Madflavor
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Cap 4 did $100m Domestic over a 4 day weekend (President's Day).
So yes, a $125m Dom opening over a 3 day weekend is good. It's very good actually.
Cap 4 did $100m Domestic over a 4 day weekend (President's Day).
So yes, a $125m Dom opening over a 3 day weekend is good. It's very good actually.
GateofD
Member
He didn't job at all. He was under Kyptonite gas. Batman had his fun for a few secs, but after it wore off. Superman was like yea are we done now? When Batman's metal gauntlets was getting caved in just punching him. Even we could kick Superman's ass when he's next to kyptonite. It's jobbing in Gunns version cause Superman constantly gets beat up in regular form against things that would be breakfast for any other live action Superman versions.
Doomsday, Superman is suppose to lose and die in some way from fighting Doomsday, it's like in his genes. Doomsday is practically his 2nd kyptonite.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I'm not even sure why this is being discussed, or even why other movies are being brought up, like who gives a shit what happens in some other movie with some other iteration of the character; none of that stuff has any bearing on this movie and can't be used as some justification for its flaws and the nonsense that are present in it.
It's like some weird attempt to deflect or just silence discussion; supes isn't portrayed as being very super in this movie, the end.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Saw it last night, I enjoyed the movie. A mostly fun, light-hearted, movie that harkins back to the first Reeves movie. Some editing choices were weird but overall I left pretty happy.
Something tells me this will end up being the better of the two superhero movies releasing this month.
Something tells me this will end up being the better of the two superhero movies releasing this month.
Hope this movie does well because I think we can all appreciate the direction Gunn is going and what is GOOD about this film, and what it bodes for the DCU under Gunn.
A. Women are allowed to be sexy and DRESS sexy. Cat.....damn, even some boob jiggle in there.
B. Characters LOOK like their comic counterparts. Jimmy Olsen looks like Jimmy again. Supergirl is in her skirt outfit. It's Lois Lane, not Louis Lane or other injected nonsense. So while Hawkgirl missed out from her statuesque form
for the rather diminutive and overly dressed version
maybe one day we can get around to this version
C. Women are also allowed to be silly and foolish. So it's not just male stooges, there is more equal opportunity.
D. Lots of comic booky stuff just thrown out there. Lex has an entire team of alien(?) goons, there is bizarre tech all over the place, rando monsters, etc. While this can be problematic from a narrative perspective, it does leave me optimistic that we will some really fun stories in fairly short order. Imagine Batman freed from just having the Joker, Riddler, and Penguin as his adversaries, ad nauseum.
A. Women are allowed to be sexy and DRESS sexy. Cat.....damn, even some boob jiggle in there.
B. Characters LOOK like their comic counterparts. Jimmy Olsen looks like Jimmy again. Supergirl is in her skirt outfit. It's Lois Lane, not Louis Lane or other injected nonsense. So while Hawkgirl missed out from her statuesque form
for the rather diminutive and overly dressed version
maybe one day we can get around to this version
C. Women are also allowed to be silly and foolish. So it's not just male stooges, there is more equal opportunity.
D. Lots of comic booky stuff just thrown out there. Lex has an entire team of alien(?) goons, there is bizarre tech all over the place, rando monsters, etc. While this can be problematic from a narrative perspective, it does leave me optimistic that we will some really fun stories in fairly short order. Imagine Batman freed from just having the Joker, Riddler, and Penguin as his adversaries, ad nauseum.
VulcanRaven
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It’s A Bird, It’s A Plane, It’s A Box Office Hit: ‘Superman’ Opening To $123M – Sunday AM Update
'Superman' is opening to $123M, the second best opening ever for director James Gunn.
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Ulysses 31
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Also, Superman casually being cloned seems like movie material in itself. Superman killing his clone after it's no longer being controlled seems off too, Supes usually feels bad about killing but here he doesn't give it a 2nd thought.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
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Yeah, i think that may have been a last minute addition, actually. In Lex's control room there are these guys working hand and foot controls, I wonder if the initial concept was Ultraman being a robot or anthropomorphic drone being 100% remotely operated, maybe partially organic with SOME of supes cloned materiel, but not actually a living being. As it is, I feel like they have wasted Bizarro because he would now be too similar. A lot of this movie feels like cobbled together scraps of other films which gives almost all of the subplots a very rushed feel.Also, Superman casually being cloned seems like movie material in itself. Superman killing his clone after it's no longer being controlled seems off too, Supes usually feels bad about killing but here he doesn't give it a 2nd though.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Not very well. It's doing ok. I don't know why the trades are spinning it like it's a tremendous success but it is not. Again it's fine domestically, but OS is really terrible and 600M for a Superman movie that need to relaunch an universe is not a good look. What about Supergirl next year? If Superman can't do more than 600M, is the Supergirl movie poisoned to fail?
Not to mention that it will release with a lot of competition (even more than Superman) and I don't see the budget being less than 150, if not 180M.
And the "best opening for a Superman film" is also a lie. What people forgot to say is that "WB didn't combine Thursday into Friday with MoS, and they didn't include the $12M the Zack Snyder movie made on Thursday into the 3-day opening weekend".
So in reality MoS made 128M if we are counting the same numbers as Superman, while the 2025 version made 123M. Legs are not looking good, so much that it could even struggle to hit 550M. We'll see I guess.
Revolutionary
Member
I doubt that's the last we've seen of Ultraman. A lot of things in this movie are a set up for this new DCU, like drunk Supergirl (which is exactly how she appears in the beginning of Woman of Tomorrow). Wouldn't be surprised if Gunn has more plans for Ultraman.Also, Superman casually being cloned seems like movie material in itself. Superman killing his clone after it's no longer being controlled seems off too, Supes usually feels bad about killing but here he doesn't give it a 2nd though.
Doom85
Member
Absolutely excellent. Captures the feel of the last few decades of Superman comics perfectly, just as the original 1978 film captured the comics it preceded.
Part of what slightly annoyed me in how they initially handled Spider-man in the MCU was the removal of Uncle Ben. Aside from an allusion to Ben when Peter first meets Tony and a quick, "Aunt May is going through some stuff" in Homecoming, the man is a non-entity even though he had only died approximately six months before Civil War. While skipping the origin made sense by that point, they still needed to show a few scenes to establish his bonds with who raised him. It manages to still work to a degree thanks to Tom Holland's solid performance, but it still held the character back for a while.
Superman (2025) thankfully does not make this mistake. While they don't "do the origin", we still see his Kryptonian parents (although handled in a very different way, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if/when they bring in Brainiac they add a further twist to that message since some continuities have Brainiac as an entity on Krypton who betrays their people and leaves the planet before its demise), and the ending is a wonderful scene of who really should matter to Superman. If anything, Superman being told by his Kryptonian parents this grand message (the first half of it anyway) blindsided him to why he was truly helping people, and once he talks with his Earth parents, he's able to finally confront Lex at the end and rip apart Lex's "you're an alien, we can't trust you" garbage.
David Corenswet is fantastic. As is Rachel Brosnahan. While I've liked the chemistry of past film versions (aside from Returns, but that was less the actors' fault and more the movie just being a general mess and dull), I always felt both the 90's Lois and Clark TV show and the Smallville show had the best Clark/Lois chemistry, but I feel David and Rachel have nailed the chemistry and stack up next to those.
Nicholas Hoult absolutely nails portraying the modern incarnation of Lex Luthor just as Gene Hackman nailed the Lex of that era. No just doing only another real estate scheme like Returns (though I do appreciate it's eventually alluded to in a significant way), no Mark Zuckerberg clone, just pure Lex Luthor and FULLY BALD. The people claiming he's overly emotional, come on, he literally freaks out TWICE in the film and it's both at points he would do so. Most of the time he's calm and collected and the smug shit he should be.
The Justice Gang are a fun bunch. Nathan Fillion finally gets a full role in a James Gunn movie (as he was only in Guardians 3 and The Suicide Squad for a short time), and he absolutely shines. Edi Gathegi is a ton of fun and cool as Mr. Terrific and finally the actor gets to be properly used in a superhero movie after getting the short end of the stick when he played Darwin in X-men: First Class. Metamorpho is only in it for a while but I like how he's a key aspect in Lex's first half of his plan failing as Lex does not consider the consequences of executing an innocent man in front of Rex as now Rex would be willing to do the right thing and not let any more good people die even if there's a slight chance it could endanger his own son. Hawkgirl is the least utilized, but well cast and her brutal behavior in the climax is on point for the character.
The Daily Planet cast is mostly just Clark and Lois (duh) and Jimmy in terms of focus, but I do like Jimmy is portrayed as cool but life is still difficult for him often in a comical way.
Krypto is adorable and fun and so forth. Supergirl seems on point so far for how she was portrayed in the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comic miniseries which her movie is adapting, not full on cynical but less idealistic compared to Superman, but the movie will show she is just as willing to help those in need as her cousin does.
I was worried the Kents would be played too much for comedy based on their opening scene, but the rest of their appearances, that was not an issue. Jonathan's speech to his son was wonderful, as was the final scene as I said earlier.
The action is excellent, it fully embraces the insanity and imagination of the comics, especially in Green Lantern constructs which are creative but effective as they should be. The comedy is a bit more held back compared to Guardians and The Suicide Squad in terms of Gunn, but still plenty of it and most of it lands. The score is very solid, as to be expected of John Murphy (David Fleming, I'm less familiar with his work but he seemed to work well with John).
As a Superman fan, this was the live-action film to finally fully satisfy me since the first two original films with Christopher Reeve, even though I still generally enjoy Man of Steel but find it has a lot of flaws. I would still give the 1978 film the edge, but this is definitely my second favorite (at least live-action, I need more time to decide how it stacks against the animated Superman vs. the Elite film which is also excellent).
9/10
Part of what slightly annoyed me in how they initially handled Spider-man in the MCU was the removal of Uncle Ben. Aside from an allusion to Ben when Peter first meets Tony and a quick, "Aunt May is going through some stuff" in Homecoming, the man is a non-entity even though he had only died approximately six months before Civil War. While skipping the origin made sense by that point, they still needed to show a few scenes to establish his bonds with who raised him. It manages to still work to a degree thanks to Tom Holland's solid performance, but it still held the character back for a while.
Superman (2025) thankfully does not make this mistake. While they don't "do the origin", we still see his Kryptonian parents (although handled in a very different way, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if/when they bring in Brainiac they add a further twist to that message since some continuities have Brainiac as an entity on Krypton who betrays their people and leaves the planet before its demise), and the ending is a wonderful scene of who really should matter to Superman. If anything, Superman being told by his Kryptonian parents this grand message (the first half of it anyway) blindsided him to why he was truly helping people, and once he talks with his Earth parents, he's able to finally confront Lex at the end and rip apart Lex's "you're an alien, we can't trust you" garbage.
David Corenswet is fantastic. As is Rachel Brosnahan. While I've liked the chemistry of past film versions (aside from Returns, but that was less the actors' fault and more the movie just being a general mess and dull), I always felt both the 90's Lois and Clark TV show and the Smallville show had the best Clark/Lois chemistry, but I feel David and Rachel have nailed the chemistry and stack up next to those.
Nicholas Hoult absolutely nails portraying the modern incarnation of Lex Luthor just as Gene Hackman nailed the Lex of that era. No just doing only another real estate scheme like Returns (though I do appreciate it's eventually alluded to in a significant way), no Mark Zuckerberg clone, just pure Lex Luthor and FULLY BALD. The people claiming he's overly emotional, come on, he literally freaks out TWICE in the film and it's both at points he would do so. Most of the time he's calm and collected and the smug shit he should be.
The Justice Gang are a fun bunch. Nathan Fillion finally gets a full role in a James Gunn movie (as he was only in Guardians 3 and The Suicide Squad for a short time), and he absolutely shines. Edi Gathegi is a ton of fun and cool as Mr. Terrific and finally the actor gets to be properly used in a superhero movie after getting the short end of the stick when he played Darwin in X-men: First Class. Metamorpho is only in it for a while but I like how he's a key aspect in Lex's first half of his plan failing as Lex does not consider the consequences of executing an innocent man in front of Rex as now Rex would be willing to do the right thing and not let any more good people die even if there's a slight chance it could endanger his own son. Hawkgirl is the least utilized, but well cast and her brutal behavior in the climax is on point for the character.
The Daily Planet cast is mostly just Clark and Lois (duh) and Jimmy in terms of focus, but I do like Jimmy is portrayed as cool but life is still difficult for him often in a comical way.
Krypto is adorable and fun and so forth. Supergirl seems on point so far for how she was portrayed in the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comic miniseries which her movie is adapting, not full on cynical but less idealistic compared to Superman, but the movie will show she is just as willing to help those in need as her cousin does.
I was worried the Kents would be played too much for comedy based on their opening scene, but the rest of their appearances, that was not an issue. Jonathan's speech to his son was wonderful, as was the final scene as I said earlier.
The action is excellent, it fully embraces the insanity and imagination of the comics, especially in Green Lantern constructs which are creative but effective as they should be. The comedy is a bit more held back compared to Guardians and The Suicide Squad in terms of Gunn, but still plenty of it and most of it lands. The score is very solid, as to be expected of John Murphy (David Fleming, I'm less familiar with his work but he seemed to work well with John).
As a Superman fan, this was the live-action film to finally fully satisfy me since the first two original films with Christopher Reeve, even though I still generally enjoy Man of Steel but find it has a lot of flaws. I would still give the 1978 film the edge, but this is definitely my second favorite (at least live-action, I need more time to decide how it stacks against the animated Superman vs. the Elite film which is also excellent).
9/10
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Toons
Member
I had a good time with it. Took a second to get going but by a half hour in or so I was on board and it stayed that way for the rest.
I have some gripes. Mostly with the way Gunn approached this introduction; it doesn't feel like an introduction at all. It feels like the 4th entry into a DC cinematic universe. Theres no beginning.
But with that said, what's actually here is good. I reaaaaaally like this portrayal of Superman. When he said "maybe that's the real punk" I knew i would appreciate this characterization. I may need to give it a second watch to confirm my feelings.
I have some gripes. Mostly with the way Gunn approached this introduction; it doesn't feel like an introduction at all. It feels like the 4th entry into a DC cinematic universe. Theres no beginning.
But with that said, what's actually here is good. I reaaaaaally like this portrayal of Superman. When he said "maybe that's the real punk" I knew i would appreciate this characterization. I may need to give it a second watch to confirm my feelings.
Doom85
Member
With where he went and how he's probably pretty messed up now, seemed like an easy set up to see him go to Bizarro World and become Bizarro (and yes, there has been one version of Bizarro in the comics that actually was a Superman clone created by Lex Luthor, which I'm sure James Gunn is aware of and likely did all this deliberately).
Also, Superman probably counted on that Ultraman would survive being sent through the black hole, it's just good luck in getting back.
Really, the only issue is using the name Ultraman means it's unlikely the comic version of Ultraman will show up anytime soon now (who is essentially the evil Superman of the evil Justice League called the Crime Syndicate of Earth-3), but I feel there's plenty of Superman and Justice League villains they could use before the Crime Syndicate anyway, so I'm fine with it.
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VulcanRaven
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Soundtrack is so good:
SamuraiEdge
Member
The music was damn good in this film, but my screen's audio was so shite when it came to audio levels, so I had to do a listen on some of the tracks after.
Guys did a fantastic job here, but DC has always killed it with music. Superman's spirit was 10/10 with the score.
Doom85
Member
Also, Michael Rosenbaum (Lex Luthor of Smallville) voices one of the prison guards, love that, he was so excellent in the TV show and I even got to meet him once in person.
Funny enough, Michael Rooker (Yondu in Guardians of the Galaxy, Merle in Walking Dead) is an actor I also got to meet for a second as he passed me at a con and said hi (wonderfully pleasant man, he was walking slowly and saying hi and saying hoping everyone was having fun directly to every person who recognized him as he was walking through, and apparently inquired what the closest bar to the convention was and showed up shortly after the convention was mostly closed to pleasantly surprise the many con goers who had headed there for drinks), and he is also in this as he voices one of the Fortress of Solitude robots.
Funny enough, Michael Rooker (Yondu in Guardians of the Galaxy, Merle in Walking Dead) is an actor I also got to meet for a second as he passed me at a con and said hi (wonderfully pleasant man, he was walking slowly and saying hi and saying hoping everyone was having fun directly to every person who recognized him as he was walking through, and apparently inquired what the closest bar to the convention was and showed up shortly after the convention was mostly closed to pleasantly surprise the many con goers who had headed there for drinks), and he is also in this as he voices one of the Fortress of Solitude robots.
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Alan Tudyk as the robot voice is another fan fav bit of casting. I think Alan has had a lock on "dry sarcastic robot" casting for the past TWENTY YEARS since I, Robot
Oh, while you may mean just superhero films, but Fillion and Gunn (and Rooker, Gunn is very loyal to his actors) go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back to Slither, a perineal halloween fav film in my house.
VulcanRaven
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'Superman' Soars to $122 Million, Third-Biggest Box Office Opening Weekend of 2025:
variety.com
‘Superman’ Soars to $122 Million, Third-Biggest Box Office Opening Weekend of 2025
Superman can lift up collapsing buildings, Godzilla-sized monsters and, now, the box office.
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Madflavor
Member
I didn't say it was doing very well world wide, I said it was doing very well domestically, which it is. It's much harder for CBMs to reach those numbers in a Post Covid era, only a handful of them have done it. It's probably going to land somewhere between $550-$600m WW, which is not great, but it's not outright bad either. This isn't a reflection on the film itself, but rather a set of deeper issues plaguing the industry. CBM fatigue overseas, Anti-American sentiments, China no longer a big factor in Hollywood, people being being burned by the DCEU, and Superman in general being far more popular domestically than internationally.
People need to readjust their expectations for BO performances. The age of the Billion Dollar Superhero Movie, where even C-list and B-list CBMs can crack $800m - $1.2b at the BO is over. Only big event films can dream of hitting those numbers now.
For the record though, yes they do have a serious problem with International numbers. Everyone does, but DC especially. They have to figure this out.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
It's doing ok, we need to see the legs once the fans rush fade out.
Sorry but anything bellow 600M for the flagship hero is not good at all. What about Supergirl if Superman can't even break 600M? It release a week after Toy Story 5 btw.
Then you don't put 225M into production alone, You keep your budget within 150/190M maximum. I think expectation where high, something like MoS box office (which had the same budget).
This is also a big concern indeed.
Madflavor
Member
You're saying obvious things here man, I think you're trying to pick an argument where there is none. I can judge a film's performance based on how it's doing now. Right now it's doing very well domestically. That could change, but we'll see.
Also a modest budget for a Superman movie is really not as easy as you think.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Amazing comic book movie. Perfect casting across the board. Excellent pacing. It has a striking visual identity all its own. Strums every chord across the emotional spectrum. Cheerful and funny when it needs to be with the perfect amount of cheese. Earnest and heartfelt but never overly sentimental. Some great action scenes.
Superman and his supporting cast done right for the first time in over forty years.
4.5 / 5
I'm going to watch this in theaters again, next time in IMAX.
Superman and his supporting cast done right for the first time in over forty years.
4.5 / 5
I'm going to watch this in theaters again, next time in IMAX.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Uh? I was just responding to you but ok. So again no the movie is not doing "very well". It's concerning.
But I guess with your tone and the "you guys wouldn't go out with grace when the movie did well" you weren't quoting me in good faith.
Sorry but 190M is not a modest budget. It's 225 that is way too big. And sure it's not as easy as writing it, sure. So what? Can't they put the effort to start this new universe?
SamuraiEdge
Member
I think if it can do over 600 (with strong domestic), then this would be considred enough of a success given the damage and everything that occured starting all over and how comic book films do these days than before. I would be happy with this for first DCU film.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Those guys were controlling the video drones. Not Ultraman. There's a whole scene when Krypto destroys them.
The sad thing is that they could have shaved off SO MUCH if they had just dialed back. Did we need the extended pocket universe stuff? Could it have been an actual physical set? Did we need that giant chasm splitting apart metropolis, presumably killing THOUSANDS and wrecking the homes of all the assistant folks that are sitting there cheering about it. I think keeping the stakes more personal, maybe...I dunno, good old Lois being taken hostage or something. If these films are all hitting in the 400-600 mill box office range they need to dial back those budgets and all this excessive CG is where I think they can do it.
That's what we see in the film, but why have the hand and feet controls? Just feels like they were originally meant to be moving arms and legs, then somewhere along the way it turned into "ultraman is alive" but the control stuff stuck.
VulcanRaven
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WBD Boss David Zaslav Celebrates DC Win At The Box Office: "Superman Is Just The First Step"
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WBD Boss David Zaslav Celebrates DC Win At The Box Office: “Superman Is Just The First Step”
Despite Warner Bros. Discovery ultimately being split into two companies, CEO David Zaslav can celebrate a big win this weekend with DC Studios' Superman.
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Donald mac Ronald
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Black Adam was more fun than this.
Gunns a hack.
Gunns a hack.
Madflavor
Member
I don't think $600m is happening. It could, but we really gotta wait to see those second weekend numbers, but it would need to have pretty strong legs Dom to carry it to $600m.
It really is OS that's fucking it right now. Dom is looking strong, and WB really does have reason to celebrate there. When you look at DC's last few films and compare it to this, it's a major improvement. But the OS numbers really are THAT atrocious that it may not even reach $600m. I think if Fantastic Four wasn't coming out in a couple of weeks it would have a much better shot at legging out to $600m.
Jaybe
Member
My father-in-law grabbed a full row of tickets at an AVX for today. Very enjoyable film, and I barely care for superhero/comic book movies nowadays. I like that it starts right in non the action. Nice heart in it. Some good humor too, especially the Green Lantern character. Maybe a scene or two too many of Krypto but I'm sure dog lovers loved those. I'd recommend it.