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Social Security funds will be depleted by 2037

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GhostSeed

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_bi_ge/us_social_security

Social Security and Medicare finances worsen

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON – Social Security and Medicare are fading even faster under the weight of the recession, heading for insolvency years sooner than previously expected, the government warned Tuesday. Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, a year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner, trustees reported.

Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year, just as it did for the first time in 2008. The trustees project that the Medicare fund will be depleted by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year's report.


The trust funds — which exist in paper form in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, W.Va. — are bonds that are backed by the government's "full faith and credit" but not by any actual assets. That money has been spent over the years to fund other parts of government. To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, the head of the trustees group, said the new reports were a reminder that "the longer we wait to address the long-term solvency of Medicare and Social Security, the sooner those challenges will be upon us and the harder the options will be."

Geithner said that President Barack Obama was committed to working with Congress to find ways to control runaway growth in both public and private health care expenditures, noting the promise Monday by major health care providers to trim costs by $2 trillion over the next decade.

However, Republicans pointed to the newly dire assessments as evidence the Obama administration has failed to come forward with actual entitlement reform to close the funding gaps.

"Instead of getting existing public programs in order right now, some are saying we should create a new government-run health insurance plan," Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a reference to the administration's health care proposals. "When we can't afford the public health plan we have already, does it make sense to add more?"

House Republican leader John Boehner said the trustees report "confirms what we already knew: Our nation cannot afford to continue this reckless borrowing and spending spree."
The findings in the trustees report, the annual checkup given the two benefit programs, did not come as a surprise. Private economists had been predicting that the dates the programs would begin to pay out more than they take in and the dates the trust funds would be insolvent would occur sooner given the economic recession.

The deep recession, the worst the country has endured in decades, has resulted in a loss of 5.7 million jobs since it began in December 2007. The unemployment rate hit a 25-year high of 8.9 percent in April.

Fewer people working means less being paid into the trust funds for Social Security and Medicare.

The Congressional Budget Office recently projected that Social Security will collect just $3 billion more in 2010 than it will pay out in benefits. A year ago, the CBO had projected that Social Security would have a much higher $86 billion cash surplus for the 2010 budget year, which begins Oct. 1.

The trustees report projected that Social Security's annual surpluses would "fall sharply this year," then remain at a reduced level in 2010 and be lower in the following years than last year's projections. The report said that the Social Security annual surplus would be eliminated entirely in 2016, reflecting increased demands from the wave of 78 million baby boomers retiring.

That means Social Security will have to turn to its trust fund to make up the difference between Social Security taxes and the benefits being paid out beginning in 2016. The trustees projected the trust fund would be depleted in 2037, four years earlier than the 2041 date in last year's report.

At that point, the annual Social Security taxes collected would be enough to pay for three-fourths of current benefits through 2083. To tap the trust fund, the government would have to increase borrowing or raise taxes because Social Security bonds exist only as bookkeeping entries.

While the smaller surpluses that will begin this year will not have any impact on Social Security benefit payments, the government will need to borrow more at a time when the federal deficit is already exploding because of the recession and the billions of dollars being spent to prop up a shaky banking system.

Medicare's condition is more precarious, reflecting the pressures from soaring health care costs as well as the drop in tax collections.

The options available to deal with the Social Security shortfall include raising the payroll tax that funds Social Security, such as removing the cap on income subject to the tax, or cutting benefits in some fashion such as raising the retirement age.

The administration is pushing Congress to pass legislation this year to extend health care coverage to some 50 million uninsured Americans, preferring to tackle health care before Social Security.

The trustees report is likely to set off renewed debate over Social Security and Medicare. Critics have charged that the Obama administration has failed to tackle the most serious problems in the budget — soaring entitlement spending.

The administration on Monday revised its federal deficit forecasts upward to project an imbalance this year of $1.84 trillion, four times last year's record, and said the deficits will remain above $500 billion every year over the next decade.
 

Coins

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MC Safety said:
Uhn. The people who've paid for years and years and who won't receive benefits would care.

For starters.

I guess they are going to have to take it on the chin. Either we kill it or we allow social security to kill this country under the burden of keeping up with it.
 
MC Safety said:
Uhn. The people who've paid for years and years and who won't receive benefits would care.

For starters.

Why not give them a fucking bailout then? Certainly we've been giving everyone else except "the people" one...
 

Gaborn

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Do what FDR did. When FDR implemented social security life expectancy for the average man was 65. Raise the retirement age to life expectancy in the US.
 

MC Safety

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Karma Kramer said:
Why not give them a fucking bailout then? Certainly we've been giving everyone else except "the people" one...


Trust me, I've already asked for that $350 million personal bailout.

I told the government I am too big to fail.
 

Gallbaro

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Shit like this happens all over the country, where the politicians steal money from a trust fund to do something else, namely buy votes.

I know in NYS, as much as I hate cars, the state government created a highway trust fund not to long ago and then the minute it was created, robbed it blind.

Firestorm said:
Let's fix this by cutting taxes! Tea parties for all!


I am so damn ready to forfeit my future SS income to get rid of this bastard, as long as there is not constitutional amendment announcing all taxes must be dedicated to their stated purpose and it applies down to the damn city government level I do not trust representatives with anything.
 

hellclerk

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Gaborn said:
Do what FDR did. When FDR implemented social security life expectancy for the average man was 65. Raise the retirement age to life expectancy in the US.
that would do it, it would piss off untold amounts of baby boomers, but it would sure as hell do it...
 
Firestorm said:
Let's fix this by cutting taxes! Tea parties for all!

Well I personally don't want to keep supporting something that isn't going to benefit me later in life... so I don't see how thats a bad idea in this regard.

Tax breaks although not the complete answer, would help stimulate the economy...
 

B.K.

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Gaborn said:
Do what FDR did. When FDR implemented social security life expectancy for the average man was 65. Raise the retirement age to life expectancy in the US.

Or start killing people when they turn 65 and process the remains into a cheap food that can be sold for a profit.
 

Blackace

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no problem! the world will in 2012 so we are all good!
 

Pimpwerx

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It's simple, but the rich minority have suckered us into carrying the burden. Apply FICA to a person's full income. Millions or billions, you tax them all the way up. Those assholes are getting tax cuts everywhere else and taking money out of the other systems, which exacerbates SS. Tax the rich, which 99.99999999999999999999999999% of us will never be, and it will at least extend the deadline. This stupid notion that you must raise the age limit first is assinine. It's a move that disadvantages minorities, who have shorter life expectancies. And if you say too bad, then I say implement the Logan's Run Contingency Plan. PEACE.
 

WedgeX

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Blackace said:
no problem! the world will in 2012 so we are all good!

So we should just institute the Early Death Incentives, since we aren't going to be around anyhow?

Under the Early-Death Incentives Plan, retirees can double their monthly Social Security payouts by signing an agreement to perish within five years, or quadruple their payouts by dying within three. Those eligible can also opt for a six-month Accelerated Mortality Program, which pays $4,000 a month over a half-year period, provided the person ceases living at the conclusion of the agreed-upon term.
 
Taxes must go up for all brackets. Period.

These programs cannot be cut because no politician can win an election on such a platform. With them staying there is no alternative but to... actually pay for them.
 
Tax the wealthy, put it to a means test and raise the retirement age. I can remember as a kid the news reports about the elderly howling about the retirement age being 65. That they were still functioning members of society and wanted to keep working, damnit! Now, the baby-boomers can't wait to retire and suck the government tit they distrusted in their youth. Just like every one of you who wail that you'll never get your share out of it and it should be scrapped.
 

Gallbaro

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AndersTheSwede said:
Taxes must go up for all brackets. Period.

These programs cannot be cut because no politician can win an election on such a platform. With them staying there is no alternative but to... actually pay for them.

And this fact is why you never let government grow, because when it goes FUBAR, you can never go back.
 
AndersTheSwede said:
Taxes must go up for all brackets. Period.

These programs cannot be cut because no politician can win an election on such a platform. With them staying there is no alternative but to... actually pay for them.

So you are basically saying you give a shit more about politicians then anyone else?
 
AndersTheSwede said:
Taxes must go up for all brackets. Period.

These programs cannot be cut because no politician can win an election on such a platform. With them staying there is no alternative but to... actually pay for them.
and the american people will accept higher taxes with thunderous applause.
 

Gallbaro

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Karma Kramer said:
So you are basically saying you give a shit more about politicians then anyone else?

Knowing two congressmen personally, if you give them enough money you become best friends, what he was stating was a fact not really a philosophical ramble about how government should work.

viakado said:
and the american people will accept higher taxes with thunderous applause.

Which is why we will just fund them via deficit, ruining the valuation of the dollar for other politicians to worry about, rather than the current electoral.
 

-PXG-

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viakado said:
and the american people will accept higher taxes with thunderous applause.

It would suck for people like my dad:

He makes a ton of money, but actually busts his fucking ass doing his job, almost to the point where he could stroke out, or have a coronary at any moment. I'd hate to see his hard earned money go to people who don't do shit. However, I have no problem with money being taken away by super rich people who don't do shit, to poor people who don't do shit. Just don't fuck over those who truly do earn their dollars.
 
Gallbaro said:
Knowing two congressmen personally, if you give them enough money you become best friends, what he was stating was a fact not really a philosophical ramble about how government should work.

idk... he sounded pretty excited about raising those taxes... its pretty defeatist to just accept our current system and not attempt to find other solutions to fixing it.
 

Gallbaro

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-PXG- said:
It would suck for people like my dad:

He makes a ton of money, but actually busts his fucking ass doing his job, almost to the point where he could stroke out, or have a coronary at any moment. I'd hate to see his hard earned money go to people who don't do shit. However, I have no problem with money being taken away by super rich people who don't do shit, to poor people who don't do shit. Just don't fuck over those who truly do earn their dollars.

My father does that too, but that is in NYC so his money already goes to people who don't do shit.

The key to NYC is own land and then lobby against those communist NYC democrat bastards who want everything rent stabilized.

Karma Kramer said:
idk... he sounded pretty excited about raising those taxes... its pretty defeatist to just accept our current system and not attempt to find other solutions to fixing it.


There is a solution but the key portion to it is realizing you cannot compare our federal government to the nations of Europe and then demand similar services from the feds, the country is just to large, populous, and diverse for that. You need to compare the states to European nations, expecting them to provide similar services and drastically scale back the feds.

Some states like the coasts will be comparable to western europe, the midwest more comparable to eastern europe when you remove federal subsidies.
 

GodofWine

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People are living too long...this is the crux of the problem. I'd like to see them take 5yrs off the life span they are using in their calculations, and see what effect that has, its probably drastic.
 
Again, eliminate the cap so that the wealthy pays into the system. Sure it may not sound fair, but wouldn't tthere be some kind of multiplier effect that would hurt everyone if retirees didn't have any supplemental income?
 
Gaborn said:
Do what FDR did. When FDR implemented social security life expectancy for the average man was 65. Raise the retirement age to life expectancy in the US.

Combine this with getting rid of the FISA ceiling and I think this will end problems with Social Security. Keep these funds separate and untouchable by government.

If all else fails, make Social Security means tested. It'd be welfare for the elderly, but whatever. Gotta be pragmatic about this program if you're gonna keep it.
 

Gallbaro

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Skiptastic said:
Combine this with getting rid of the FISA ceiling and I think this will end problems with Social Security. Keep these funds separate and untouchable by government.

If all else fails, make Social Security means tested. It'd be welfare for the elderly, but whatever. Gotta be pragmatic about this program if you're gonna keep it.

:lol

I want to but wont happen unless the supreme court grows some balls on strict interpretation of the constitution and a new amendment is inserted by the legislator. But incumbents have too many votes to buy.
 
1) Raise the current cap on FISA taxes to $250,000.

2) Raise the retirement age to 70.

3) Stop borrowing money from the Social Security fund for short-term budget fixes.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Subsidize life extension tech, and everyone can keep working.
 

ahoyhoy

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reggieandTFE said:
1) Raise the current cap on FISA taxes to $250,000.

2) Raise the retirement age to 70.

3) Stop borrowing money from the Social Security fund for short-term budget fixes.

I'd actually like to see a report on how these changes would effect the longevity of SS. Seems like it could actually solve our problems and mean in 50 years I could actually see benefits (if I make it that long)
 

Gallbaro

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ahoyhoy said:
I'd actually like to see a report on how these changes would effect the longevity of SS. Seems like it could actually solve our problems and mean in 50 years I could actually see benefits (if I make it that long)

Logically they would be able to do this by just changing a couple of variables in an excel model.

Governmentally it would be a study costing 100s of thousands of dollars, which would be borrowed from the trust.
 

ronito

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Time to cut taxes.

Either that, or let the free market kill a few million old people. I mean they're not employed, just deadwood anyway. If the invisible hand can move, it can also choke.
 

hellclerk

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B.K. said:
Or start killing people when they turn 65 and process the remains into a cheap food that can be sold for a profit.
SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE! PEOPLE!!!!!!

can't believe no one else tried that...
 
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