe he did show up...but Harry never realised there was anything suspicious about his immobility (since Moody was in his own office) and never checked the map when he was in the presence of the imposter Moody.
They knew the rat's name was Scabbers. JK Rowling gave her own explanation for why the twins never remarked on Peter Pettigrew:
"It would not have mattered if they had. Unless somebody was very familiar with the story of Sirius Black (and after all, Sirius was not Mr. and Mrs. Weasley's best friend – indeed, they never knew him until after he escaped from Azkaban), Fred and George would be unlikely to know or remember that Peter Pettigrew was the person Sirius had (supposedly) murdered. Even if Fred and George HAD heard the story at some point, why would they assume that the 'Peter Pettigrew' they occasionally saw moving around the map was, in fact, the man murdered years before?
Fred and George used the map for their own mischief-making, so they concentrated, naturally enough, on those portions of the map where they were planning their next misdeeds. And finally, you must not forget that hundreds of little dots are moving around this map at any given time… Fred and George did not know everyone in school by name, so a single unfamiliar name was unlikely to stand out."
(It's a bit of an unsatisfactory answer to me though. I mean, sure, it's an unfamiliar name...but it's also an unfamiliar name that's always next to their brother, even sharing his bed at night lol. They must have never checked the Gryffindor dorms, which at least aligns with what Rowling said about them only ever concentrating on areas where they were about to do something mischievous.)
The Artisan
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i feel like it is the other way around for Harry and Ron. Ron largely felt like a pretty selfish character, that'd be a trait more attributable to a slytherin. Harry's more about loyalty I think.
Even though he was supposed to be a slytherin in the first place.
I just go directly to the wikia and get it directly and condensed.
Some characters have hella tragic backstory, like Minerva McGonagall.
maniac-kun
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They should make a movie series about Merlin in the HP universe. Maybe starting with his school years with all that Hogwards founding fathers.
ShemhazaiX
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Whelp, as someone who legitimately hates Harry Potter, this thread made me sign up to Pottermore so I could see which house I would be put in...
Fucking Hufflepuff.
Fucking Hufflepuff.
The Artisan
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is it entirely random or do they actually do something to determine where you go?
Yes, I keep pushing the damn thing.
It's complete. Something like 600-700k words long.
so i started reading this, and sloppy fanfic tropes aside, it's everything i could have wanted it to be
Personality test, basically.
Sequence Six
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What'd they take out/leave? I've never done more than the Sorting Hat.
Part of the issue with Harry/Dumbledore's relationship is that when Dumbledore found out Harry himself was a Horcrux, he realized that at some point Harry needs to die. Why get too emotionally attached to a kid that he knows he has to feed to the wolves at some point or another. However he did. He ended up loving Harry as a sort of psuedo-son.
In the fifth book I guess he realized that Harry would have to slug it out with Voldemort at some point or another and so it made sense to get him involved with the Order of the Phoenix. Now where Dumbledore fucked up is not getting Harry better tutors. He should have known that Snape training him would have been a complete and utter disaster. After the 4th book, Harry should have had private tutors flown in but I guess the Ministry of Magic shit fucked everything up. Dumbledore himself should have started training Harry in the 5th book and Dumbledore sort of acknowledges that he should have as well.
I also got Gryffindor at Pottermore.
I still haven't read it but I've heard good things. What made you angry about it, if it isn't too spoilery a question?
Yes, but pretty much anyone at Hogwarts would know that Harry and Snape hated each other's guts and would never work together well.
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