freenudemacusers
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hunting spry rabbits
Sold my old car and got a gun as part of the deal. What now?
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DoktorEvil
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As a Northeastern US citizen, these things blow my mind.
It's difficult to even get a single firearm in NYS.
SuicideUZI
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It's not about "need" I'm sure you own a lot of things that you don't need. a lot of people in the states are collectors or hobbyist who just like to have them and that's a legit of a reason as anything else. I currently own 4 different pistols, I dont "need" any of them. That being said fully automatic weapons are pretty rare, most people are fine just having the semi-auto version.
Ryan242004
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This has to be one of the most ridiculous videos I have ever seen...
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Sure, and many probably don't disagree with that but that's not even close to what he's doing. Instead of any of that, he's having someone falsify multiple documents in hopes that he can get a carrying license. It's literally the exact opposite of what a prudent person would do.
Ignore him, the guns-cars comparison is a classic NRA talking point.
FreddieQuell
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A gun's main function is to shoot bullets, not kill people.
Yep. That's what why guns were invented.
"Wouldn't it be cool if there was a device that propelled a metal projectile at a speed of hundreds of feet per second? But just for target practice and stuff."
Ya, you can't even own a taser.
Feels so weird when people outside of the US comment on America being gun crazy after seeing pics of people carrying automatic rifles into a Target or Walmart. The culture varies so much from state to state.
But it's okay, since the law says felons can't own guns. Now seller/buyer beware (if you want - it's optional).
The system works
DoktorEvil
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Do Europeans know that gun policy varies from state to state?
Also, it sounds like the instructor is committing a major felony by certifying you as having completed training that you didn't actually do.
And you might be committing a major felony by having/using that certification to get a conceal carry permit, too.
This is ridiculous.
And you might be committing a major felony by having/using that certification to get a conceal carry permit, too.
This is ridiculous.
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Haha.
FreddieQuell
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There are what, 30000 gun deaths each year in a country with how many hundreds of millions of guns? The main use of guns in this country is clearly not to kill people.
Is that satire? My bicycle's function is to turn wheels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Out of the 75 countries listed, only 18 have higher firearm homicide rates than the US:
Barbados
Argentina
Philippines
Uruguay
Costa Rica
Nicaragua
Paraguay
Mexico
Panama
South Africa
Brazil
Colombia
Guatemala
Swaziland
Venezuela
Jamaica
El Salvador
Honduras
The US is the "best country in the world." More people shouldn't be dying involuntarily via more lethal weapon wounds in a country that prides itself as the best of humanity.
FreddieQuell
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Nah, I'm being serious. Just looking at the numbers how can you say that the main purpose of guns bought by civilians in this country is killing people when less than .01 percent of guns are used in that capacity?
Go buy some ciggerettes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNmZ8bqkXvw
In all seriousness find a way to get rid of the gun. Owning a gun is not something you should want to do as there's no bears, wolves or anything that might jump you, only a person and a person is more likely to shoot you if you have a gun. Guns bring nothing but ttrouble.
In all seriousness find a way to get rid of the gun. Owning a gun is not something you should want to do as there's no bears, wolves or anything that might jump you, only a person and a person is more likely to shoot you if you have a gun. Guns bring nothing but ttrouble.
VARIA
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This. You got framed OP.
First of all, you're talking about two different things. You said a gun's main function is "to shoot bullets." Then you start going on about the "main use" of guns. The first statement is asinine on its face. The second is a sad comment on how acclimated we've become to gun violence as a simple fact of life, when in fact it's eminently preventable.
If 30,000 Americans were dying annually from virtually any other cause, we'd be setting up foundations and task forces to study the root causes and try to prevent it from happening. But because people die from gun violence, we can't even talk about it because some are so convinced that the right to own as many guns as you want free of restriction was passed down from Moses on a stone tablet.
One of the biggest reasons we have so many gun deaths is because of the ubiquity of guns. Anyone who gets the slightest impulse to harm themselves or others can access a firearm with few if any meaningful restrictions.
There's a reason those who want to end their lives predominantly choose firearms: because guns are effective at killing.
http://lostallhope.com/suicide-statistics/us-methods-suicide
It's a public health issue.
I'm not even arguing this from an anti-gun or "gun control" perspective. If you can't admit that the primary function of a gun (as a concept, as a tool) is to cause serious injury/death, then you're beyond hope.
If the primary purpose is recreation, then people wouldn't throw a hissy fit over regulatory measures and the government "taking away their guns." They certainly wouldn't think an individual right to own firearms is important enough to be part of a constitution.
No, the main purpose of firearms is, and always has been, as a weapon.
Actually, no they don't
Imaigne if more people used guns when attempting suicide... we're talking literally hundreds of thousands more deaths each year, purely due to method of attempted suicide.
Hahaha. Amazing
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One of my favourite Jam sketches, I immediately thought of it when I read the op but considered it far too obscure to post. Merry Christmas
IISANDERII
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my PS4's main function is to reorganize electrons, not play videogames.
yes, guns are just rapid bullet dispensers, killing people is just a side-effect
This is one of the very few restrictions on firearms that I support. If you're a threat to yourself or are a crazy person, no gun for you. The problem then becomes how. It would require passing new firearm laws, but also somehow amending HIPAA. It's an incredibly daunting task, one that would easily allow lawmakers to fuck up and either over restrict or under restrict.
Fenderputty
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People only get upset at regulation because they want to use their weapons to kill? Every gun owner I know would be fine with more regulation and none of the gun owners I know have used their weapons in any capacity outside recreation. Your comment literally makes no fucking sense at all.
There are issues that prevent further regulation from happening:
1. The control crowd tends to have ZERO knowledge of guns. It makes them frame their arguments and form measures of control that gun owners don't find practical. IE: trying to outright ban the .223 instead of just controlling larger clip size because it looks scary.
2. Both sides misrepresent stats to benefit their cases.
3. The political climate in the country makes people stupid. The NRA and the GOP manipulate their constituents in ways that make them do things like buy up all the ammo because Obummer is taking our guns.
4. Money
FreddieQuell
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First of all I believe I am talking not about two different things, but really one. My first statement, that a guns main function is to shoot bullets, not kill people was informed by the second. I think it makes sense that a tools function is informed by its use. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the second statement was a sad comment on gun violence. Obviously I realize that guns were and are designed and invented for the express purpose of killing people. Their use in that way is a however miniscule in the US.
Violence of all forms in this country is a clear issue. The US is clearly an outlier compared to other countries and determining the cause of that is a worthy endeavor. I think it's disingenuous to say that we can't even talk about gun violence when clearly we are. Changes you might want are just not happening as fast as you'd like them to be. I never put forth any ideas I might have on gun control or my thoughts on it.
If you can't look at the numbers and see the astonishing rarirty that guns (remember these are tools built for the express intent of killing) are used to kill in this country then I believe you are just as beyond hope as you say I am.
rob305
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This is Miami, that's how things work here. My neighbor went to traffic school last Saturday, the first thing he was told was from the guy in charge "You don't want to be here for 4 hours and I don't want to be here for four hours. Give me $200 and you get your paper right now." He was in and out within 15 minutes. That's just one recent example, this kind of stuff happens every day here.
But I agree, I will ask the instructor that I want to take the classes for the permit. If I own a gun I want to be sure I know how to handle it and be safe.
Gnome Scat
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That was OP's tutorial mission.
The assumption that any of us gun owners NEED a gun is fucking hilarious every time I see it. Just think about that logic for a minute.
Do you need to go out and binge drink? Does someone into archery need a full size bow? Does someone who collects swords or other weapons need their edges to be sharp? Does someone need an extremely powerful car?
There are a lot of things people don't need but own because they can be enjoyable when used responsibly. Sorry that we don't say "fuck you" to the entire population just because a tiny minority uses something in a harmful way. Because Prohibition worked out sooooo well, right? Democrats and republicans alike are against that kind of government interference.
By the way, it's not like it's difficult to get a gun in Canada. In fact your laws regarding SBS/SBRs (short barrel rifles and shotguns) are significantly less strict than our own. Gun ownership in Canada is quite high. The only difference is you're not facing many of the societal issues that create gun violence in the US in the first place.
The "civilian" model AK available here is semi-auto. You can only buy a full-auto version if it was made before 1986 (pre-ban), you pay a $200 tax, you fill out a ton of ATF paperwork with extensive background checks, and you get approval from your local sheriff sheriff. Then in about 6 months when everything is approved, you have the legal right to purchase a pre-ban full auto AK.... which costs about $20,000. Yes, Twenty THOUSAND. Crimes committed with legally owned NFA weapons are virtually nonexistent because they're owned by collectors and enthusiasts. People who use full-autos in crimes use guns that are stolen, smuggled, or illegally modified and don't care about the potential ten year prison sentence associated with possessing such weapons.
Here's the thing though.... The ATF has strange rulings and there are potential workarounds in some cases. This, for example, is my Romanian AK-47:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTA_wM_X7EQ
While it LOOKS full-auto, and is definitely firing about as fast as a real full-auto AK, it's actually semi-automatic with an ATF approved stock that allows you to use the recoil of the gun to fire it very fast (aka bump-fire) while aiming normally. A huuuuuuge waste of ammo, but good fun.
Who knows how long it will last before the ATF decides to ban it, but my ATF approval letter and payment history should allow me to keep it as it would be grandfathered in as a pre-ban NFA item. Scary to someone who is unfamiliar with guns? Sure. But keep in mind that guns like this are very rarely used in crimes. Pistols make up something like 90% of all gun crimes in the US.
That's the thing, it *isn't* rare for guns to kill people in America. 30,000/year works out to over 82 people per day who are killed by firearms. Sure, that's a small sliver of a big country, but it's still a massive problem, and there are reasonable things we can do about it. Reducing gun violence is a noble aim, and it's shameful that we aren't doing more.
When I say "we can't talk about it" I'm not referring to you specifically, I'm talking about how any discussion about what to do about gun violence is impossible in our current political climate. The casual attitude about guns is really disturbing to me, but I'll say that most gun owners I've seen on GAF actually appear to be responsible and respectful of the power that firearms confer.
What pisses me off is when people like the OP talk about receiving a gun in a transaction for a car, like the seller threw in free tinted windows or something. It simply shouldn't be that easy, and the fact that the NRA guy was then able to certify him to carry it without any kind of background check or training is insane to me.
And sure, overall violence is an issue. But this seems like hand-waving to me, just like how Republicans pretend to be super concerned about mental health care after every mass shooting. We should be doing everything we can to prevent violence and keep people safe, and regulating the ownership and use of firearms is just one of the many things we can do.
I completely agree that it's too easy. The fact that the background check bill, which would prevent private sales and require transfers to go through an FFL/background check, failed in congress was absolutely shameful. The majority of Americans wanted the bill to pass because it just makes sense.
Fenderputty
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Bingo. Gun owners aren't the people preventing real legislation. It's the politicians, money and NRA controlling the arguments and riling people up.
What's amazing is Gonzo is pleasantly shocked that most gun owners on GAF are responsible. Like we're some aberration of the norm.
Haha, yeah. I love it when I'm automatically labeled as being dangerous or unstable or some kind of criminal for legally owning something that I use to shoot cans and paper targets with out in the middle of nowhere. What a menace to society I am.
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Become a bounty hunter.
FreddieQuell
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I believe gun deaths are rare with there being ~300 million guns in the country. I also feel that gun deaths aren't the direct cause for concern, but a symptom of something else fucked up with this country. Now I could concede that restricting access to guns can be a way to tackle this problem, but changing gun laws shouldn't be the beginning and end of someone's thoughts on the issue of violence in america. I know that's not what you are saying here, but I've been in many conversations where that is the case.
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