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[dan2026]

Do power levels really mean dick?

Yajarobe slashed the hell out of Vegeta's back in a sneak attack.
But nobody will argue that Yajirobe = Vegeta.

Tenshinhan managed to keep Cell restrained with a superior technique.
But nobody will argue that Tenshinhan = Cell

Hell Tenshinhan blocked Majin Buu's attack the same way.

Isn't he slug related? I could use my salt to kill him and all of his Namekian kind

I think they are more Plant related. They only drink water I think.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Speaking of attacks... how come everyone seems to know Kienzan/Destructo Disc? And how powerful is it? It seems Krillin could've killed Freeza.

Also how come Piccolo can fire clothes from his beam.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Do power levels really mean dick?

Yajarobe slashed the hell out of Vegeta's back in a sneak attack.
But nobody will argue that Yajirobe = Vegeta.

Tenshinhan managed to keep Cell restrained with a superior technique.
But nobody will argue that Tenshinhan = Cell

Hell Tenshinhan blocked Majin Buu's attack the same way.



I think they are more Plant related. They only drink water I think.

I think the use of the Genki Dama aka the Spirit Bomb shows that power levels don't mean as much as gathered or stored energy. The destructo disc can slice through an enemy with enough stored energy. It all depends on whose using it and how much energy they put into the attack and the amount of speed the person puts into it. Everytime a destructo disc was thrown the enemy reflected it, but in the case of Oozaru form, most of the time it was a sneak attack (meaning it's still powerful). It could slice through the tail.

 

[dan2026]

Everytime the Kienzan disc was thrown it cut through its target.

Nappa, Freeza, Majin Buu etc.

The anime added a dumb filler scene where one breaks, but we can safely ignore that.

 

[Valentus]

I don't understand why fans keep talking about power level this and power level that, when the entire point of power levels was to show how useless it was to try to quantify how strong someone is.

It was useless because the saiyans only have a static power level, so the level that appears in the meter they always thought it was it's only power level.

The only contribution the human race did in DBZ Universe is the ability of adjust your power level.

Talking about Broly... In the end was Broly the legendary Super Saijan that Frieza and Vegeta always talked about?

 

[dan2026]

Also there are no power levels mentioned past the Freeza saga.

Outside of a couple of readings taken by Babidi, but using a completely different measuring system.

 

[Edwardo]

God this thread has me so jacked up I love it.

 

[The Silver]

It was useless because the saiyans only have a static power level, so the level that appears in the meter they always thought it was it's only power level.

The only contribution the human race did in DBZ Universe is the ability of adjust your power level.

Talking about Broly... In the end was Broly the legendary Super Saijan that Frieza and Vegeta always talked about?

Broly is a filler character so.......no.

The "Legendary Super Saiyan" is either/both Bardock(who went back in time and became the first SSJ), or the SSJ God that Shenron said appeared in ancient times to stop the evil Saiyans.

Frieza is probably mentioning Bardock because his ancestor passed down the legend.

Vegeta might be talking about the SSJ God and/or Bardock.

 

[HalfBakedProphet]

Broly and all his movies were bullshit

 

[Boss Doggie]

I'm still laughing that the original saiyans were gummi bears.

Also how come Piccolo has a clothing beam

 

[jaxword]

I'm still laughing that the original saiyans were gummi bears.

Also how come Piccolo has a clothing beam

Namekians had already been established to have magical powers that include creating things (i.e. the Dragonballs).

Clothes really aren't that much of a stretch.

 

[KittenMaster]

If Tien had managed to keep doing that for much longer, (i.e until he literally died), he could've potentially forced Cell to the lower layers of the Earth, killing him.

Now THAT would've been a fantastic ending.

(Yes, I know this isn't going to happen realistically, but this is friggin' DBZ.)

Yeah but this is friggin' DBZ Cell would probably just fly out of the lava after he is forced into it.

 

[Mechanized]

I think arguments over power levels ruined this series. If a character didn't match up with whoever they were immediately trash. Takes a lot of fun out of things. I would like a world where if Tien did some training with Goku he'd be on his level. Where skill, dedication to training and adaptation would be the keys to victory.

Also I wish there was a new DBZ series. Why hasn't there been one? Does Toriyama just not want to ruin his legacy after GT or what?

 

[jaxword]

I think arguments over power levels ruined this series. If a character didn't match up with whoever they were immediately trash. Takes a lot of fun out of things. I would like a world where if Tien did some training with Goku he'd be on his level. Where skill, dedication to training and adaptation would be the keys to victory.

Also I wish there was a new DBZ series. Why hasn't there been one? Does Toriyama just not want to ruin his legacy after GT or what?

Toriyama wrote it weekly for 11+ years. He was burned out and tired of the Dragonball universe by then.

Also, the Japanese audiences have long moved on to bigger and most bombastic things. DBZ wouldn't offer anything that hasn't been seen 1000 times since the 90s.

 

[Acerac]

I think arguments over power levels ruined this series. If a character didn't match up with whoever they were immediately trash. Takes a lot of fun out of things. I would like a world where if Tien did some training with Goku he'd be on his level. Where skill, dedication to training and adaptation would be the keys to victory.

That series was called Dragon Ball.

In all seriousness, the reason humans couldn't keep up in Z was because Toriyama decided that Goku was an alien from a superior warrior race. Even if scouters never existed Tenshinhan was destined to be useless compared to the rest of the cast.

...

Well, compared to the aliens at least.

 

[trixx]

I love that scene so much. When Vegeta's music kicks in, then the music that plays when Gohan destroys Cell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec6fR11dHUk

he last dbz episode in my eyes. Everything else afterwards doesn't matter.

I also don't understand Gohan hate I mean he wasn't as cool as Vegeta or even Goku but he was still a decent character even from Frieza saga.

Definitely a lot better than Trunks and Goten

In regards to Picollo he was such a great character sucks he didn't get fleshed out further.

 

[Freshmaker]

Where does Brolly fit in with all these SS4/Fusion characters?

Stronger.

 

[Lamel]

Stronger.

I don't buy that. Broly will get his ass handed by any SSJ4.

 

[Chamber]

At least Piccolo found some use as the team strategist and mentor to the younger fighters. Can't say the same for the rest of the non-Saiyan cast.

I don't buy that. Broly will get his ass handed by any SSJ4.

I feel like Broly would get it handed it him by any SSJ3 or even a high tier SSJ2 like Goku or Majin Vegeta. Dude always seemed overrated to me.

 

[Lamel]

At least Piccolo found some use as the team strategist and mentor to the younger fighters. Can't say the same for the rest of the non-Saiyan cast.



I feel like Broly would get it handed it him by any SSJ3 or even a high tier SSJ2 like Goku or Majin Vegeta. Dude always seemed overrated to me.

I don't doubt it.

 

[Vermillion]

Everytime the Kienzan disc was thrown it cut through its target.

Nappa, Freeza, Majin Buu etc.

The anime added a dumb filler scene where one breaks, but we can safely ignore that.

I feel like it's comparable to Trunks's sword. It depends on if the person's ready for it, how powerful the person is, etc.

 

[akira28]

Toriyama kept Piccolo down because he was black.

Nothing compared to what they did to Staff Officer Black.

 

[dan2026]

Nothing compared to what they did to Staff Officer Black.

Officer Black was the only competent man in the Red Ribbon Army.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Who are the known Kienzan users anyway?

Namekians had already been established to have magical powers that include creating things (i.e. the Dragonballs).

Clothes really aren't that much of a stretch.

I just find it hilarious that he could do that.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Misread this as "So, just how strong is Pinocchio"


major letdown when I realized my mistake.

 

[Slayer-33]

Who are the known Kienzan users anyway?

Krillin and Frieza?

 

[MikeMyers]

That's true, they theoretically could have reached that level.

Still, though, the metrics don't really matter between Goku and Trunks. Both could fight Perfect Cell for a while, but neither could beat him. Vegeta was a bit lower than both.

We see Goku go USSJ

Vegeta was stated be stronger than Trunks. Trunks thought he was stronger because of the bulkier form, but later realized Vegeta could have had that form too but realized its weakness. As for Cell, he just toyed with all 3 of them.

Enough Piccolo talk - Videl should never have cut her hair.

Agreed

I don't understand why fans keep talking about power level this and power level that, when the entire point of power levels was to show how useless it was to try to quantify how strong someone is.

Yeah, Vegeta kept harping on about how Power Levels and Scouters were useless on Namek. VegettoEX did a great job explaining how power levels were useless.

Who are the known Kienzan users anyway?

Krillin on Nappa
Vegeta on Gohan
Frieza on Goku
Android 18 on Goten & Trunks
Goku on Majin Buu

Cell also did it in filler.

 

[Toxi]

I don't understand why fans keep talking about power level this and power level that, when the entire point of power levels was to show how useless it was to try to quantify how strong someone is.

Problem is, while power levels might have been useless, raw power always won out with very few exceptions. Goku beat Frieza because he was more powerful, Gohan beat Cell because he was more powerful etc... Biggest exception I can think of is how Mr. Satan helped take down Buu.

 

[Chinner]

batman vs piccolo who would win???

 

[so1337]

What's Arale Norimaki's power level?

 

[Unknown One]

Gogeta is just filler and Vegetto would have been superior anyways. Goku doesn't have to lower his powerlevel to match Vegeta. I think it's just a straight multiplier. Imagine if Vegetto could have gone SSJ3 in DBZ.

 

[The Silver]

Problem is, while power levels might have been useless, raw power always won out with very few exceptions. Goku beat Frieza because he was more powerful, Gohan beat Cell because he was more powerful etc... Biggest exception I can think of is how Mr. Satan helped take down Buu.

The thing with power levels being "useless" is due to the fact that the Earth guys figured out a way to hide and suppress their power levels.

By relying on the scouters so much the bad guys ended up being taken off guard whenever the enemy suddenly spiked or tried to hide when going in suppression mode.

Power levels still technically exist, the Z-Fighters can "sense" how strong a person is, it's just that the scouter method was at best unreliable and at worst a liability.

 

[Acerac]

Problem is, while power levels might have been useless, raw power always won out with very few exceptions. Goku beat Frieza because he was more powerful, Gohan beat Cell because he was more powerful etc... Biggest exception I can think of is how Mr. Satan helped take down Buu.

Yajarobe gets no respect.

 

[Mael]

the SSJ God that Shenron said appeared in ancient times to stop the evil Saiyans.

What the fuck is that? GT crap again?

 

[GaimeGuy]

another question...

is krillin really stronger than tenshinhan?

There is never any indication that Krillin is more powerful than Tien.

He's weaker than Tien during all of Dragon Ball.

He's weaker than Tien during the saiyan saga.

He probably jumped past Tien very briefly during the Namek Saga, after Guru powered him up, though Tien spent 6 months training with King Kai and likely caught up while Krillin was chilling on Earth.

Krillin never trained as hard as Tien or as much, and he wasn't as naturally skilled of a fighter as Tien, either. And then he settled down with a family, while Tien continued training.


When Yamcha says that Krillin is the strongest human on earth, he's trying to calm down krillin's 5 year old daughter, who's worried about his safety in the tenkaichi budokai. There's no reason that should be taken as gospel.

 

[The Silver]

What the fuck is that? GT crap again?

No it's from the movie that came out a while back.(It's canon unlike the other movies)

 

[Mael]

No it's from the movie that came out a while back.(It's canon unlike the other movies)

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/131/e/1/goku_super_saiyan_god_by_maniaxoi-d64xvw6.jpg[/IMG ][/QUOTE]
Barf! that's actually worse than the shit stuffs they pulled with the time travelling Bardock.
I guess it's also way worse than Trunk's Story (the other canon movie)...

 

[jaxword]

We see Goku go USSJ

Vegeta was stated be stronger than Trunks. Trunks thought he was stronger because of the bulkier form, but later realized Vegeta could have had that form too but realized its weakness. As for Cell, he just toyed with all 3 of them.

You raise a good point about Goku's ability.

Where did it say that about Vegeta?

I'd be ok with reshuffling the Saiyans slightly to be Cell - Goku - Vegeta - Trunks

 

[Unknown One]

Super Saiyan God was a disappointment. In terms of looks and effects it seem very lazy. My favorite form is still Super Saiyan 2. The aura was more chaotic and the lightning that enveloped the aura was badass.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Oh yeah, Battle of the Gods is gonna be released in my country - how was it?

 

[DeSo]

Been nostalgia'ing hard on some DBZ, this was so fucking good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qejsW9qmpSg#t=1m30s

This is where 17 should have died.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

All the badass Nameks are gone Picolo is the son..of the half of the baby that came to earth on its own. Namekians seem to be that former great civ that is just on the decline/rebound if you count their new planet. Like in the lord slug movie...they just got old, seems they ran shit for a long time. But it was never explored much more than that, DBZ is about Goku.

Picolo fluctuates, for a time he was second most powerful, then he made room for Vegeta then for Gohan and Trunks. Then he jumped past them for a minute. Its not really a question for the show, its picolo just below the Saiyans. For the movies he seems to be "among" them.

 

[Goku]

Dragonball GT->SSJG crap.

 

[Moaradin]

Dragonball GT->SSJG crap.

GT is crap but I thought SSJ4 was actually a pretty good design. SSJG is looked pretty lazy but the movie was pretty good.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Broly was dead in GT (not considered cannon and Broly was only in the movies) where the SSJ4 was reached. If you're talking Vegito and Gotenks. Vegito is stronger than Brolly. I think Gotenks wouldn't last long enough. Gogeta would destroy him considering its their most powerful fusion. Goku or Vegeta at full power SSJ4 would destroy Broly, even at his video game appearance as SSJ3.

I dunno...brolly didnt seem to have a limit, he just got more pissed and BANG way more power, besides not like he trained or ever lost. In theory brolly should be able to whoop everyones ass . If he actually could get beat down by something other than ...plot he should be king of the hill. It too Goku, Trunks, Gohan, picolo, and vegeta's power to "stop" him the first time. Im not even going to acknowledge the GT movies.

 

[FreeMufasa]

Does anyone else feel out of the whole series (DB, Z and GT), demon king piccolo felt like the most threatening enemy?

 

[Htown]

Does anyone else feel out of the whole series (DB, Z and GT), demon king piccolo felt like the most threatening enemy?

He's certainly got a fantastic resume. He killed most of Earth's population the first time around, then when he came back he literally took over the world after killing Shenron in one of the most shocking moments of Dragon Ball.

I would also put Vegeta up there, because it took literally all the good guys giving everything they had to bring him down that first time, and half of them died fighting him and Nappa in the process.

 

[Dagobert Duck]

Well are we talking about power levels or how strong of a father figure Piccolo was? Cause father figure wise he is way above Goku and just a little bit under Vegeta.

Vegeta and Piccolo are the onle "serious" characters (though there is this episode where Goku and Piccolo try to get their driving license....) Goku has always been a joke and he has like the weirdest story/plot twists human kind has ever seen. One time he battles Frieza and wins, then he travels the galaxy if I remember correct and then he gets back to earth and all of a sudden he suffers a deadly heart-disease...A HEART-DISEASE...cause dying is such a strong thing in the Dragon Ball Universe :-D

How often did Piccolo die? Old-demon piccolo died and I think fusion Piccolo died once. So I guess that makes him kinda strong too!

 

[Moaradin]

Does anyone else feel out of the whole series (DB, Z and GT), demon king piccolo felt like the most threatening enemy?

He killed Krillin, Master Roshi and Chiaotzu. Krillin dying in Dragon Ball was actually the first time a main character died by that point, so it actually had a lot of impact.

Other villains in DBZ upped the scale obviously, but by then the dragon balls were so easily obtainable that it didn't ever feel like the stakes were nearly as high.

 

[youngwerther]

Well are we talking about power levels or how strong of a father figure Piccolo was? Cause father figure wise he is way above Goku and just a little bit under Vegeta.

What kind of fucked up definition of fatherhood do you have?
I'd much rather have Goku as a dad than asshole Vegeta or emo Piccolo.

Goku - fun loving guy with a heart of gold who can still take care of business when needed.
Vegeta - self-centered jerk who will probably snap one day in a murder-suicide.
Piccolo - like Vegeta except would get his ass kicked.