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Sonic 4 Ep 2 2 info revealed, New Physics Engine, new Graphics engine, playable Tails
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Azure Dream
Member
Oh, we're in for more of these trailers, huh... really love just seeing streaks of light over a speedlines background... waiting months to see half a second of Sonic running around a corkscrew.
It sounds like they've put a lot of extra work into something unnecessary. Making a "good" 2D Sonic engine shouldn't be an issue, they already have two they just released major products with. One is a pixel-perfect, highly modifiable, highly portable bitmap art-based engine, and the other is a polygonal 2.5D engine, designed for the 3DS and I assume portable to other platforms. Both of these feature physics that are close enough to the originals that they make fans happy, both handle different approaches. One of them was even developed by Dimps. Now maybe they needed to start development before either of these were really completed, or market-tested, but "2012" is a long time to port over assets and engine customization for a digital download game, and as we know the Retro Engine already functions great on Android and iOS devices in addition... unless they've added something really unique, I just don't see the point.
Maybe they're just going to port Episode 1 and release Episode 2 for Wii U. Sonic CD was the same way, it's possible the WiiWare format is just too restrictive, and Nintendo's not interested in altering it with their new console on the way.
It sounds like they've put a lot of extra work into something unnecessary. Making a "good" 2D Sonic engine shouldn't be an issue, they already have two they just released major products with. One is a pixel-perfect, highly modifiable, highly portable bitmap art-based engine, and the other is a polygonal 2.5D engine, designed for the 3DS and I assume portable to other platforms. Both of these feature physics that are close enough to the originals that they make fans happy, both handle different approaches. One of them was even developed by Dimps. Now maybe they needed to start development before either of these were really completed, or market-tested, but "2012" is a long time to port over assets and engine customization for a digital download game, and as we know the Retro Engine already functions great on Android and iOS devices in addition... unless they've added something really unique, I just don't see the point.
Maybe they're just going to port Episode 1 and release Episode 2 for Wii U. Sonic CD was the same way, it's possible the WiiWare format is just too restrictive, and Nintendo's not interested in altering it with their new console on the way.
I feel like it's possible the WiiWare version didn't sell too well.
infinityBCRT
Member
My criticism has nothing to do with hold right to win. I don't remember Marble Zone in Sonic 1 being hold right to win, but it wasn't luring you into traps either. It rarely gave you a situation where you had to learn by trial and error if you were good.
To be fair its been a couple of years since I played through the games but I definitely remember picking up Sonic 4 and saying this is some cheap level design and felt the same way about some of the levels I played in Generations. In fact, even a friend of mine who played the shit out of the Sonic games on the Genesis but hasn't been much of a gamer since noticed that Sonic 4 had some cheap level design without me even mentioning a thing.
And albeit I've never played through a whole Super Mario Bros game, I've played through a significant amount of New Super Mario Bros on DS and some of it on Wii and never felt those games had cheap level design.
This is fact.
First was such a disappointing game that I could not care any less.
Tails is a hipster confirmed.
Sega has to seriously prove that this game is fixed, because they really fucked themselves with episode 1.
.la1n
Member
Oh my dear god I had blocked that from memory.
edit: I'm not a programmer but how difficult would it be to implement the retro engine into modern sonic games?
This. Even if Episode 2 has good physics, it won't matter if the level design is still bad.
I didn't mind the Torch gimmick until you had to fucking light them up to rise platforms in a specific order. Not only was it annoying but it also broke the pacing. What were they thinking?
Oh and FUCK those small rotating rooms with water and spikes.
Azure Dream
Member
Pretty sure it came out the WiiWare version was the highest-selling version. If they're skipping Wii, it's for a reason.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I look forward to rehashes of the Mega Drive games with shitty physics and Flash-style graphics. Just like Ep1.
Oh, my mistake then. That's strange.
La-Mulana was confirmed to still be coming out on WiiWare
BlazeHedgehog
Member
After what an ugly hype monster Sonic 4 Episode 1 became, Sega's going to have to do a lot better than that shitty teaser trailer to get me excited.
Mama Robotnik
Member
I've not clicked on any links or videos, but why do people keep talking about facial hair and a mighty beard?
Does Sonic have a beard in this one? Is that the new gimmick?
Does Sonic have a beard in this one? Is that the new gimmick?
Azure Dream
Member
There's pictures above, during the interview, Ken had his beard colored and trimmed to look like Tails' tails.
It's... not the best of promotional choices they could've made.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
This. As much as people don't like Sonic 4: Episode 1, Sonic 2006 was an utter tragedy.
Bomberman Act Zero is just depressing. :/
Iizuka-san's wisdom should be heard by everyone.
(No prob. I thought some of the bits in the interview were interesting nonetheless. It's too bad the interview was posted so late in the year post-release, though.)
He also said Emerald Hill Zone was a favourite in the fan voting. But it had too many similarities to Green Hill Zone in terms of atmosphere and stage design, so they ended up picking levels that varied in terms of design and atmosphere overall if there were too many similarities between the top stages that were voted for.
I think they said they had no current plans for the Classic Sonic model post-Generations.DimmuBurgerKing said:
funkystudent
Member
"we really listened to the fans, new physics, new graphics"
"now here is a trailer that doesn't show any of that shit"
are Dimps still developing?
"now here is a trailer that doesn't show any of that shit"
are Dimps still developing?
What? Who the hell did they poll? Emerald Hill is like the worst first level in the classic games. I'd call it my least favorite level in Sonic 2 if Oil Ocean wasn't so boring.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Hot Coldman
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Consent City is Amy's least favourite place to be.
sixteen-bit
Member
shouldn't be difficult to be better than the previous one, right?
MidnightScott
Banned
Hopefully they fix the physics...
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That's certainly true.>half the stages in Generations are the first stages in their respective game
SEGA employees from around the world, and I think they asked fans on Twitter and Facebook.
Also, I concur with your dislike of Oil Ocean.
Yep, can't believe they're doing this shit again.
And the problem with DIMPS is their terrible level design that incorporates shitty enemy placement and an overuse of pitfalls.
My thoughts exactly. I hate it when they do trailers like this.
ThatObviousUser
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I can understand not doing WiiWare, but why not 3DS? Or the eShop?
There are demos for retail games on the eShop that are more than 330 megabytes. That should be more than enough room, especially if they properly down-res the assets for the 3DS's screen.
It's probably coming to the WiiU eShop which is yet to be announced.
ThatObviousUser
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But why not 3DS? If it's coming to Windows Phone of all things, I don't see a reason why not.
Hopefully it'll be sort of a Generations 3DS situation where they realize "Oh wait, Sonic games do well on Nintendo platforms! Let's also port this thing to 3DS."
I can't see any plausible scenario where it sold less than the WP7 version.
R_thanatos
Member
it's the same as the needdlemouse trailer back then that annonced sonic 4ep1 .
We should see a trailer with gameplay in 1 or 2 months
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Teehee
Poor Ken. He was just trying to have some fun
Professor Beef
Banned
So who is going to carry the torch for HUELEN this episode?
Don't worry, I got this one!
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Poor Huelen.
He didn't really strike me as bad, but very enthusiastic. Though I wasn't on GAF at that time, so I guess I wouldn't really know.
He didn't really strike me as bad, but very enthusiastic. Though I wasn't on GAF at that time, so I guess I wouldn't really know.
Professor Beef
Banned
Neither was I. I caught the meltdown though...yeowza.
Maybe they pushed SonicCD into the Timeline to use the TT feature to get Sonic back to the past -> RetroEngine
Well you see, that's sensible. This is Sonic Team+Dimps.
PeakPointMatrix
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That was when I joined, and just as I was beginning to really enjoy him as a poster, bam, dead. How sad that Sonic Ep1 was the first major thread I posted in. Time flies!