So Hufflepuff is CLEARLY the best house...

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Draco suggested (and I think he was serious) that they couldn't even read.

While a hilarious line, this was actually adlibbed in the movie because the actor had forgotten the actual line, they left it in cause it was hilarious.

I believe he said something different in the book, the entire scene might have been completely different even.

I think heritage might have to do with it, when the sorting hat nears Ron he says something like "another weasly" and in no time just goes "GRYFFINDOR!"
 
While a hilarious line, this was actually adlibbed in the movie because the actor had forgotten the actual line, they left it in cause it was hilarious.

I believe he said something different in the book, the entire scene might have been completely different even.

I think heritage might have to do with it, when the sorting hat nears Ron he says something like "another weasly" and in no time just goes "GRYFFINDOR!"
heritage may play a role knowing how genetics predetermines how a person will be in life but there was one black who was a gryffindor while the rest were slytherins.
 
heritage may play a role knowing how genetics predetermines how a person will be in life but there was one black who was a gryffindor while the rest were slytherins.

Indeed, but it seems like he might be an odd case, after all his defining trait was indeed rebelling against his family, and that's a pretty gryffindor thing to do.
 
Tbe whole idea of houses messes up peoples lives. It's self fulfilling prophecy bullshit. You're in Slytherin! Guess you're gonna be evil. If you tell someone they're going to grow up to be evil then that's exactly what they'll be. Students aren't given a chance to form their own identity. They're straight out told on the first day what they're going to become when they grow up. You're in Griffindor. Congratulations on the success good guy! Nobody gives a shit about you Hufflepuff guy. You're already a failure. Maybe Hufflepuff students could be more successful if they weren't already essentially told that they didn't matter.

I'm willing to bet that Slytherin wasn't that bad of a house before the whole 'Blood purity' mania. Grindalward, and Voldemort basically fucked that house over.
 
heritage may play a role knowing how genetics predetermines how a person will be in life but there was one black who was a gryffindor while the rest were slytherins.

Why the he'll wasn't Percy a ravenclaw? His personality seems to lean more towards that house and he seemed like the type that wouldn't question the hat's reasons for putting him there.
 
While a hilarious line, this was actually adlibbed in the movie because the actor had forgotten the actual line, they left it in cause it was hilarious.

I believe he said something different in the book, the entire scene might have been completely different even.

Ah yes. Tom Felton was perfect as Draco.

I took it as something serious (with a bit of dark humor), because people aren't born knowing how to read. It's something most of us struggle through at a very early age, and I don't think the Wizard community actually goes to regular school. They would harken back to a darker time when effort wasn't spent teaching kids to read when they didn't absolutely need to read (like for a career path). Adult illiteracy used to be very common, not so long ago (and still is, in some parts of the world).

Crabbe and Goyle's parents wouldn't have sat down with their kids to read bedtime stories to them. They knew that their role in life was to follow the Malfoys, and to violently assault anyone that threatened their leader. Simple thugs, born and raised. Draco's role was to be the mastermind, so the Malfoys would have hired a tutor for him.

Ron knows all about children's stories like Beedle the Bard (creeping out Muggle-raised people like Harry and Hermione), so Mrs Weasley probably taught her kids to read using those stories.

I'm willing to bet that Slytherin wasn't that bad of a house before the whole 'Blood purity' mania. Grindalward, and Voldemort basically fucked that house over.
Salazar Slytherin was the original Wizard Supremacist (that we know of). Before the Sorting Hat started sorting by looking deep into people's hearts and minds and souls, students were chosen by the teachers like dodgeball teams, and Slytherin chose exclusively based on blood purity (and then argued that Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, and Hufflepuff were dirtying their school by allowing these lesser-people to join).

Salazar Slytherin had a "final solution" lined up and ready to go, but he never launched it because he was afraid of Godric Gryffindor, while Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff seemed to be taking Gryffindor's side on the "don't kill the mudbloods" bandwagon.
 
We know at least two good-ish Slytherin. Slughorn and Phineas Nigellus Black.

Ambition, like most things, is find in moderation.

Percy was as a Gryffindor but was an ambitious mother fucker. And Cedric Diggory was a brave dude for a Puff.

No one is completely one thing. Except Snape. He was 100% asshole.
 
Ah yes. Tom Felton was perfect as Draco.

I took it as something serious (with a bit of dark humor), because people aren't born knowing how to read. It's something most of us struggle through at a very early age, and I don't think the Wizard community actually goes to regular school. They would harken back to a darker time when effort wasn't spent teaching kids to read when they didn't absolutely need to read (like for a career path). Adult illiteracy used to be very common, not so long ago (and still is, in some parts of the world).

Crabbe and Goyle's parents wouldn't have sat down with their kids to read bedtime stories to them. They knew that their role in life was to follow the Malfoys, and to violently assault anyone that threatened their leader. Simple thugs, born and raised. Draco's role was to be the mastermind, so the Malfoys would have hired a tutor for him.

Ron knows all about children's stories like Beedle the Bard (creeping out Muggle-raised people like Harry and Hermione), so Mrs Weasley probably taught her kids to read using those stories.


Salazar Slytherin was the original Wizard Supremacist (that we know of). Before the Sorting Hat started sorting by looking deep into people's hearts and minds and souls, students were chosen by the teachers like dodgeball teams, and Slytherin chose exclusively based on blood purity (and then argued that Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, and Hufflepuff were dirtying their school by allowing these lesser-people to join).

Salazar Slytherin had a "final solution" lined up and ready to go, but he never launched it because he was afraid of Godric Gryffindor, while Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff seemed to be taking Gryffindor's side on the "don't kill the mudbloods" bandwagon.

Yeah that chamber of secrets with the basilisk wasn't just created for show.
 
Except we know from the Sorting Hat song that Slytherin valued Ambition and cunning above anything. Blood purity had nothing to do with it. Otherwise Percy would have been in that house.
 
there were many missteps. what a lot of people also don't seem to realize is that (while what you said in essence is true, but) gryffindor is basically a combination of all 3 other houses.

So Gryffindor is the Mary Sue self-insert house? Makes sense.

Ravenclaw: smart
Slytherin: ambitious
Hufflepuff: hardworking
Gryffindor: well I want to be smart AND ambitious AND hardworking!
 
I think it's more that, confronted with the choice between houses as fraternities and houses as personalities, Rowling veered towards the former despite designing the houses as the latter. Thus, if you were Gryffindor, chances are your progeny would also go to Gryffindor as a carrying on of tradition.

Which is ridiculous, of course, because families aren't so consistent from generation to generation that they could all be choleric, or ENFP, or whichever temperament theory you subscribe to.

So, it's better to approach the houses based on how they were described (which differentiates them on lines of personality), than who their members were(which was Rowling forcing the good vs evil trope into a vaguely related psychological framework).
 
Except we know from the Sorting Hat song that Slytherin valued Ambition and cunning above anything. Blood purity had nothing to do with it. Otherwise Percy would have been in that house.

Can't talk about Percy Weasley without talking about Arthur Weasley.

Arthur Weasley was a pure blood from a great house, but he was the wrong pure blood from the wrong house, according to the Slytherins. The Weasleys are a Gryffindor family as much as the Malfoys are a Slytherin family. The Hat barely needs to touch their heads to know these people. The Weasleys lived in poverty (even though Arthur had a high-ranking Ministry position) because Arthur (and maybe some of his ancestors) valued family and friends more than they valued money. Also, Arthur's Ministry job involves upsetting Dark Wizards.

Percy Weasley is tired of the poverty and the lack of respect (from certain crowds), and thinks his father has made mistakes. He wants to get into the Ministry and earn loads of money and be widely respected. He wants to be the "right" version of his father.

The Sorting Hat, I would say, sorts people based on how likely they are to succeed in a certain environment. If Percy went to Slytherin, he could make contacts and try to brownnose his way into a Ministry position, but the Slytherins would give him a rough time of it for the crime of being born a Weasley, and he might not make it very far. Whereas on the other hand, as a Gryffindor Weasley, Percy already has Ministry contacts through his father, which would likely burn if he showed himself to be anything other than his father's son (Sirius Black was kicked out of the Black house and had to crash on James Potter's couch after crossing the aisle to Gryffindor). Percy has enough cleverness not to become a Slytherin.

He studied hard (a Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw trait) and followed the rules (disregard for the rules being described by Dumbledore as a sometimes-positive Slytherin trait) and was awarded with school accolades like Prefect and Head Boy (dismissed by his brothers as being too straight-laced). And then he graduated into a Ministry position.

And then, Arthur Weasley chose to do the right thing yet again and committed some more career suicide. And Percy said "I'm not with them" and chose to stand apart from his family. That was everything he thought he wanted, but it killed him to do it, and he immediately regretted it. He eventually worked up the courage to come back in tears and admit that his father was never wrong, that family is more important than your career. And that, I would say, is why Percy's a Gryffindor.
 
Indeed, but it seems like he might be an odd case, after all his defining trait was indeed rebelling against his family, and that's a pretty gryffindor thing to do.
not sure if being rebellious is necessarily a gryffindor exclusive trait. I had that vibe with tonks as well.
Why the he'll wasn't Percy a ravenclaw? His personality seems to lean more towards that house and he seemed like the type that wouldn't question the hat's reasons for putting him there.
who knows? maybe he quietly asked to be in gryffindor since his two older brothers and parents were there.
So Gryffindor is the Mary Sue self-insert house? Makes sense.

Ravenclaw: smart
Slytherin: ambitious
Hufflepuff: hardworking
Gryffindor: well I want to be smart AND ambitious AND hardworking!
i dunno who mary sue is, but yep.
It was the House with the author self insert so, yeah.
author self insert?
 
i dunno who mary sue is, but yep.
A "Mary Sue" is a character who is perfect, and loved by everyone, and can do no wrong (any perceived imperfections are just there to try and make the character more likable), usually a self-insert placed into a story by a bad fanfic author, for self gratification.

The name comes from a very old piece of Star Trek fanfiction. It became famous enough to become a cautionary tale for all writers.

Note: After this term was coined, Gene Wesley Roddenberry basically wrote himself into Star Trek: The Next Generation as the character "Wesley Crusher", a Mary Sue.

author self insert?
Hermione is largely based on JK Rowling, although she's not a Mary Sue.
 
I really wish Dumbledore had checked up on Harry throughout his childhood to make sure he wasn't being treated like shit. Sure he couldn't tell Harry he was a Wizard before he was old enough for school, but he could have kicked some Dursley ass to make sure he wasn't living under the stairs or something.

When Dumbledore chews them out in Order for being such assholes it's really nice. Shame it doesn't happen in the movie.

Also, why the hell does the Order keep Mundungus around? He's almost useless. His failings completely outweigh his positives. He causes more problems than he solves. Yeah, I know it's explained, but still... take control of the man already! If I were Harry, I'd shove a confundus charm up his ass for causing him to almost be expelled and for stealing his godfather's possessions for one thing.
 
From what was said though Dumbledore wanted them to treat him like shit and the only reason he chewed them out was him leaving the Dursleys since they have magical protection.
 
This thread caused me to take a bunch of Harry Potter house quizes and 7 out of 10 placed me in Ravenclaw. I had a couple syltherin placings and a hufflepuff. So. Ravenclaw is obviously the best.
 
What the hell kind of jobs are there in the wizarding world, it seems like you either work in the ministry, run a shop, teach or are an auror.

Well yeah government, shops, etc.. But also wand makers, working in a hospital, working with animals, Estate agents (someone has to sell this land they keep buying), academia outside of teaching (study of subject and book writing), driver (knight bus lol), journalist, musicians (weird sisters), photographers and artists, architect.

And government jobs vary greatly. They aren't all policy making, you have people working with prophesy and unknown magic, plumbers, obliviators, etc.
 
Also Regulus Black.

People don't give enough credit to Regulus, basically his main impact on the story is that he treated a slave (Kreecher) like a person, even the "good guys" treated him like shit and Sirius even was a complete asshole to, and was pissed enough about people mistreating him to fucking plot to destroy the most feared evil wizard in the world.

Now that's a good guy.
 
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And the twins were supposed to be some of Gryffindor's brightest students.
 
And the twins were supposed to be some of Gryffindor's brightest students.
That's... actually a big plothole. No way they wouldn't look at the teachers, including Quirrell sometimes, or not use it so search for Ginny when she disappears. And there is a high chance of them seeing this strange, unfamiliar guy close to Ron often.
 
Guy who literally was born without the capacity of feeling love? i'd wagger to say he was asexual as well.

Totally wizard.

You don't need love to give a lil' luvin'. Plus, i believe he "charmed" that one lady to give up Hufflepuff's cup so he can turn it into a horcrux? Maybe he did it with her?

Well, he WAS showing off his snake to everybody.

Indeed. I'm 100% sure Bellatrix would have wanted to be on that snake all day 'err day
 
You don't need love to give a lil' luvin'. Plus, i believe he "charmed" that one lady to give up Hufflepuff's cup so he can turn it into a horcrux? Maybe he did it with her?

Hepzibah Smith? She was described as an "immensely fat older lady", I'd hope young Tom could have done better. Plus I think he just killed her.

 
Hepzibah Smith? She was described as an "immensely fat older lady", I'd hope young Tom could have done better. Plus I think he just killed her.

Now now, i believe he died a virgin, but there is nothing wrong with being a chubby chaser after some cougar booty.
 
That's... actually a big plothole. No way they wouldn't look at the teachers, including Quirrell sometimes, or not use it so search for Ginny when she disappears. And there is a high chance of them seeing this strange, unfamiliar guy close to Ron often.

I'd always thought that they just used it to sneak around, not necessarily to spy on people. Even that generous view doesn't explain why they don't look for Ginny. Is the basilisk pit on the map?
 
That's... actually a big plothole. No way they wouldn't look at the teachers, including Quirrell sometimes, or not use it so search for Ginny when she disappears. And there is a high chance of them seeing this strange, unfamiliar guy close to Ron often.

Harry Potter as a franchise works best when you don't look too closely. Half the items and spells they introduce in the book are potential plotholes.
 
Yeah it's a common issue in universes where the writer is making stuff up along. Even if Harry would learn all about things like Apparating or portkeys as he grows up, adults would have been familiar with those and use them more commonly from the first book.
You also have things like polyjuice potion that was first meant to be almost impossible to make, and by the end of the saga everybody has its own flask...
 
IIRC, Rowling had several scenes planned out with a Slytherin boy who was on par with Draco in terms of upbringing and family name, but not a complete shit head.

Basically one of the biggest issues with Slytherin in the books is that we see them through the vein of Draco, Crab, Goyle and Pansy Parkinson; a bunch of degenerate shit bags of kids who are some of the main 'school-yard' antagonists of the series. Not every Slytherin is outright evil, or at least, not supposed to be. They're ambitious, they're power hungry, and above almost all, they're self serving.


Which going back to the TMNT is why you would switch Leo and Raph. Leo wants to be a leader, and sure he wants to prove himself, but in the end the biggest thing that would keep Leo out of Slytherin is that he is selfless, while Raphael is more selfish.

The idea that Slytherin only appears as bad as they do because the books focus on Draco and co (and shows Slytherin through the eyes of Harry) is completely undercut when the entire house was willing to sacrifice Harry to Voldemort and when the entire house refused to fight and defend Hogwarts. All of them.
 
The idea that Slytherin only appears as bad as they do because the books focus on Draco and co (and shows Slytherin through the eyes of Harry) is completely undercut when the entire house was willing to sacrifice Harry to Voldemort and when the entire house refused to fight and defend Hogwarts. All of them.

As someone who was sorted into Slytherin, I think I can speak for my Slytherin brothers and sisters and say that we just wanted Neville to become the chosen one. Not that Potter, the filthy scum.
 
I'd always thought that they just used it to sneak around, not necessarily to spy on people. Even that generous view doesn't explain why they don't look for Ginny. Is the basilisk pit on the map?

No, because the Marauders never explored/discovered that part of the castle. (Girl's bathroom, yes, Chamber of Secrets, no.)

Ginny enters girl's bathroom.
Ginny is in there for a few moments.
Ginny vanishes off the map.

The only way Fred and George would have known where she vanished from was if they were spying on their sister as she went to the toilet.
 
No, because the Marauders never explored/discovered that part of the castle. (Girl's bathroom, yes, Chamber of Secrets, no.)

Ginny enters girl's bathroom.
Ginny is in there for a few moments.
Ginny vanishes off the map.

The only way Fred and George would have known where she vanished from was if they were spying on their sister as she went to the toilet.

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That's... actually a big plothole. No way they wouldn't look at the teachers, including Quirrell sometimes, or not use it so search for Ginny when she disappears. And there is a high chance of them seeing this strange, unfamiliar guy close to Ron often.

Perhaps Voldemort wasn't enough of a person in the first book to register on the map?

As for the other ones, I got nothing.
 
Yeah, I can see the map not picking up Voldemort with Quirrel, but nothing really explains them not noticing Peter on the map. As for Ginny, I can see them not following her too much on the map.
 
Yeah, I can see the map not picking up Voldemort with Quirrel, but nothing really explains them not noticing Peter on the map. As for Ginny, I can see them not following her too much on the map.


Especially because Harry does see Petigrew on the map. Proving he does appear.
 
Yeah, I can see the map not picking up Voldemort with Quirrel, but nothing really explains them not noticing Peter on the map. As for Ginny, I can see them not following her too much on the map.

Could be they never bothered looking at Ron while he slept (why would they anyway?) or because Pettigrew went around at night and did other shit.
 
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