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I see this posted by someone:

Approximately 10,000 american citizens are killed annually by intoxicated illegals driving and murders committed by illegals.. And SB 1070 is unjustified? That's thousands more american deaths yearly than total US soldiers that have died in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.. Yet the pubic lacks any sense of outrage or necessity for action? I personally praise our arizona legislature for finally taking some sort of action, although i don't think it will be nearly enough. And for all the people spewing nonsense about it allowing racial profiling, Read The Bill! It allows no such thing, and is fully allowed and warranted under the constitution of the United States of America.

he's talking about the new bill that passed in arizona pretty much requiring all Mexicans to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times or face imprisonment.

anyway, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. How are people so stupid? :lol
 
Why dont you tell him he is stupid instead of telling us?

Facebooks cool, i went and deleted all my friends who update to much, fucking idiots and their retarded crap i dont care about.
 
reaver18 said:
I see this posted by someone:



he's talking about the new bill that passed in arizona pretty much requiring all Mexicans to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times or face imprisonment.

anyway, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. How are people so stupid? :lol
If that stat was true then the state should be doing a better job of cracking down on drunk drivers, regardless of their immigration status.
 
reaver18 said:
I see this posted by someone:



he's talking about the new bill that passed in arizona pretty much requiring all Mexicans to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times or face imprisonment.

anyway, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. How are people so stupid? :lol
God what an idiot.

Ok, so let's use our brains here shall we?

1. Pass legislation requiring "papers".
2. People without papers need to drive anyway.
3. So now, thanks to your "must be a citizen" legislation you're putting more illegal drivers on the road.

Also google is your friend:
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/01/co-the-illegal-immigrant-crime-myth/
But in all the furor, there is this hitch: The perception of high crime rates by illegal immigrants is pure myth. And it is misdirecting public policy about what we really should do to stop illegal immigration. A century of studies has consistently shown that recent immigrants are in fact less likely to commit a crime or be in jail than native Americans.

The last comprehensive national report, by Ruben G. Rumbaut, Walter A. Ewing and the American Immigration Law Foundation, found two years ago that while the number of unauthorized Latino immigrants in the country doubled between 1994 and 2005, violent crime during the same period dropped nearly 35 percent.

Other studies show that the drop fell faster in major illegal immigrant destinations such as Los Angeles and New York than in cities with lower immigration rates. Rumbaut and Ewing reported that U.S-born men ages 18-39 were five times more likely to be in jail than foreign-born ones, even though nearly 30 percent of those foreign-born were here illegally and often jailed for only that offense.

In California, home to the largest illegal immigrant Latino population, immigrants in 2005 made up about 35 percent of California's adult population but accounted for only 17 percent of the prison population, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

What researchers also have found is a Latino paradox: Their incarceration rates go up one generation to the next. Most Latino crime, in other words, is learned here. It is due to higher rates of family disintegration, drug and alcohol addiction, and gang membership.

To be sure, some illegal immigrants join gangs and are involved in the drug trade. But this is a phenomenon that would exist regardless of there being 12 million illegal immigrants here.

For the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants who are law-abiding and have come to the U.S. merely to work, the solution lies in comprehensive reform that imposes controls, but also responds to labor demand by opening pathways to legal temporary work and citizenship.
 
McKeeverFever said:
I find it amusing that even though America is a nation of immigrants, some people have zero tolerance of Immigrants.
New immigrants are always an easy target. Even more so if they don't share the same language, culture, or skin color.
 
McKeeverFever said:
I find it amusing that even though America is a nation of immigrants, some people have zero tolerance of Immigrants.
Yeah, but when my ancestors came to America, they did it without being Mexican. That point seems to get lost on a lot of people.
 
Dresden said:
New immigrants are always an easy target. Even more so if they don't share the same language, culture, or skin color.

Ignorance like this makes me sick, don't these people realize that everyone in the USA apart from the Native Americans where immigrants at one point.
 
I don't see the correlation between carrying papers and reducing alleged crimes, but I also don't see what's wrong with carrying identification.
It's not like the illegals aren't going to stop running like before.
 
Discotheque said:
Intoxicated Illegals?

That sounds like a hype ass band name.
Sounds like a bunch of drunk middle school kids, tbh.

Also, I'm not familiar with this new rule--would a driver's license or a social security card be okay? Or are they asking people to carry about birth certificates and such? I have no idea.
 
Trurl said:
Yeah, but when my ancestors came to America, they did it without being Mexican. That point seems to get lost on a lot of people.

Yeah I don't really get why people don't just drop the Mexican thing and become Caucasians like the rest of us, what a bunch of idiots.
 
McKeeverFever said:
I find it amusing that even though America is a nation of immigrants, some people have zero tolerance of Immigrants.

Immigration is not a problem, it's illegal immigration that's the problem; a problem that is made worse by ignorance and racism by some people.

Plus I thought that you were required to some form of identification on you at all times after 16; though I've never seen anyone ask for ID unless it involves Tobacco or Alcohol.
 
Clockblockers said:
Immigration is not a problem, it's illegal immigration that's the problem; a problem that is made worse by ignorance and racism by some people.

Plus I thought that you were required to some form of identification on you at all times after 16; though I've never seen anyone ask for ID unless it involves Tobacco or Alcohol.

Everyone in the world is entilted to the pursuit of happiness, how many Americans where illegal at one point ? The problem is that everyone just likes pointing the finger, even people who where illegal at one point seem to lose sight of that as they become elitist towards people that are still Illegal.
 
reaver18 said:
I see this posted by someone:



he's talking about the new bill that passed in arizona pretty much requiring all Mexicans to carry proof of citizenship on them at all times or face imprisonment.

anyway, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. How are people so stupid? :lol
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People in this thread must not live in Arizona.
All they're doing is enforcing age old laws. Good for our legislature. It's funny how everyone overlooks the word "Illegal" in Illegal Aliens. Burden on our society. Few pay any taxes, they use by far the most social services and almost all are guilty of identity theft using other people's social security numbers in order to get jobs. (and most will use the same #'s to buy houses, get credit cards, etc etc)

Boo-f-in-who if they get deported for breaking the law of being here illegally. My parents waited in line for years to get into the US. I have no sympathy.
 
Tapiozona said:
People in this thread must not live in Arizona.
All they're doing is enforcing age old laws. Good for our legislature. It's funny how everyone overlooks the word "Illegal" in Illegal Aliens. Burden on our society. Few pay any taxes, they use by far the most social services and almost all are guilty of identity theft using other people's social security numbers in order to get jobs.

Boo-f-in-who if they get deported for breaking the law of being here illegally. My parents waited in line for years to get into the US. I have no sympathy.
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McKeeverFever said:
Everyone in the world is entilted to the pursuit of happiness, how many Americans where illegal at one point ? The problem is that everyone just likes pointing the finger, even people who where illegal at one point seem to lose sight of that as they become elitist towards people that are still Illegal.


I'm willing to bet a lot of current American families immigrated here legally at one time or another (though I have facts on the exact numbers so I'm not going to make something up just to sound right). Just a hunch.

Personally I have no problem with immigration, but I do not support any type of illegal immigration.

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Well the main issue I think is that it's racial profiling. That I can understand but when 99.999999999999999999999% of the illegals in Arizona are hispanic...you'd be stupid not to profile.

I don't understand the big deal. If you're hispanic and you're legal you have absolutely nothing to worry about. The racial profiling is just the only argument opponents can use because they know the law only affects illegals.

The only real issue I see is children who are born here to illegal parents. Parents can get deported and what then do you do with the children? The parents came here to give them a better life so I'm sure they'd want them to stay but at the same time you can't abandom them. My wife is a social worker here and I hear all about the other side of the story. I sympathize but they knew what they were getting into before making the move. You can't fault law enforcment for doing their job.
 
Tapiozona said:
People in this thread must not live in Arizona.
All they're doing is enforcing age old laws. Good for our legislature. It's funny how everyone overlooks the word "Illegal" in Illegal Aliens. Burden on our society. Few pay any taxes, they use by far the most social services and almost all are guilty of identity theft using other people's social security numbers in order to get jobs. (and most will use the same #'s to buy houses, get credit cards, etc etc)

Boo-f-in-who if they get deported for breaking the law of being here illegally. My parents waited in line for years to get into the US. I have no sympathy.

Sounds made up.
 
mac said:
Sounds made up.

No, my wife works in the industry. A vast majority goes to the hispanic community. I can't provide any numbers but I live it and hear about it every single day from someone who is in the thick of it.
 
Tapiozona said:
No, my wife works in the industry. A vast majority goes to the hispanic community. I can't provide any numbers but I live it and hear about it every single day from someone who is in the thick of it.
You sound like an expert. Are Mexican people just shooting themselves in the foot?
 
Tapiozona said:
No, my wife works in the industry. A vast majority goes to the hispanic community. I can't provide any numbers but I live it and hear about it every single day from someone who is in the thick of it.

The illegal immigrant industry?
 
Tapiozona said:
I don't understand the big deal. If you're hispanic and you're legal you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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Other than being potentially pulled over constantly for absolutely no reason other than your race or how you look? Yeah thats fair. Hey lets allow the cops to pull over random black people in LA since most of the gangbangers and drug dealers in that area are black (wait LAPD already does that). You're an idiot.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html
A report that found that illegal immigrants in the United States cost the federal government more than $10 billion a year -- a sum it estimated would almost triple if they were given amnesty -- has drawn criticism from immigration advocacy groups.

The study acknowledged that, on average, the costs that illegal-immigrant households bear on the federal government are less than half that of other households, and that many of those costs relate to their U.S.-born children. It also pointed out that tax payments by illegal-immigrant households constitute one-fourth those of other households because of low-income jobs.

"With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services," Camarota said.

The report estimates that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would dramatically increase their cost, causing the net fiscal deficit to rise to nearly $29 billion because, the author argues, unskilled immigrants would have access to more government services while continuing to make modest tax payments.
but no, anecdotes are better.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Other than being potentially pulled over constantly for absolutely no reason other than your race or how you look? Yeah thats fair. Hey lets allow the cops to pull over random black people in LA since most of the gangbangers and drug dealers in that area are black (wait LAPD already does that). You're an idiot.

Agreed. Basically all the legal Hispanics are going to be so sick of the harassment they get this nullified by the Supreme Court in record time.
 
Tapiozona said:
People in this thread must not live in Arizona.
All they're doing is enforcing age old laws. Good for our legislature. It's funny how everyone overlooks the word "Illegal" in Illegal Aliens. Burden on our society. Few pay any taxes, they use by far the most social services and almost all are guilty of identity theft using other people's social security numbers in order to get jobs. (and most will use the same #'s to buy houses, get credit cards, etc etc)

Boo-f-in-who if they get deported for breaking the law of being here illegally. My parents waited in line for years to get into the US. I have no sympathy.

if they stole someones identity and social to get a job, chances are they are paying taxes.
 
"With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services," Camarota said.

So this quote is saying that they do make heavy use of most social services, but that this heavy use isn't the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit.

Now whether that is accurate (and how you define "heavy use") is another question.
 
I don't think you'll find many people who disagree with the issues that we have with illegal immigration to the US. What you will find is that many people have issues with how this law is crafted, which doesn't address the core issues but instead, is more of a political ploy.

Much like the way our law enforcement and legal systems battle illicit drugs where we end up concentrating on the individuals and recreational users instead of the dealers and smugglers, these laws seem to be destined to failure from the start. You don't solve the problem by arresting the small time users. Along the way, it will eat up the resources of both law enforcement and the legal systems as well as potentially violate the civil rights of many legal immigrants.
 
Tapiozona said:
Well the main issue I think is that it's racial profiling. That I can understand but when 99.999999999999999999999% of the illegals in Arizona are hispanic...you'd be stupid not to profile.

I don't understand the big deal. If you're hispanic and you're legal you have absolutely nothing to worry about. The racial profiling is just the only argument opponents can use because they know the law only affects illegals.

The only real issue I see is children who are born here to illegal parents. Parents can get deported and what then do you do with the children? The parents came here to give them a better life so I'm sure they'd want them to stay but at the same time you can't abandom them. My wife is a social worker here and I hear all about the other side of the story. I sympathize but they knew what they were getting into before making the move. You can't fault law enforcment for doing their job.

wut?
 
Tapiozona said:
Well the main issue I think is that it's racial profiling. That I can understand but when 99.999999999999999999999% of the illegals in Arizona are hispanic...you'd be stupid not to profile.

I don't understand the big deal. If you're hispanic and you're legal you have absolutely nothing to worry about. The racial profiling is just the only argument opponents can use because they know the law only affects illegals.

Joke post right....RIGHT??!???
 
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