INC
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So ive just learnt that some people dont have an internal monologue/narrator........
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You trying to give me a quest/mission npc?
Another Iori
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I after reading this discussion that I can no longer understand what is common by the law of large numbers and what is due to special exceptions.
NeoIkaruGAF
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You shit coffee?I can't actively shit and drink coffee at the same time
NinjaBoiX
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This is insane to me. Like, I read about your housemate struggling to visualise an orange, and so I visualised an orange purely as a side effect. It’s like asking someone not to think about a donkey, it seems like an impossible task to me.
Are these people shocked by what things look like every time they see them or something?
Genuinely can’t fathom this phenomena…
INC
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Apparently it's a thing, I've asked a few people I know about it, and they can't picture things in their head.
How they learn anything is beyond me
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
I've seen music on mushrooms. The close I can describe it as is swirls of like an electric black, and purple and green flowing
Mossybrew
Banned
I have to assume these people are somehow misinterpreting the question, like you can't do something as basic as remember what your mom's face looks like? If you can close your eyes and imagine what your mom looks like, there, you can picture things in your head. I mean, anyone who really can't do this, I don't know how they'd function, it would be like a major disability.
INC
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This was my argument, I broke it down very clearly and simply, and they couldnt visualise an object, so they're either lying gor whatever reason, or just can't
Either is mental to me.......
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SirTerry-T
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Another Iori
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I think that the main problem with this discussion is the terms chosen, which the creator of this discussion has decided to use for defining his feelings.
For example, let us start with 'Narrator'. In entertainment a narrator can be external or internal to the story: in the former case it is somewhat when the author of the book speaks to the reader by saying 'Once upon a time,' while in the latter case, it is usually when a character talks about an event that happened in the past, which he has personally experienced.
So, if we were to take what INC says literally, it is as if he is saying that he has someone outside of his identity, which using the channel of the thought tells him a story, but is really this that he intended or he has simply done an incorrect use of the words?
For example, let us start with 'Narrator'. In entertainment a narrator can be external or internal to the story: in the former case it is somewhat when the author of the book speaks to the reader by saying 'Once upon a time,' while in the latter case, it is usually when a character talks about an event that happened in the past, which he has personally experienced.
So, if we were to take what INC says literally, it is as if he is saying that he has someone outside of his identity, which using the channel of the thought tells him a story, but is really this that he intended or he has simply done an incorrect use of the words?
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INC
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INC
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We can all see music
Yes this, but can you visualise it inside your brain, in sync to the music, and not just random peaks?
Reizo Ryuu
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I see nothing but full stories with camera angles and sometimes even dialogue when listening to music; it's how I get my creative juices flowing.
The other day I was waiting for the train and I looked at a building in the distance, I then pictured myself flying to the sign on top of the building and looking back at the train station and being kinda impressed by how fast the brain can "render" something.
This happens without too much effort so yeah it's kinda wild that some people can't visualise anything, so wild I don't really believe it, they probably just have more difficulty describing what they are seeing.
The other day I was waiting for the train and I looked at a building in the distance, I then pictured myself flying to the sign on top of the building and looking back at the train station and being kinda impressed by how fast the brain can "render" something.
This happens without too much effort so yeah it's kinda wild that some people can't visualise anything, so wild I don't really believe it, they probably just have more difficulty describing what they are seeing.
Jsisto
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Your brain has to have some kind of frame of reference for things to conjure up in your head, otherwise you’d constantly be in a state of complete shock as everything you experience is being experienced for the first time. Which in itself is kind of a paradox, because how would you even be able to experience it at all if your brain couldn’t do this. I don’t believe it.
killatopak
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You mean to say not all people can visualize porn in their heads?
None of you would have survived before the internet.
None of you would have survived before the internet.
Is that one step up from this?
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NeoIkaruGAF
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Maiden Voyage
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TerribleAtThisGame
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It just means I've gone full Gwyneth Paltrow
Grildon Tundy
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I can picture just about anything, but it's gone in a flash unless I really focus.
I'm more of a verbal thinker, although that inner monologue disappears when I'm especially drunk or altered or in a flow state, so maybe people who don't have inner monologues are lucky; Drunk/high/flow states are way more fun.
I'm more of a verbal thinker, although that inner monologue disappears when I'm especially drunk or altered or in a flow state, so maybe people who don't have inner monologues are lucky; Drunk/high/flow states are way more fun.
kvltus lvlzvs
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Not sure, but it may be a thing that requires practice to develop, akin to lucid dreaming. From my personal experience, having something "answer back" requires a much more concentrated state - somewhat akin to a meditative state. If I spend too much time engrossed in normal day to day shit, it doesn't happen. Not because the voice isn't there, but that I am not listening or asking it questions. I have to sit down and, with focus, ask a question about something in my life.
That being said, one thing this thread makes clear is that there are a myriad of different modalities of internal thought and perception and not everything takes place in a linguistic manner, and not everything that takes place in a linguistic manner is the same as everything else that takes place in a linguistic manner.
Which takes me back to a previous statement of mine, that recognition of internal senses should absolutely be a part of basic education. That is also why I am enjoying this thread so much.
Tams
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I can instantly start a conversation with myself, often a debate. I also quite frequently have to catch myself doing it in company, especially as I do like to do it out loud.
But I definitely do not have a constant monologue going on. Not only is it not constant, but I don't talk about what I'm doing or will soon do to myself much. Rather, it's mostly theoretical stuff; daydreaming even.
But I definitely do not have a constant monologue going on. Not only is it not constant, but I don't talk about what I'm doing or will soon do to myself much. Rather, it's mostly theoretical stuff; daydreaming even.
64bitmodels
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64bitmodels
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I definitely do have internal thoughts and if there's no electronic device in the vicinity i can spend minutes just daydreaming scenarios and thinking to myself about stuff and scenarios... I love how imaginative and spastic my head is, it's like sensory overload but you can only think it, not see it
one thing that's a but fun/unfun about my head is how songs will just keep playing over and over with no end or stop to it, it's insane. i'll be thinking about the same song over and over and the only real solution to it is to actually listen to it, which isn't feasible all the time...
INC
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That the imagery the question and answer basses, conjure and the visuals I get
Robots arguing or having a conversation, like an edm versions of fantasia..(the Disney film.....)
64bitmodels
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INC
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So when u hear this, when it drops, u can't visualize a male robot and female robot arguing about why the male robot is late from pub, the female robot slowly getting more pissed off......just me then.....
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BlackTron
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I listened to tons of geeky concept albums as a teen. In particular I had a love affair with The Odyssey by Symphony X, a LONG track that started with a bombastic section totally lacking lyrics that was meant to convey the invasion of Troy. After a few minutes of this, Odysseus gets lost at sea and the lyrics kick in to convey this. The idea that some people could know this story, listen to this track and not conceptualize the invasion of Troy during the sweeping dynamic opening seems bizarre to me. So you wouldn't picture, even for a flash of a second, the idea of the trojan horse, the fleet of warships, the clashing swords and spears, you just wouldn't think of anything? Totally blank? It's the same way Final Destination music makes me picture Nintendo characters dodging and punching like a DBZ battle, it's an associative battle soundtrack.
If I hear the Imperial March I will see dagger-shaped Star Destroyers against a starry black backdrop in my minds eye. I'm not watching a movie in my brain or getting a reference studio model, but it's a ISD. You guys are saying you can't do this? You will hear something iconic like that, and your head comes up blank? Hard to believe something important isn't getting lost along the way in translation here.
If I hear the Imperial March I will see dagger-shaped Star Destroyers against a starry black backdrop in my minds eye. I'm not watching a movie in my brain or getting a reference studio model, but it's a ISD. You guys are saying you can't do this? You will hear something iconic like that, and your head comes up blank? Hard to believe something important isn't getting lost along the way in translation here.
Raphael
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I dont know if anyone suggested this as im not going to go through the 4 pages but - i have that to. And the quantity of thought you are describing means that very likely you have ADD. I am the same. I am Just nearing a diagnosis at Age 35 and understanding this and researching what it entails has completely blown my mind and allowed me to understand so much of my behaviours.
If you are undiagnosed then i recommend you look it up to see if you have other symptoms as well. ADD is not what you see in the movies.
Edit: also ready about your sleeping and driving patterns now. It fits as well. I have those to.
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INC
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I have been told I have tendencies of ADD, as well as neurodivergent, never been tested or felt the need to........or how it could benefit knowing if I do
Raphael
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Also you mate. See my post above. Cant sleep due to thoughts rushing through non stop is a big ADD symptom.
Raphael
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If you dont have difficulties in life and stuff is going well then cool, no need i guess.
If you have trouble focusing and forcing yourself to do mundane stuff or you jump work very frequently then i would suggest to have a look in youtube how the meds changed the lifes of people.
Something to keep at the back of the head for future once you might start getting burnout episodes.
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TheInfamousKira
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I don't know if I'd call it synesthsia but I very clearly correlate songs to specific colors, something about the instruments or the mixing, there are legit some albums that I can list off the color associations quicker than the actual tracks. I'm not a flower child, so I don't think it makes me in tune with the universe or some 420 Blaze it shit like that, but it's definitely a thing I experience.
INC
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Odd you say that, just fucked off work because I can deal with and just want to fester in my own thoughts, have high highs and low lows, add on to that the massive overthinking with multiple narrators plotting out every outcome good or bad, it's makes for interesting abyss thinking
64bitmodels
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that's the best part about overthinking, you have free entertainment no matter where you go because your head is about as wacky and demented as any tv show. just don't get too engrossed in it....Odd you say that, just fucked off work because I can deal with and just want to fester in my own thoughts, have high highs and low lows, add on to that the massive overthinking with multiple narrators plotting out every outcome good or bad, it's makes for interesting abyss thinking
GymWolf
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i think i'm good, i still manage to sleep 4-5 hours per night.
INC
Member
I hear ya, this has been my biggest issue from childhood through to adulthood. Only recently, with a close circle of people in my life, that I feel free to express these thoughts, which is a very alien thing for me
Raphael
Member
Yep, and it all fits. Would recommend researching this topic at least.Odd you say that, just fucked off work because I can deal with and just want to fester in my own thoughts, have high highs and low lows, add on to that the massive overthinking with multiple narrators plotting out every outcome good or bad, it's makes for interesting abyss thinking
Eye opening when so many issues in life suddenly make sense.
Meds wont change you, will allow you to act & focus like a normal person. Its basically diabetees of the brain. You cant cure it but you can help facilitate a normal-ish life.
You can start with this one for example if you will be interested:
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Artoris
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I can still see the face of my French teacher when I close my eyes
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