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UK's so-called "grooming gangs" get international attention
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Just saying as someone British who has lived for years abroad and then come back ... I've never once felt like my speech has limits, never once even had to slightly worry about that. Because it's not hard not to spew hate.
If you're struggling with that then maybe you're the problem.
If you're struggling with that then maybe you're the problem.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
The problem is child rape gangs made up of Muslims, but calling them a Muslim child rape gang gets you in trouble.
It’s already been branded as “far right narrative” so don’t worry, so long as you turn a blind eye you won’t be “part of the problem”.
The right is trying to rewrite history with its toxic rhetoric on Britain’s rape gangs | Kenan Malik
Girls who have suffered terrible abuse are now being exploited by populists for their own ends
www.theguardian.com
Islam is not to blame for the grooming gangs
A healthy civilisation acknowledges the capacity of man to be evil and mitigates it
www.telegraph.co.uk
Jinzo Prime
Member
What do you define as "hate speech"? I'm genuinely curious.
GymWolf
Member
And gaf gave you a purple avatar for that, we are so proud of you.
AfricanKing
Banned
The problem is child rape gangs made up of Muslims, but calling them a Muslim child rape gang gets you in trouble.
It’s already been branded as “far right narrative” so don’t worry, so long as you turn a blind eye you won’t be “part of the problem”.
The right is trying to rewrite history with its toxic rhetoric on Britain’s rape gangs | Kenan Malik
Girls who have suffered terrible abuse are now being exploited by populists for their own ends
Islam is not to blame for the grooming gangs
A healthy civilisation acknowledges the capacity of man to be evil and mitigates it
Because if you really cared about abuse done by sexual predators at a group level then you wont narrow it down to the race or the perpetrator.
You would be ignoring every other case of it and in the UK its mainly done by white males. The issue is rape gangs, not white or Muslim just gangs of men looking for vulnerable girls to assault.
ValiantInstance
Member
What about the case where a girl was turned away at a police station, then raped by 4 Pakistani men in seperate incidents throughout the night?
Or the Pakistani man who had a young girl in his house, informed the community and something like 17 men came over to rape her?
If I knew one person who would do that, I would beat the shit out of them.
Please lay out your thought process for this not being cultural. There are endless stories about white and sikh girls being targeted because they are 'Kafir' and therefore subhuman. Why are these people in our country?
Tams
Member
'First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.'
People like you are actually the biggest problem. You're a frog being boiled.
And I also came back to the UK after living abroad for a long time.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
What makes me laugh with the white people are pedos narrative as well is this.
UK is 89% white. Of course they're are more white pedos. And yes some operate in groups.
Considering how much the media loves to tell us how evil white people are. If there were a single big gang of white men raping 100s/1000s of children and trafficking them. Why hasn't there been a single news story about it?
Surely the media that's obsessed with hating whites and showing that rape gangs isn't just a Muslim thing would have found one story such as this in the last 20 years. Right?
ValiantInstance
Member
It's typical whishee-washee Guardian reader whataboutism that is the kind of attitude that has allowed this to go on for over 30 years.
He doesn't care about what is objective truth. He wants the answer that lets him get to sleep at night and doesn't question his world view.
Bojji
Member
Let's do some experiment: tell people about Muslim rape gangs on few social media platforms and report us what happens.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Yeah, fat chance of them doing that. More chance of them harping on about how much of a Utopia it is whilst it all goes to shit around them.
Oh, and the added bonus of not actually being here whilst it did. I'm glad they popped back to tell us it's all Rosie
I feel silly for noticing now.
Mistake
Member
Just because you see some bad things happening with a particular group of people, doesn't mean you're ignoring other cases of it. The US had it's own issues when it comes to this stuff, and it was rightfully called out. It's especially egregious when it comes to this point, so if anything you're now downplaying the issue. As it was previously discussed in this thread, middle eastern cultures are more likely to look away on it, so of course it won't go unnoticed.
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Tams
Member
Even if you (wrongly) hand wave away that it was (and may well be still is) Pakistani Muslims forming these rape gangs...
The even worse matter that they weren't pursued and when they were, weren't anywhere near punished enough because the authorities were scared of being accused of racism is much deeper and more worrying. That is something you simply can't wave away with, 'but white people do it too!'
The even worse matter that they weren't pursued and when they were, weren't anywhere near punished enough because the authorities were scared of being accused of racism is much deeper and more worrying. That is something you simply can't wave away with, 'but white people do it too!'
Are we sure it was that and not that they were scared of proving "racists" correct?
Tams
Member
Neff
Member
Correct. But our government is being deliberately ambiguous regarding the legal difference between racially-motivated hate crimes and criticism of governmental policy regarding immigration and two-tier policing, simply to deter dissent regarding the latter. It's dishonest, it's immoral, and it's dangerous.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I'm finding it hard to believe that having disdain towards Pakistani rape gangs is now even considered as 'hate"
What even is this clown shit.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
It seems you are the one struggling with your own native language, since the part after that "because" has no casual relation to what you were saying about not feeling worried about your speech.
Gramatical issues aside, the fact that authorities are more concerned about social media posts than little girls having their anus ripped by subhuman scum tells everything about their (and your) moral compass.
Neff
Member
Labour are trying every trick in the book, and their favourite play is 'you're far-right/you're racist/you're increasing racial tensions'.
They are desperate to control this, because it will quite possibly end them.
This is a man who spent his time as a human rights lawyer travelling the world, on occasions working for free, helping murderers and rapists avoid the death penalty, and being intrumental in abolishing the death penalty in places like Jamaica, which saw murder rates shoot up soon after. He's that type of leftist through and through- criminals are society's true victims, to hell with the proletariat.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Oh you're not wrong, and that's what I'm hoping for in the long run.
GymWolf
Member
Do jailed people have internet access in prison?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The emotional blackmail they dialed up to 1,000 berating people over the past couple of decades has worked.
Wheeljack539
Member
It could potentially be bigger than just them. We hear about Epstein's list and Diddy's list and who knows who else that has managed to remain anonymous and something like this could potentially tear it all open with who could be implicated.
The Mad Draklor
Member
He's like this before the politics section got nuked. The only thing that surprised me is that it took him this long to insert himself into the conversation to run defense for straight-out pedo criminals. Whether he's just plain dumb or decided to account suicide, who knows...
P:axMagellanic
Member
You were given the axe so I won't get a reply.
But those alleged roving gangs of white male rapist's can hang alongside the pakistani gangs as far as I'm concerned.
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Liljagare
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Liar: The Fake Grooming Scandal (TV Special 2024) ⭐ 6.0 | Documentary
Liar: The Fake Grooming Scandal: Directed by Jack Rampling. Twenty-two-year-old Ellie Williams was jailed for lying about being trafficked and raped by a vicious Asian grooming gang. Now, for the first time, the truth is laid open.
www.imdb.com
BBC is on the damage control.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I would be careful with smug proclamations of virtue. What happens one day when your government suddenly decides that the things you are comfortable saying are now "spewing hate" because they invented some new protected class? Where is the line between government control and personal freedom?
It's not exactly a reach considering it's actually happening right now in an attempt to prevent criticism of their inaction in this case. Making the observation of empirical evidence that this happened in an organized fashion at the hands of Pakistani immigrant men is not Islamophobia. But it sure seems like councils are trying to make it Islamophobia so they can classify it as hate speech to silence the criticism.
"Say what you want as long as the government is ok with it" is not freedom. If someone thinks it is then they've been successfully indoctrinated. If someone says nasty things then let society ostracize and isolate them. Don't put them in jail and force society to feed and house them.
Brigandier
Member
Sonik
Member
"My opinions are in line with the regime's core interests and they have never suppressed my speech therefore the country has free speech!"
In other news North Korean regime loyalists also have free speech!
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
The statistics show that abuse rings are not ‘predominantly’ run by ethnic-minority men — there’s much more to it than that
www.thetimes.com
"The biggest surprise was in the ethnicity data. Among those offences we know about in 2023, 83 per cent were committed by white people — broadly in line with the general population. About 2 per cent were committed by Pakistani men, also broadly in line with the population."
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BlackTron
Member
Fixed that for ya, mate.
Sonik
Member
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
The statistics show that abuse rings are not ‘predominantly’ run by ethnic-minority men — there’s much more to it than that
"The biggest surprise was in the ethnicity data. Among those offences we know about in 2023, 83 per cent were committed by white people — broadly in line with the general population. About 2 per cent were committed by Pakistani men, also broadly in line with the population."
Is this like when systemic media say "British man rapes 12 year old" and then by mistake the photo of the suspect is released to the public and it's obviously a second gen immigrant or first gen that got citizenship? We've seen a shitload of photos of grooming gang suspects and yet these fucks are trying to gaslight us that only 2% is from Pakistani immigrants, what a bunch of obnoxious gaslighting horseshit
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BlackTron
Member
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
The statistics show that abuse rings are not ‘predominantly’ run by ethnic-minority men — there’s much more to it than that
This entire story is about the government trying its damnedest to brush rapes under the rug to avoid racial tensions. I applaud an effort to get to the bottom of the truth with data, but this article reads like a deflection. It's government data! It tries to leave an out by admitting the numbers are incomplete, but it's just a thinly veiled excuse to state "But the wider point is that life-changing child sexual abuse is much bigger than grooming gang offences, as appalling as those are". The crux of this article is whataboutism...for other rapes.
The Times is such a joke. A new low for me.
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Bojji
Member
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
The statistics show that abuse rings are not ‘predominantly’ run by ethnic-minority men — there’s much more to it than that
"The biggest surprise was in the ethnicity data. Among those offences we know about in 2023, 83 per cent were committed by white people — broadly in line with the general population. About 2 per cent were committed by Pakistani men, also broadly in line with the population."
Most of the cases were not prosecuted and they tried to hide the whole thing from general population for decades so how can data like this be accurate?
Meanwhile in germany. 2017 article:
Migrants and rape: unveiling myths and facts about the dark side of the refugee crisis
Migrants in Germany have repeatedly come under fire for allegedly committing violent acts against women. But are those statistics misleading?
www.infomigrants.net
More recent:
Germany is acknowledging the unspeakable | Andrew Hammel | The Critic Magazine
In spring 2024, Herbert Reul, Interior Minister of Germany’s most populous state(22 million inhabitants), Northern Rhine-Westphalia, said something remarkable: “We have a problem with non-German…
Those statistics are overall sex crimes and not "only" the ones performed on minors but picture is quite clear.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's not the media saying it. It's from the National Police Chiefs Council. You can look it up if you're so inclined.
The Independent says the same thing... It's just reporting what the NPCC found.
Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say
Elon Musk has used his platform X to wage an online campaign against the government over the issue of grooming gangs.
www.the-independent.com
Sonik
Member
It's not the media saying it. It's from the National Police Chiefs Council. You can look it up if you're so inclined.
The Independent says the same thing... It's just reporting what the NPCC found.
Most grooming gang offences carried out by white men, police chiefs say
Elon Musk has used his platform X to wage an online campaign against the government over the issue of grooming gangs.
All these systemic institutions work for the same status quo of neoliberal psychopaths. Btw is the source part of the same institution that covered up the rapes, were asking the victims if they did anything to provoke the rapes and tried to intimidate them when they came out with their stories?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I don't live in the UK so I'm not going into anecdotes or second hand knowledge (admittedly I don't know much about this whole thing) but 2% of the population can't have done all this to 1000000 children in the UK. That's preposterous and impossible. There may be a problem with police trying not to look "racist" and that should be corrected. If they did the crime, prosecute to the fullest extent!
Sonik
Member
I like how you believe the bullshit they're spoonfeeding you and then make arguments based on it. There are countless articles of victims being intimidated UK police, of victims testifying that UK police tried to blame them and hide the Muslim rape gang stories, of victims feeling abandoned by the UK government. And you have the audacity to ask me to believe these fucks
Btw when I talk about neoliberal psychopaths I'm including the conservative party, they're all working for the same billionaire masters that want to keep importing cheap slaves to keep wages low and the population divided, as with almost every decision that screws over the majority this is about money and greed of a bunch of psychopaths and their puppets
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Hear hear.
You can disagree with me but I'm an English teacher with a degree in linguistics, so my grammar is probably a stupid line of attack. There's nothing wrong with having "because" (as a subordinating conjunction) start a new sentence for stylistic reasons. I'm assuming you meant "causal" relation and there clearly is one; maybe it's not your native language.
Anyway, I can see my post wasn't popular. I wonder how many of the responders aren't British. I could go out on the high street right now and protest Muslim rape gangs all I want. It's if that protest turned into racial hatred that I'd have an issue - again, it's easy not to do that.
People like Tommy Robinson are scum, and not very bright scum at that, as they could make their points without falling foul of the law.
Edit: that's not to say the police/prosecution didn't fail to do their job properly because of concerns over racial harmony, let's just not get carried away extrapolating from that and imagine that we live in some dystopic nightmare where we're scared of breathing a word of dissent. The strength of America's free speech laws is kind of unique to it but that doesn't mean other countries have none.
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BlackTron
Member
In the view of UK Police, is there a difference between specifying that rape gangs are Muslim and "spewing hate"? Can you try to help us grasp what it is?
Ironically I first read "going out on high street" in a "dying on a hill" context, but that's not how you meant it, at least not intentionally.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Yeah you could go out on the high street and start protesting, I guarantee if you started at 11:00 you'll see plod arriving by 12.
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Sonik
Member
This is absolutely delusional, you'd be arrested for "breach of peace", I've seen plenty of videos of people arrested in UK for it that had done nothing. My dude, you have no idea what's going on in your own country
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