Superman (2025) | Review Thread

This movie seems wildly divisive in reactions for the audience scores it's getting. :pie_thinking:

Currently 94% for audiences on Rotten Tomatoes. Lower on Metacritic, but as far as I know, that site doesn't require proof of ticket purchase to submit a rating like RT does.
 
-sorry, I meant to type "different director". That's my bad.

-sounds like you want how they'll probably handle Supergirl. In the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comic mini-series (which her film will be a direct adaptation of), she's definitely not fully cynical, and does adhere to the "no killing" rule, but she does have a tad less idealistic view of the world compared to Superman, but she can show compassion and kindness and is shown helping people in need. So she could provide the foil you were looking for in a superhero adjacent to Superman

-nah, he only went nuts on The Suicide Squad because, well, that's their concept (the first movie barely killed off anyone). I think there's plenty to do with Guy so he's probably safe, and I highly doubt he'd off Mr. Terrific and Hawkgirl. I assume Metamorpho has less screentime so he'd probably be safe for now as well

-yeah, but like I said, they could find a way to revive Hal with a new actor, or go the Spectre route which would be cool

-yeah, originally James Gunn said they'd keep the Blue Beetle film as canon (as it was mostly isolated from the DCEU), but he changed his mind so it's non-canon now. But they are planning a Blue Beetle animated series and Jaime's actor will reprise his role as the voice, hopefully that means they'll more closely adapt the 2000's Jaime Reyes run which is amazing (while the movie was just okay and did its own thing which was kind of just average to me) and since that run actually has both Guy Gardener and Peacemaker play a decent-sized role they could have Nathan Fillion and John Cena reprise their roles (as Gunn says he wants to keep the same actor for both live-action and the voice for animated when it comes to any character appearing in both formats).

Booster Gold is getting his own show, and Ted Kord (the Blue Beetle before Jaime) is Booster's best friend, so Ted will likely appear as well
The supergirl thing seems weird since I always viewed superman as almost a father figure to the girl and he doesn't seem quite that more like an older brother who frowns on his little sister. You could explore further his parents wanting him to conquer the world and an a.i. program eradicator that is meant to assist with that would be superman's counter in the movie.

He can off Guy and even Hawk girl in some terrible battle and Mr. Terrific goes off an mourns his allies. Metamorpho all you would have to due is harm his lady and he will be evil.

They could still put Blue Beetle in that universe they would simply have to modify his character and suit.

I really wish they would hold back on the tv shows. Maybe keep it animated for now. They could do miniseries after they come out in films.
 
I had a feeling it was going to be all this. Thanks. I'll skip it.
It really wasn't all that, not at all. I know not everyone's going to like it, but it's overly harsh. If anyone ever gives something a 0/10, it's an immediate outlier. Would you listen if someone said 10/10, mazing, perfect movie? No, so don't listen to 0/10 eithers. Find the people who give it 2-9, take the best pros and the worst cons, and then decide if you want to spend time with it.
 
I think he probably skip Zodd, been done too many times. Especially with what they did to Superman's birth parents. They're pretty much Zodd mind. Dumb imo, I guess the twist he's doing is that Zodd is the good one now.
I dont think we've seen the last of that message.
 
The supergirl thing seems weird since I always viewed superman as almost a father figure to the girl and he doesn't seem quite that more like an older brother who frowns on his little sister. You could explore further his parents wanting him to conquer the world and an a.i. program eradicator that is meant to assist with that would be superman's counter in the movie.

He can off Guy and even Hawk girl in some terrible battle and Mr. Terrific goes off an mourns his allies. Metamorpho all you would have to due is harm his lady and he will be evil.

They could still put Blue Beetle in that universe they would simply have to modify his character and suit.

I really wish they would hold back on the tv shows. Maybe keep it animated for now. They could do miniseries after they come out in films.

-well, in some continuities, Kara was actually his older cousin. But time dilation shenanigans made it so when she arrives to Earth, Clark is usually roughly 10-15 years older than her by the time she arrives on Earth. So I feel making him a full on father figure would be kind of weird given those details, and a sibling type relationship does work better

-I don't think Gunn will, he seems to value the characters and not resort to killing off characters when more could be done with them. Notice how he didn't kill off any major Guardians in those films, even Yondu was the parental figure to the main character

-they will, the various animated series are canon to the live-action DCU

-I think Gunn will make sure it works where you could still follow the movies fine even if you haven't seen certain shows.
 
It really wasn't all that, not at all. I know not everyone's going to like it, but it's overly harsh. If anyone ever gives something a 0/10, it's an immediate outlier. Would you listen if someone said 10/10, mazing, perfect movie? No, so don't listen to 0/10 eithers. Find the people who give it 2-9, take the best pros and the worst cons, and then decide if you want to spend time with it.
0/10 is idiotic. I've seen tons of terrible films, I don't know how many I'd give 0. Maybe Bat Pussy. I probably wouldn't even give Highlander 2 0, even though it's a blight on cinema.
 
Not bad. It did a much better job than Man of Steel at capturing the spirit of the character and not taking itself too seriously. Gunn also continues his streak of elevating misfit characters.

The comics have been exploring the politics of having an ostensibly American sentient super weapon interfering with foreign affairs on and off for a while now, and it was handled well here. I have to imagine folks complaining about these aspects of the movie probably either aren't aware of the recent comic history, or are extremely sensitive and butthurt that the politics of the movie don't align with their own.

The downside for my kid was that Superman does take several significant beatings. Might be wise to prepare your kids for that if you feel they might be saddened by it.
 
Just got back from the Superman (2D) movie and it's fantastic, so fun. I'm thinking the dog going bat shit on Lex was brilliant, all the online chatter about the director or cast I struggle to agree with, this is a crazy movie and considerably better than the old Superman films.
 
Just got back from a nearly full theater. I did not like this movie at all. I was not feeling the trailers leading up to movie, but positive reviews and impressions swayed me. This just was not my thing.
 
I liked it quite a bit, though it has SERIOUS issues with being waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overstuffed. There is no explanation for anyone, who they are, how they work, what they want. Very much in media res which I don't really like when 'rebooting' the universe. But my wife, while having to endure endless comic book movies/shows thanks to me but has probably never read a single comic, also liked it so I guess not having any kind of set-up for any one works.

Supes was great, I'm 100% behind the actor. Lois as well, everything about them works. Other than Superman being entirely consumed with this 20 second message from people he never met to the point that an extra 10 seconds of message, coming from a VERY dubious source, throws him into an existential crisis. Fortunately this gets fixed quick.

It's funny how many different iterations of Hawkgirl there are. They cant really crack her in live action. I love me some Isabela Merced but she was the weakest side character. I'm assuming she just has a techno suit? Fillion of course always delivers and while I DETEST techno guys who can just bang on a keyboard to solve any problem, Mr. Terrific had a nice dry wit I liked.

The bad guys were weaksauce though. While I appreciate the nod to Quest for Peace, I'm baffled at the notion that this poor guy had to memorize 2500 fighting combos. Or that Lex did. Or that Supes never seemed to notice these drones around. Or these nerdy Lex employees that seemed very willing to engage in extremely illegal and immoral acts but get portrayed as just "doing mah jerb and having fun at the office" types.

Anyway, while not a particularly cohesive film, it was a lot of fun. For sure the most comic booky version of Superman, much like the super stylized Burton and schumacher Batman films. A significantly depowered Superman opens him up to more story possibilities as well, he can be beaten by lots of things, especially if he doesn't THINK first. Hopefully thats his progression going forward, learning to plan and strategize.

Though I gotta say, a guy that can lift Godzilla or stop a building from falling, seems like very few things in existence could take a punch from him. It's a pet peeve of mine that writers never balance out the physics. Though I guess if Brandon Sanderson ever writes a superhero story that won't be an issue :P
 
Great movie. 8/10 from me.

Some of the criticism I read made me think I shouldn't go see this, and most of if was not justified.

Move adapted one of the harder heroes to put on the screen, and made me feel good Gunn is in charge of DC movies universe.

Worth seeing, and I'm excited for what's next.
 
I'm not familiar with Green Lantern at all but I liked Nathan Fillion in this. I'm interested seeing more of that team.
 
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A lot of people pick on certain aspects a lot and I agree with them. Cause there are moments that are really good and could have really pushed it hard, but it stopped itself because it was too scared.

Release the full Gunn cut
 
Its Superman after all. I guess fans expected a better movie.

Can't talk about the casual.

Which we would have gotten had Gunn focused only on Superman.

This movie is its best when its focused on him being Clarke, his relationship with Lois and Ma and Pa Kent. I would have been happy with the focus on that then towards the end slowly introduce the Justice Gang or have the end credits end on a cliffhanger with them coming into the picture.

There's just way too much things thrown into this movie. Where did the Kaiju come from, why is it there? What are the motivations or origins of the Justice Gang. Why does Lex have this burning hatred for Superman. Hawkgirl has a few a minutes and does nothing of note.

Building a universe should start from the roots of your core characters. Solo Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman movies with heavy focus on only those characters then expand it to introduce other metahumans. The way Gunn did it here is not it.

I said it before and I'll say it again, this is not far off Snyderverse in that they're once again rushing to get in as much as possible in the first few movies.
 
Been drinking, so bear with me:

The wife and I do a x/10 score for any film we see, initially, to establish a baseline for discussion in regard to what we liked/disliked (we're not robots - I promise). Hers was: 8/10; mine: 4.5/10. To put those scores into context, I consider a 5/10 to be a work I wouldn't discourage a person from seeing, but also something I wouldn't recommend - 5/10 being the middle-ground, the "meh" (not bad, not good, just...it exists). As for the discrepancy...well, she works for Warner Bros. Discovery.

So, although I believe her score to be a bit biased (company-girl and all that), I don't think Superman (2025) is a "bad" movie. It just isn't very good.

I'm also a heretic because I think Man of Steel is the best Superman film-adaptation. We rewatched the Donner films in the last few days as a fun prep for this new movie - and they are...pretty f*cking stupid. For those of you who still hold those in high-regard, I encourage a "take off the rose-tinted glasses" re-viewing. Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, and Gene Hackman are great - despite the silly characters they're required to play. But, to paraphrase Logan, the '78 film and its sequel are: "Ice cream for bed-wetters."

So, getting to the point: I'm an adult (or I pretend to be). I do like fanciful things (entertainment is escapism). I ask two things of a particular piece of entertainment: (1) present, to me, an interesting story and (2) don't insult my intelligence. That's it.

Superman (2025) does not meet these requirements...though, not for lack of trying.

Let's start with: "an interesting story." This isn't it. The film establishes an overly complicated border skirmish between two fictional countries with comical names (BUT, BUT: THAT'S FROM THE COMICS!) and then uses this as some kind of basis for Lex Luthor marketing his bad guys as a solution to the supposed Superman problem. No one cares. The silly scenes with not-India/not-Pakistan's citizens gathering in the middle of nowhere to...repel the invasion, I guess?...are goof.

"Ultraman," alternatively, should have been named, "Bingo." Then, at least, when announcer-booth Luthor is calling out his fighting moves, maybe Ms. Rosencrantz (not in the movie) could have won a prize after all the punchy nonsense. "B-26! C-34! F-11!" "F*cking BINGO!" Here's $200...don't spend it all at the slot machines.

Like it or not, it's the "job" of this film to establish Superman - WHO HE IS - in this new continuity. On that note, it (the film) should be fired. Superman, here, is easily defeated and ultimately inconsequential. The Justice Gang do most of the heavy lifting in this story and, as they are supposed to be considered sub-par and not-up-to-the-task, the impotence of our protagonist forces the viewer to ask: What the f*ck is Superman's purpose in this story? If bad-haircut Green Lantern and his crew can handle most of the heinous shit in Metropolis, why should we care about Kal-El?

My major complaint in regard to this film is: it seems to be the manifestation of: James Gunn having a laugh...or not having anyone to answer to. No one in the production had the balls to question one man's approach to this particular adaptation.

I LOVE Guardians of the Galaxy. It manages tone - the humor is weaved into the seriousness of the plot BRILLIANTLY. That isn't the case, here. Kal-El is bested by: Luthor, The Justice Gang, Alien Guy with Baby, Bingo, The Engineer (I hate nano-crap...sorry, irrelevant personal critique), HIS OWN FUCKING DOG, oh, wait: not his dog: his drunk cousin's dog, etc.

WHAT the hell is this film?

WHO is this SUPERMAN?

The latter question is the only thing the movie absolutely needed to answer...and it doesn't, or, at least, it doesn't provide a meaningful response.

Casting-wise, David Corenswet is great - and this is coming from a Henry Cavil fan-person. He's got it - unfortunately, the film doesn't give him what he needs to fully convince the audience of his talent. I want to see this guy as Superman in all kinds of stories...this (the plot of the film) just isn't one of them.

Lois has always been a bit of a bitch (oh dear) and I feel Brosnahan handles the role, perfectly, in that regard - Lane is the best at what she does and doesn't suffer fools. Yet, the character's task in this film is a silly side-show.

Long story, short: There is too much irrelevant crap (irrelevant to Superman, the character) happening in this film to really give the audience what they want, or at least what I think the audience wants: a reintroduction to one of comics' greatest characters.

This brings about another issue: I see a lot of "You don't GET who Superman is supposed to be!"-comments from internet people.

Get over yourself. There are those of us who don't GET what YOU think Superman is supposed to be. There is not a definitive answer. I think Superman is one thing, you think something else. There is no more validity to your interpretation than mine.

I mention this because: I'm not criticizing this new film based on what I think Superman should be (I welcome all interpretations; Allah loves wondrous variety). I'm criticizing it because (rule no. 2): DON'T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE...and this film is, well, kind of stupid.
 
Totally agree with this:



And seeing people say it's an amazing film worries me...


After trash movies folks lower their standarts.

If Hollywood hired some psychologist to make people feel that way I must say they did a great job. Now people expect less for more money.

Not saying this is a trash movie BTW, but the IP deserves much better. This is kinda like the Sonic gaming franchise situation, Sonic fans stop caring about wanting the best of their IP on the gaming side.
 
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I thought the movie was quite enjoyable. Definitely more than the previous style of Superman movies we've been getting.

That said, it did feel like Superman 1.5 rather than the first movie in a whole new universe, but I wasn't confused. Good Lex Luthor portrayal too.
 
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I finally saw it. I give it an 8 out of 10!

The first 35 mins (I'm guessing... I didn't check my watch and the movie flies by) is GREAT! You get drama, action and comedy!

Then somewhere during the movie, it feels like it hit the brakes... Things slow down... But pick back up ...

I LOVED the reference to Mxlptlk (sp?), seeing Peacemaker and Supergirl...

I had a great time!
 
Middest shit I've seen In a long time.
Was I bored? No. Would never rewatch this again.

Actor was great at being superman
And lex was great to.

1) stuffed to the brim of characters for the sake of it. This metahuman nonsense was terrible when they forced that dc universe; they just leant straight into it here.
2)so many half assed ideas flapping around.
3) I've never seen superman be a jobber for 80% of a movie. He barely does anything apart from save a few humans and animals from being hurt.
4) insane levels of destruction but somehow not a single person dies. Maybe a few bad guys die in the pocket universe river?
5) pocket universe lol
6) lex's motives just seem one dimensional and beneath him despite him being portrayed well. Near the end where he gives some reasoning, this is ruined by he dog.
7) the dog is just super annoying.
8) the goofy humour it tries to lean into is just bad and not funny. Barely zero laughs in the theatre.
9) I couldn't help but laugh when it said two eastern European countries yet the poor people from the poor country literally looked like central or south Americans, was ridiculous. Even had the piss filter.
 
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Kinda getting tired of seeing this criticism over and over again. It's such an exaggeration.
Eh, I dunno. He is significantly detuned from Cavil. But they have him do INCREDIBLE feats, like lift the kaiju or hold the skyscraper, but then he gets bodied by nano girl, ultraman, or whatnot. He doesn't show any tactics or cunning, other than maybe using his breath to escape the black hole or take nano-girl into orbit (which turns out to be just a way to do a gravity assisted body slam). He's not a SMART fighter going against impossible odds, he a crude brawler that does the Invincible thing of wearing his opponent with his face. He's so predicable a guy can call out moves REMOTELY and defeat him, repeatedly.

I'm not against a weaker Superman, especially anyhting relating to flash level super speed. But he should at least show some SKILL and if he is losing, it's because the threat is high.
 
Eh, I dunno. He is significantly detuned from Cavil. But they have him do INCREDIBLE feats, like lift the kaiju or hold the skyscraper, but then he gets bodied by nano girl, ultraman, or whatnot. He doesn't show any tactics or cunning, other than maybe using his breath to escape the black hole or take nano-girl into orbit (which turns out to be just a way to do a gravity assisted body slam). He's not a SMART fighter going against impossible odds, he a crude brawler that does the Invincible thing of wearing his opponent with his face. He's so predicable a guy can call out moves REMOTELY and defeat him, repeatedly.

I'm not against a weaker Superman, especially anyhting relating to flash level super speed. But he should at least show some SKILL and if he is losing, it's because the threat is high.

He didn't get bodied against Engineer and Ultraman in their fight in the stadium. He beat them both. She was suffocating him and he figured out how to overcome it while simultanously defeat her. Then there's his fight against Ultraman. He's literally a clone of Superman with Lex behind the wheel. Of course he'd give Superman significant trouble. Once Superman figured out how Lex was controlling Ultraman, he summoned Krypto to disable the cameras. I mean I would not call him a crude brawler, he definitely had to out think his opponents to win.

I also think people are downplaying the fact that this is clearly a Superman who wants to save everyone, including the villains he's fighting, wheraes Cavill Superman just didn't give a shit. We see Supes try to talk to the Engineer during their fight to try and turn her good. Then of course there's the fight against the entire Raptor army where he completely annihilates them effortlessly in half a minute.

Yeah Superman struggles in this film, but we're overlooking some context here.
 
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Middest shit I've seen In a long time.
Was I bored? No. Would never rewatch this again.

Actor was great at being superman
And lex was great to.

1) stuffed to the brim of characters for the sake of it. This metahuman nonsense was terrible when they forced that dc universe; they just leant straight into it here.
2)so many half assed ideas flapping around.
3) I've never seen superman be a jobber for 80% of a movie. He barely does anything apart from save a few humans and animals from being hurt.
4) insane levels of destruction but somehow not a single person dies. Maybe a few bad guys die in the pocket universe river?
5) pocket universe lol
6) lex's motives just seem one dimensional and beneath him despite him being portrayed well. Near the end where he gives some reasoning, this is ruined by he dog.
7) the dog is just super annoying.
8) the goofy humour it tries to lean into is just bad and not funny. Barely zero laughs in the theatre.
9) I couldn't help but laugh when it said two eastern European countries yet the poor people from the poor country literally looked like central or south Americans, was ridiculous. Even had the piss filter.

💯

When Krypto busts into LexCorp and starts going at Lex and Superman's like 'Krypto No!! Krypto stop, drop him drop him' as if this dog is not strong enough to rip Lex in two like wet tissue. I was like bro, get in there and just grab the dog please or someone's going to die 😂

Just one of the examples that had me scratching my head at just wtf am I watching here 😂

If James Gunn ends up directing Batman.....Woooh boy 😂😂😂
 
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He didn't get bodied against Engineer and Ultraman in their fight in the stadium. He beat them both. She was suffocating him and he figured out how to overcome it while simultanously defeat her. Then there's his fight against Ultraman. He's literally a clone of Superman with Lex behind the wheel. Of course he'd give Superman significant trouble. Once Superman figured out how Lex was controlling Ultraman, he summoned Krypto to disable the cameras. I mean I would not call him a crude brawler, he definitely had to out think his opponents to win.
The lex drones were flying around in EVERY fight, but Supes is totally ignorant to their purpose. Then does he just eye blast them? Nope, has to whistle to his dog (and do they ever call him Krypto?) to do it. And they never really explain Ultraman (I gotta go back and watch Superman IV to recall how a similar character worked back then) or why Lex doesn't make a 100 of them. All his other Peace Warrior types were just regular humans apparently and could be wiped out by Mr. Terrific barely paying attention, much less supes.

But whatever. Besides how he was controlled, Ultraman didn't particularly bother me.
I also think people are downplaying the fact that this is clearly a Superman who wants to save everyone, including the villains he's fighting, wheraes Cavill Superman just didn't give a shit. We see Supes try to talk to the Engineer during their fight to try and turn her good. Then of course there's the fight against the entire Raptor army where he completely annihilates them effortlessly in half a minute.
I think the FILM made an effort to show folks weren't getting killed, not that Superman did much. Knocking things around in a city is gonna kill people. But the backlash from MoS has caused every hero film since to make a major effort to show folks escaping/being saved.

Yeah Superman struggles in this film, but we're overlooking some context here.
I agree it isn't a weakness of the film, just a little unsatisfying. Supes never really gets the "I'm here to save the day" moment. Best he has is stopping the building so the lady can drive away (why not just move her car?) and its one of the times they brought in the Williams theme.

Speaking of the music, I personally HATED the punk soundtrack. I don't think it fits superman AT ALL and really pulled me out. This film needed way more powerful orchestral music IMHO.
 
Yeah Superman struggles in this film, but we're overlooking some context here.
nah he just gets wallopped from start to finish; movie literally opens with him like this
dragon ball z japan GIF

Then he goes back and he ends up the same way, then there's the whole kaiju nonsense that only exists to show to point a finger at "see how heroic this superman is constantly saving people?! who shouldn't even be there in the first place, why y'all just standing around, kids just chilling like there isn't a firebreathing monster two steps away; oh and also a fucking squirrel because why not"
Then to add insult to injury he has to crawl out from under the dead kaiju like a bum.
And he absolutely did get wrecked by them both, he was on his knees while the nano attack slowly inched to him.
And in the end ultraman also wrecked him, even with the krypto assist ultraman got the best of him and broke his shoulder

Just straight up getting his ass beat from start to finish, the raptors is the only scene where gets to do some cool superman shit.
 
If James Gunn ends up directing Batman.....Woooh boy 😂😂😂
I WANT a return to a lighter, less pathos driven Batman. I think Gunn could do him justice and be a lot more Adam West than Frank Miller. Let Matt Reeves play (if he can ever get another one out) but give us a "Bright Knight" take for the new DCU.
 
The lex drones were flying around in EVERY fight, but Supes is totally ignorant to their purpose. Then does he just eye blast them? Nope, has to whistle to his dog (and do they ever call him Krypto?) to do it. And they never really explain Ultraman (I gotta go back and watch Superman IV to recall how a similar character worked back then) or why Lex doesn't make a 100 of them. All his other Peace Warrior types were just regular humans apparently and could be wiped out by Mr. Terrific barely paying attention, much less supes.

Using the dog is the smarter play rather than heat visioning them. There were tons of them. As soon as he blasts some of them, Lex would try to stop him. But bringing the dog in makes it harder for Lex/Ultraman to stop the cameras being destroyed because Superman can beat Ultraman down while Krypto is destroying him.

It's the smarter play.

I agree it isn't a weakness of the film, just a little unsatisfying. Supes never really gets the "I'm here to save the day" moment. Best he has is stopping the building so the lady can drive away (why not just move her car?) and its one of the times they brought in the Williams theme.

He literally saved Metropolis, I don't understand this point man.

And he absolutely did get wrecked by them both, he was on his knees while the nano attack slowly inched to him.
And in the end ultraman also wrecked him, even with the krypto assist ultraman got the best of him and broke his shoulder

Just straight up getting his ass beat from start to finish, the raptors is the only scene where gets to do some cool superman shit.

Like wtf is this? Do you guys just want Superman effortlessly destroying everything in his way and never get hurt?

Ultraman dislocated Superman's shoulder, and then Superman responded by tossing Ultraman into the pocket dimension. He still beat him.

Superman flew into space while the Engineer was filling his lungs, suffocating him and withdrawing all oxygen out, WHILE both her and Ultraman were trying to pull him back down, and he still overpowered both of them and slammed them into the ground, defeating Engineer.

You wanna talk about Superman being a jobber? Look no further than Batman v Superman.
 
Like wtf is this? Do you guys just want Superman effortlessly destroying everything in his way and never get hurt?
There's no need for replacing one extreme with the other, the fact is just that he does get his ass beat throughout the movie, it doesn't matter if "he still wins in the end", because of course he does, the movie is titled "superman" after all, he just gets there after an astonishing amount of embarrassment.
 
It was a horrible Superman movie. Felt like I watched part 2 of a movie without watching the first one. Superman didn't feel like superman. Way too many characters some of whom were totally not needed in the movie. Mr Terrific was the best character imo and only his fight sequence was the good one. All other fight scenes were goofy and awful. MoS set the gold standard for fight scenes between super powered individuals. In this movie fights felt like they were taken out of a poorly done 3d animation film. Lex Luthor over acting every scene was unbearable. 2nd worst Superman movie for me with Returns being the worst one.

Edit: Forgot to add one thing. The costume sucked. Hawkgirl was horrible too and the other character shown at the end already tells me the next movie is gonna suck too.
 
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There's no need for replacing one extreme with the other, the fact is just that he does get his ass beat throughout the movie, it doesn't matter if "he still wins in the end", because of course he does, the movie is titled "superman" after all, he just gets there after an astonishing amount of embarrassment.

I think it's fine. The events of the movie beat him down physically and emotionally. He goes through some serious shit in a short amount of time, but he keeps getting up and comes out on top. Even when he's in incredible amounts of pain, he's still thinking about helping others. That's what makes Superman so great to me.

In terms of him being an embarassing jobber, I found BvS to be the way worse offender. He gets absolutely thrashed and humiliated by Batman in their fight. Then he just gets ragdolled by Doomsday the entire fight, while Wonder Woman has a much better showing against Doomsday than him. Then he dies. Not to mention he's a fucking sad sack the entire film.
 
I think it's fine. The events of the movie beat him down physically and emotionally. He goes through some serious shit in a short amount of time, but he keeps getting up and comes out on top. Even when he's in incredible amounts of pain, he's still thinking about helping others. That's what makes Superman so great to me.

In terms of him being an embarassing jobber, I found BvS to be the way worse offender. He gets absolutely thrashed and humiliated by Batman in their fight. Then he just gets ragdolled by Doomsday the entire fight, while Wonder Woman has a much better showing against Doomsday than him. Then he dies. Not to mention he's a fucking sad sack the entire film.
If batman Vs superman dawn of justice is your Barometre.. come on. Isn't exactly a high bar to set.

It terms of jobbing. It's just a batman movie with superman in the back ground with a contrived plot just to see batman fight superman anyway possible.

He jobs to batman for a small period while he has literally kryptonite.
Hardly jobs but holds his own against Doomsday . Then sacrifices his life to save the planet, that's not jobbing.

But ultimately it's a terribly written superman film that isn't even a superman film. At least compare it to man of steel or the reeve movies.
 
nah he just gets wallopped from start to finish; movie literally opens with him like this
dragon ball z japan GIF

Then he goes back and he ends up the same way, then there's the whole kaiju nonsense that only exists to show to point a finger at "see how heroic this superman is constantly saving people?! who shouldn't even be there in the first place, why y'all just standing around, kids just chilling like there isn't a firebreathing monster two steps away; oh and also a fucking squirrel because why not"
Then to add insult to injury he has to crawl out from under the dead kaiju like a bum.
And he absolutely did get wrecked by them both, he was on his knees while the nano attack slowly inched to him.
And in the end ultraman also wrecked him, even with the krypto assist ultraman got the best of him and broke his shoulder

Just straight up getting his ass beat from start to finish, the raptors is the only scene where gets to do some cool superman shit.

its like, i be fine with him jobbing if at at times, he was like "okay i was just holding back, but for real, knock it off" and gives a full punch
and just one taps the nano girl and DumbMan. Or punches the kaiji miles away from the city to someplace empty like an Ironheart watch party or something.
They even gave an excuse to his jobbing. He doesn't fully heal at the beginning and only heals to 80% str.
Like the perfect time was when he flew into space and got a nice sun soak, which I thought was what he was doing. But he just barely wins. Makes it seem like Hawkgirl is stronger than him, that's how bad it looks.
 
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its like, i be fine with him jobbing if at at times, he was like "okay i was just holding back, but for real, knock it off" and gives a full punch
and just one taps the nano girl and DumbMan. Or punches the kaiji miles away from the city to someplace empty like an Ironheart watch party or something.
They even gave an excuse to his jobbing. He doesn't fully heal at the beginning and only heals to 80% str.
Like the perfect time was when he flew into space and got a nice sun soak, which I thought was what he was doing. But he just barely wins. Makes it seem like Hawkgirl is stronger than him, that's how bad it looks.
Nah. If this arc is influenced by All Star Superman, Superman needed to appear weak in the beginning. By the end of it all he will be one punch man.
 
Totally agree with this:



And seeing people say it's an amazing film worries me...

That Twitter account :messenger_tears_of_joy:
"23 year old film student" that is an obvious Snyderbro reposting anything negative he could find about the movie. Just embarrassing.

I just knew you guys wouldn't go out with grace when the movie did well. Going out swinging at the air with tears in your eyes. God bless your hearts.

Anyway, looks like it's doing pretty well in the box office:

 
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Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it

It started off feeling like it skipped straight to part five of a series, it was a bit overwhelming at first. At least he didn't just get the suit at the end or something cliché like that
 
I think this is the best live-action Superman suit. The red trunks are very important part of the look. I do like the Cavill suit but the suit being just one piece looks weird.
 
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That Twitter account :messenger_tears_of_joy:
"23 year old film student" that is an obvious Snyderbro reposting anything negative he could find about the movie. Just embarrassing.

I just knew you guys wouldn't go out with grace when the movie did well. Going out swinging at the air with tears in your eyes. God bless your hearts.

Anyway, looks like it's doing pretty well in the box office:

Dude if you think struggling to get to 600M is "doing pretty well" you are in for a rude awakening.

Also I don't care about who posted the video. He is not the one who made it so...
 
Superman shown to struggle = he's a jobber.

Superman effortlessly winning =it's boring and OP.

And every suggestion otherwise isn't any better.

The guy in the tweet saying it's for goldfish, but needs every lick explained? Why, why does everything need explaining? Was inferring difficult? Do you really need a deep connection to Lois and Clark's relationship right now? I don't think so.
 
If batman Vs superman dawn of justice is your Barometre.. come on. Isn't exactly a high bar to set.

It terms of jobbing. It's just a batman movie with superman in the back ground with a contrived plot just to see batman fight superman anyway possible.

He jobs to batman for a small period while he has literally kryptonite.
Hardly jobs but holds his own against Doomsday . Then sacrifices his life to save the planet, that's not jobbing.

But ultimately it's a terribly written superman film that isn't even a superman film. At least compare it to man of steel or the reeve movies.

He doesn't job to Batman for a small period, come on now. Batman outright humiliates Superman. He beats the shit out of him for most of that fight, even breaking a toilet tank lid over his head. It was pathetic. Doomsday is also supposed to be his villain, but then WW shows up and looks cooler and fights more competently during that fight than him. It even shows her smiling and almost having fun with the fight. That movie was just an awful showing for him.

It's more important to me that Superman behaves like a hero, than how quickly he wins and dominates fights. Superman 2025 gave that to me. He's a good dude who wants to protect people and tries to see the good in the bad ones. He doesn't want to actually hurt anyone if he can help it. And when it comes time for him to pop off, he does.

Dude if you think struggling to get to 600M is "doing pretty well" you are in for a rude awakening.

Also I don't care about who posted the video. He is not the one who made it so...

It's doing very well Domestically. It's OS that's the problem. Asia and Europe are mostly done with CBMs in general, with big event films like D&W being an exception. Cap 4 and Thunderbolts had the same issue this year. Studios have a real problem on their hands with OS.

When it comes to CBMs we're probably back at a pre-Iron Man 1 market. OS have lost interest, and Alpha doesn't seem to care as much as Gen Z and Millenials did.
 
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That Twitter account :messenger_tears_of_joy:
"23 year old film student" that is an obvious Snyderbro reposting anything negative he could find about the movie. Just embarrassing.

I just knew you guys wouldn't go out with grace when the movie did well. Going out swinging at the air with tears in your eyes. God bless your hearts.

Anyway, looks like it's doing pretty well in the box office:

Eh, is it though?

Captain America 4 had a nearly 200M opening but ultimately is was a big flop. They should be praying for very strong legs.
 
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