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[GymWolf]

Yes.....me, its me talking to me, but many versions of me giving all opinions of each action. Like I said before it's like the me/self is head of a table in a board room, and the other me's (personalities, confidence, doubt, empathy, delusion, right, wrong) are given their own opinion on every outcome of any situation. This is none stop all the time.
Sometimes it's arguing, sometimes it's joking, sometimes it's literally like a film and a narrator to voicing shit as I go about my everyday life.
The narrator can also conjure imagery to said conversation, like your playing out scenarios that will never happen, but need to be considered. Like a court room, like one part of my narrator will be like "self (inc) take exhibit A scenario as evidence, as to why you should/shouldn't do this"


It is never silent in my head, I can't even imagine what that's like to have nothing but silence and a void of nothing.....

I have a brain that never stop aswell, this is what cause my chronic insomnia.

But more than having voices i just never stop thinking about things.

I just don't put much thoughts (pun intended) on how my brain work like some of you.

 

[GymWolf]

Sorry bud, but an internal narrator is real. And yes, going to sleep is sometimes difficult when it doesn't stop.

I have insomnia but i don't have any narrator that keeps me up, i just can't stop thinking about things.

 

[INC]

I have a brain that never stop aswell, this is what cause my chronic insomnia.

But more than having voices i just never stop thinking about things.

I just don't put much thoughts (pun intended) on how my brain work like some of you.

Of course your brain doesn't stop, but some have no internal dialogue at all. Like they can walk around a shop and it's nothing.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Musician as in play an instrument no, but I do make music, and most of the time I make music that I see in my mind, as much I hear it, so it's like it's a conversation of imagery, but made up Sonically.........don't think I'm wording that correctly

That's exactly why I'm drawn to electronic soundscapes so much.

It let's the imagination run wild when you hear music that you can't even describe with words.

 

[GymWolf]

Of course your brain doesn't stop, but some have no internal dialogue at all. Like they can walk around a shop and it's nothing.

I think it's a matter of semantics at this point, i don't hear any voice or narrator when my brain can't stop thinking about things because i don't consider thoughts like voices or a narrator.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

I think it's a matter of semantics at this point, i don't hear any voice or narrator when my brain can't stop thinking about things because i don't consider thoughts like voices or a narrator.

You are the narrator! It's not a distant voice that tells you anything. It's you thinking about things.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

The modern era is the zenith of the enlightenment era, which happened after the ancient era. If you prefer ancient thinkers and dislike modern science, you are anti-enlightenment.

And you never addressed anything that I actually said, you just threw a bunch of inflammatory rhetoric my way. "You are anti enlightenment" is a laughably loaded statement.

Until you actually make a statement of substance as per my initial statements, I have no desire to further respond.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

You are the narrator! It's not a distant voice that tells you anything. It's you thinking about things.

Must be nice to be so sure

 

[Wheeljack539]

inner monologue yes. Seeing stuff in my mind , no. I’m creative when drawing or making music so my outlet is direct irl and not imaginary.

Thought is more abstract and layered than simple visualization. Can do it with eyes open, if that makes sense.

I like to draw and it frustrates me when I have a hard time mentally putting an image down to paper. It's like I can "see" it but the moment I have that pencil down large parts of it just "go away".

Wonder if it's like lucid dreaming training, which is awesome when you get it to work.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Must be nice to be so sure

It's a simplification since it will be different for every individual how this plays out in your head.

 

[GymWolf]

You are the narrator! It's not a distant voice that tells you anything. It's you thinking about things.

But there is no voice in my thoughts, at all.

Like i said, this is all a matter of semantics, our brains work all the same except people who can actually see music.

 

[GymWolf]

It's a simplification since it will be different for every individual how this plays out in your head.

Exactly, i think people use words like voices or narrator where other people just descrive this stuff with other words.

This shit is so fucking abstract that you can't really have a standard nomenclature.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Exactly, i think people use words like voices or narrator where other people just descrive this stuff with other words.

This shit is so fucking abstract that you can't really have a standard nomenclature.

Yes, it doesn't have to mean that you actually hear a voice. It's the way you think for yourself and how you picture it inside your mind.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

It's a simplification since it will be different for every individual how this plays out in your head.

Well sure. Just saying it would be nice to be sure your thoughts are you own =P

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Creativity is not tied to imagination and / or visualization.

This leads us to the flow state, which is oftentimes personified by a lack of audible thought.

Exactly, i think people use words like voices or narrator where other people just descrive this stuff with other words.

This shit is so fucking abstract that you can't really have a standard nomenclature.

Agreed. It would be nice if there were any form of education about this very subject and/or standard nomenclature that we could adopt.

It reminds me of English only having one word for love, whereas romance languages (lol) have several words to denote differing types of love. When we are not given the tools to properly define components of the reality we live in, it becomes exceedingly difficult to make sense of things.

What if we didnt have a word for the color blue? We could certainly describe phenomena like the color of a clear sky, but we would have to resort to metaphor and abstraction.

also psa sorry for being wanky in this thread mates, I just have fun with this shit

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

Yes, it doesn't have to mean that you actually hear a voice. It's the way you think for yourself and how you picture it inside your mind.

Perhaps but when one gets to a point where they are doubting certain thoughts being of their own. Well... There's no way back =)

 

[Azelover]

I'm an artist, so I have visualization, but I can't chat with myself. At best I will go "I have to do this tomorrow" but nothing beyond that.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

This leads us to the flow state, which is oftentimes personified by a lack of audible thought.

Agreed. It would be nice if there were any form of education about this very subject and/or standard nomenclature that we could adopt.

It reminds me of English only having one word for love, whereas romance languages (lol) have several words to denote differing types of love. When we are not given the tools to properly define components of the reality we live in, it becomes exceedingly difficult to make sense of things.

What if we didnt have a word for the color blue? We could certainly describe phenomena like the color of a clear sky, but we would have to resort to metaphor and abstraction.

also psa sorry for being wanky in this thread mates, I just have fun with this shit

Why sorry when getting to the root of it all.

 

[Wildebeest]

And you never addressed anything that I actually said, you just threw a bunch of inflammatory rhetoric my way. "You are anti enlightenment" is a laughably loaded statement.

Until you actually make a statement of substance as per my initial statements, I have no desire to further respond.

It isn't inflammatory or loaded, it is history.

 

[Con_Z_ǝdʇ]

Well sure. Just saying it would be nice to be sure your thoughts are you own =P

Perhaps but when one gets to a point where they are doubting certain thoughts being of their own. Well... There's no way back =)

I mean your thoughts are influenced by many things. They are yours because you thought about it. How you developed a certain thought is a different question.

 

[Wheeljack539]

I will note, that having an internal narrator, or having one of them that's disposed to the negative, utterly sucks if you have any kind of anxiety issues, mild or extreme. And like the bastard that it is overpowers the nicer one.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

I wish I didn't

It's just constantly putting me down lol the subject of the mind is always a weird one for me..

Inner monologue hates me and if it looks like I'm thinking its just static up there.

 

[GymWolf]

This leads us to the flow state, which is oftentimes personified by a lack of audible thought.

Agreed. It would be nice if there were any form of education about this very subject and/or standard nomenclature that we could adopt.

It reminds me of English only having one word for love, whereas romance languages (lol) have several words to denote differing types of love. When we are not given the tools to properly define components of the reality we live in, it becomes exceedingly difficult to make sense of things.

What if we didnt have a word for the color blue? We could certainly describe phenomena like the color of a clear sky, but we would have to resort to metaphor and abstraction.

also psa sorry for being wanky in this thread mates, I just have fun with this shit

I get wanky when i watch porns, we all have our quirks, don't worry.

 

[INC]

I will note, that having an internal narrator, or having one of them that's disposed to the negative, utterly sucks if you have any kind of anxiety issues, mild or extreme. And like the bastard that it is overpowers the nicer one.

Yep, it governs everything, and can't be reasoned with sometimes

I should really go talk to someone about it, but it's only recently that I've realised that not everyone brain works this way, I honestly thought all this was just normal......

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

I don’t visualize music but I often make my own personal sound track it’s oftenlike I have the Curb Your Enthusiasm band following me around my daily life.

 

[Northeastmonk]

This is one of the many reasons to why I don’t enjoy listening to music or I have to stay in a particular realm of audio. I visualize the music and it becomes far too edgy for me to enjoy it. As weird as that sounds. I think I have some form of misophonia.

 

[V1LÆM]

I argue with myself all the time in my head! Sometimes I wish I had no voice so I might get some peace and quiet! At times I will tell myself to shut the fuck up lol. It does seem crazy to me that people don't have this.

When it comes to music I can see it in colours in my mind. A song could be orange, blue, red, green, white. The same is for letters and numbers. For example, E/Y/3 are yellow, A/2 is blue, W/4 is red, F is orange, X is black, 8 is green. I'm not gonna list every number and letter but you get the idea!

With music it's like having my own visualiser. Classical, ambient, or electronic music is the most intense because I see lines of lights moving and twisting, shapes forming and warping, and "fireworks". It's hard to describe really but i imagine the music painting a picture.

 

[INC]

I argue with myself all the time in my head! Sometimes I wish I had no voice so I might get some peace and quiet! At times I will tell myself to shut the fuck up lol. It does seem crazy to me that people don't have this.

When it comes to music I can see it in colours in my mind. A song could be orange, blue, red, green, white. The same is for letters and numbers. For example, E/Y/3 are yellow, A/2 is blue, W/4 is red, F is orange, X is black, 8 is green. I'm not gonna list every number and letter but you get the idea!

With music it's like having my own visualiser. Classical, ambient, or electronic music is the most intense because I see lines of lights moving and twisting, shapes forming and warping, and "fireworks". It's hard to describe really but i imagine the music painting a picture.

Sonic imagery

On top of this, what I fimd interesting, is technically music is visual, because it's all frequency based. And this isn't a million miles away from the fractual visuals you get on hallucinogenic

Maybe there's a connection to all this somewhere.....

 

[PuppetMaster]

There is a book I read on this exact topic: The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This is where I first learned of this phenomenon where some people have this internal monlogue and some don't.

He speculates that in pre-historical humans it originally did not exist at all. Because it is not possible until Language was invented/fully developed. And that humans did not become conscious, in the modern sense, until they started living together in bigger groups and languages was developed.

He goes even further to speculate that in ancient humans (that ones that first developed language) gained this ability in the form where they had multiple voices in there head. Not a single "I" voice. But more like other people telling you what to do. He comes to this conclusion from analysis of ancient writings.

His theory goes that in ancient humans they had a voice telling them what to do. And they mistook those to be their ancestors or thier gods. And that it was the origin for what evolved into religion. Think of the story of when Abraham said God told him to sacrifice his son etc. These types of stories are very common in ancient literature.

He tries to back up his ideas by showing that in modern humans this phenomenon of having multiple voices still occurs and is documented in medical literature. Though nowadays we mostly associate the trait with insane people.

 

[GymWolf]

Doesn't some people see colors and shapes when they do complicate math? or maybe it was a thing from a movie, i can't remember.

 

[INC]

Doesn't some people see colors and shapes when they do complicate math? or maybe it was a thing from a movie, i can't remember.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Doesn't some people see colors and shapes when they do complicate math? or maybe it was a thing from a movie, i can't remember.

Yep! Someone wrote an article comparing different ways people work with mathematics - specifically "shape rotation" vs "gramattical mathematics" - symbols vs words that may be a step separated from symbols.



As a note, this shit is WAY beyond me, I can grasp the basic foundations of what they are saying but all the mathematics goes over my head. I found this article though an interview the author did with someone who operates a website comprised entirely of anti-languages, languages created via machine learning specifically to keep normal folks from being able to understand what is being said.

 

[Alebrije]

Every mind works different, there are people that can not imagine a bird, others just can get it on basic shapes, others full color and texture and other the bird moving ...

Basically there are 8 bit Nes people and 4K 30 fps PS5 people. And a lot between them.

 

[Kilau]

Not when he says "Oh shit, here it comes!"

It's mostly.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

If Neuralink get their way we might all have an Elon 9000 bot as our narrator.

 

[Wildebeest]

This is one of the many reasons to why I don’t enjoy listening to music or I have to stay in a particular realm of audio. I visualize the music and it becomes far too edgy for me to enjoy it. As weird as that sounds. I think I have some form of misophonia.

That's sounds more like hyperphantasia. Misophonia is something else like not being able to stand the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard, but for many sounds that don't bother other people at all like eating or typing.

 

[Northeastmonk]

That's sounds more like hyperphantasia. Misophonia is something else like not being able to stand the sound of nails scratching a chalkboard, but for many sounds that don't bother other people at all like eating or typing.

Thanks for this suggesting this. It feels like it’s been a blessing and a curse. I’ve seen therapists as a kid and as an adult. I don’t believe i am bipolar and as an adult none of my therapists ever thought I was bipolar. They’d want to talk about my relationships more than how I felt. It didn’t feel like a type of mood disorder. It felt more like I could relate to people with a distaste for something that was bugging me and it’s because it wasn’t something I could ever talk about. I could have an extreme sense of my own imagination. I’ve only noticed it in the last couple years. One day I could listen to music and the next it was bloody murder. I had Apple Music for the last six months and there were so many emotions about what I would listen to. Some days I’d just shut it off and listen to the road. Today was the day my free six months expired and I’m actually relieved. I’m not disgusted by the big corporate Apple Music service, but I’m relieved that I don’t have to be bothered by having access to countless musicians.

 

[FunkMiller]

 

[Wildebeest]

Thanks for this suggesting this. It feels like it’s been a blessing and a curse. I’ve seen therapists as a kid and as an adult. I don’t believe i am bipolar and as an adult none of my therapists ever thought I was bipolar. They’d want to talk about my relationships more than how I felt. It didn’t feel like a type of mood disorder. It felt more like I could relate to people with a distaste for something that was bugging me and it’s because it wasn’t something I could ever talk about. I could have an extreme sense of my own imagination. I’ve only noticed it in the last couple years. One day I could listen to music and the next it was bloody murder. I had Apple Music for the last six months and there were so many emotions about what I would listen to. Some days I’d just shut it off and listen to the road. Today was the day my free six months expired and I’m actually relieved. I’m not disgusted by the big corporate Apple Music service, but I’m relieved that I don’t have to be bothered by having access to countless musicians.

I don't really know anything about it, but if it really bothers you, then maybe there is some way to contact someone who is studying it.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

If Neuralink get their way we might all have an Elon 9000 bot as our narrator.

Then his dream of impregnating every woman on the planet will finally be achieved, even if only vicariously.

 

[V1LÆM]

Sonic imagery

On top of this, what I fimd interesting, is technically music is visual, because it's all frequency based. And this isn't a million miles away from the fractual visuals you get on hallucinogenic

Maybe there's a connection to all this somewhere.....

Yeah what I see can be quite trippy. I get why people listen to music and get high lol.

That video is interesting but I wouldn't say that's exactly what I see. I wish I could describe it better but I suck at words lol.

The opening credits of Rings of Power tv show has the same idea as that video. In Tolkiens lore there is something called the "Music of the Ainur" which is what existed before time and the creation of the world. Without getting too much into it there is some connections to the mind and thought. The opening theme is meant to be the music of the ainur and it creates all the different shapes.

 

[bitbydeath]

I do, but only remember it rarely. I dont think dreams are "vision" either. Its more like the fake memory of something you saw. Ive never literally seen something comparable to eyesight in a dream. I've had memory of seeing something, and I think most people just blur that distinction completely.

Dreams are interact-able, and with some learning you can literally do anything within it.

Flying is often my goto.

 

[Punished Miku]

Dreams are interact-able, and with some learning you can literally do anything within it.

Flying is often my goto.

Visually seeing flight as an actual visual image? Or thinking through a thought composite of flight based on past reference? I dont know. You can read a book about flight and feel it without seeing it.

 

[bitbydeath]

Visually seeing flight as an actual visual image? Or thinking through a thought composite of flight based on past reference? I dont know. You can read a book about flight and feel it without seeing it.

Actively controlling flight and doing what I want in the moment. No video, everything is real-time.

As an avid horror fan I taught myself Lucid Dreaming young after first watching Elm Street 3.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Well that's not a motivation for learning lucid dreaming I've ever heard before, haha.

Good on you! It takes lots of effort and discipline to do so. I haven't managed to muster the focus to train myself in it and lucid moments are more happenstance.

Flying rocks and is generally my go to, too. Whenever I fly I am also hit with a sense of elation and complete liberation, does that happen to you?

 

[bitbydeath]

Well that's not a motivation for learning lucid dreaming I've ever heard before, haha.

Good on you! It takes lots of effort and discipline to do so. I haven't managed to muster the focus to train myself in it and lucid moments are more happenstance.

Flying rocks and is generally my go to, too. Whenever I fly I am also hit with a sense of elation and complete liberation, does that happen to you?

Yeah, it is great. Recognising your in a dream is what helps me gain control, you kind of have to turn on your brain to take full control. (Or at least that’s how it works for me)

I’ve also used it to just exit dreams/nightmares entirely and wake-up as well.

Oh, and Elm Street 3 was my introduction to Lucid Dreaming because that’s what they do in the movie. The first touched on it slightly but not to that extent.

 

[Artoris]

Dreams are interact-able, and with some learning you can literally do anything within it.

Flying is often my goto.

I have that as well

 

[Days like these...]

This literally blows my mind, how don't some people have this? I have more than 1 narrator at any 1 time, discussing shit 24/7

Also some people don't Visually see music within their own mind, it conjures nothing Visually at all.......I picture it in full colour and 3d, almost like a film playing out

Isn't the narrator where the devil and angel on your shoulder comes from, apparently its not as common as I thought....ie, everyone has it

You sound crazy get help

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

Wish I could fucking turn it off before going to bed...

 

[INC]

I sound crazy you say