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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic
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Azure Dream
Member
I just downloaded and played the European PSN demo, which let me test my 3D TV (I can't use the 360's 3D option because I have an older, component-only 360). I turned it up a bit higher than midway for Classic, and it was nice enough, like before. Turned it up to full for Modern Sonic, and wow, that could get addictive. I couldn't help but imagine playing it with this thing.
The framerate did suffer a bit in 3D, but not intolerably so, and not as badly as the first demo. It's a nice extra if you have the capability.
The framerate did suffer a bit in 3D, but not intolerably so, and not as badly as the first demo. It's a nice extra if you have the capability.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Finished the demo a few times. A few things I noticed:
I'm glad Omochao can be turned off in the retail release. I was fully expecting it to call me SENPAI after a while. -_-
- The framerate isn't as bad as the previous demo's while playing as Classic Sonic. I did not get nauseous while playing this several times, so good job, SEGA!
- Music still loops awkwardly in both acts. I hope this is fixed in the retail game.
- Controls for Modern Sonic feel better than Unleashed, I think. I'll have to go back and check that, but I really liked this one. The vibrancy of Green Hill Zone also adds to the atmosphere while boosting.
- Classic Sonic jumps higher, good bounce after hitting an enemy
- some areas feel less automated
Since the demo is more about Modern Sonic than Classic Sonic, I'll focus on that.
This game is not boost to win or hold right to win, even in Modern Sonic's case. There are multiple pathways throughout both acts, and because the Red Rings are included, you are encouraged to explore throughout Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic's levels. In fact, it seems like there are more alternate paths in Modern Sonic's Act than Classic Sonic's. So if all you do is boost, you're probably going to miss out on a lot of stuff, including Red Rings.
I... um...
I think that because of the actual scale of the level (ie: the size of the enemies and the size of the slopes, ground levels, etc relative to Sonic himself, sometimes the Homing Attack enhances the gameplay somewhat.
I think Modern Sonic's act is really really fun. It kind of feels better than Colours, actually (which in some respects felt better than Unleashed's). Pulling off tricks and drifting well is so fun. I'm completely sold on his gameplay now, so I'm looking forward to the other Modern levels as well.
I'm glad Omochao can be turned off in the retail release. I was fully expecting it to call me SENPAI after a while. -_-
- The framerate isn't as bad as the previous demo's while playing as Classic Sonic. I did not get nauseous while playing this several times, so good job, SEGA!
- Music still loops awkwardly in both acts. I hope this is fixed in the retail game.
- Controls for Modern Sonic feel better than Unleashed, I think. I'll have to go back and check that, but I really liked this one. The vibrancy of Green Hill Zone also adds to the atmosphere while boosting.
- Classic Sonic jumps higher, good bounce after hitting an enemy
- some areas feel less automated
Since the demo is more about Modern Sonic than Classic Sonic, I'll focus on that.
This game is not boost to win or hold right to win, even in Modern Sonic's case. There are multiple pathways throughout both acts, and because the Red Rings are included, you are encouraged to explore throughout Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic's levels. In fact, it seems like there are more alternate paths in Modern Sonic's Act than Classic Sonic's. So if all you do is boost, you're probably going to miss out on a lot of stuff, including Red Rings.
I... um...
I liked the 2D sections of Modern Sonic's levels a little more than the Classic sections.
I think Modern Sonic's act is really really fun. It kind of feels better than Colours, actually (which in some respects felt better than Unleashed's). Pulling off tricks and drifting well is so fun. I'm completely sold on his gameplay now, so I'm looking forward to the other Modern levels as well.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Been playing the PS3 version to compare to the 360 one.
The framerate seems just as good as 360 unless there's a ton happening onscreen. The only time I encountered a huge stutter was breaking the bridge.
Colors seem darker. I don't know if it's just my TV or what.
Don't like controlling the game with the standard PS3 controller. Reaching my finger for R2 to slide doesn't fell natural. Also, I went back to playing D-Pad with modern. normally I'm fine using my PS3 controller on all my games, but this one felt a little off.
Still, I got 1:58 on modern with this demo so it's not like I can't get used to it.
Overall, 360 is the better one IMO, but not by a wide margin or anything.
The framerate seems just as good as 360 unless there's a ton happening onscreen. The only time I encountered a huge stutter was breaking the bridge.
Colors seem darker. I don't know if it's just my TV or what.
Don't like controlling the game with the standard PS3 controller. Reaching my finger for R2 to slide doesn't fell natural. Also, I went back to playing D-Pad with modern. normally I'm fine using my PS3 controller on all my games, but this one felt a little off.
Still, I got 1:58 on modern with this demo so it's not like I can't get used to it.
Overall, 360 is the better one IMO, but not by a wide margin or anything.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
PROTIP: If you don't feel like tap the joystick or D-pad like crazy in mid air, just tap and hold in any direction. He'll keep doing the same trick over and over, but at least you'll get your boost. Just make sure to tap LB+RB to finish the combo.
MiamiWesker
Member
Yep, Modern Sonic feels better control wise than ever before. Genesis Sonic looks better as well, it seems like the motion blur was toned down.
It plays great, my problem is that there is no scoring system in the demo, there is no reason to play as modern sonic if there is no scoring system. The entire point is to get high scores.
It plays great, my problem is that there is no scoring system in the demo, there is no reason to play as modern sonic if there is no scoring system. The entire point is to get high scores.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
MiamiWesker said:
?? Who the heck ever plays sonic for high scores? The point is to get the best time in a speed run. Oh wait. You were just joking weren't you? I fell for it.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
RobbieNick said:
The game seems to use an evolved version of the Sonic Colors scoring system that rewards a lot of stuff including extra lives and such. Anything that adds more tech to replaying stages is a good addition.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
The scores are there. They are just at the end of the level in the full game. I guess I can understand where he's coming from, but I don't think that's the only point of playing a level. Especially in a demo.
Hot Coldman
Banned
OMG that demo was great. Modern Sonic plays great. Not happy about hearing voice acting in my Classic Sonic segments though >: (yeah yeah, I know about Tails)
jump_button
Banned
Wish Sonic Team would zoom out like they did with Sonic colours
Just tried the demo in 3D.
Classic is extremely improved with it. Issues of losing myself with the bright and busy background is completely gone. I really enjoyed it.
Modern takes a hit with frame rate in some sections (most noticeably the beginning). However, I saw visibility improvements in the behind-the-back sections. I was more easily able to see upcoming obstacles and time my jumps better.
This is one of the few games I can see myself playing more in 3D because it improves the experience and playability.
Classic is extremely improved with it. Issues of losing myself with the bright and busy background is completely gone. I really enjoyed it.
Modern takes a hit with frame rate in some sections (most noticeably the beginning). However, I saw visibility improvements in the behind-the-back sections. I was more easily able to see upcoming obstacles and time my jumps better.
This is one of the few games I can see myself playing more in 3D because it improves the experience and playability.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Just played the demo. Classic was very good, quite liked it. Modern was.. OK, I guess. I quite liked the 2D parts, but the 3D parts weren't really all that interesting IMO (not bad, but I liked the 2D parts more).
Edit: The framerate seems to be improved too
Edit: The framerate seems to be improved too
KennyLinder
Member
Just played the demo.
WHY is this 30fps?!?! Why?! Instant no buy, Sonic needs to be razor sharp and this is just sleepy.
WHY is this 30fps?!?! Why?! Instant no buy, Sonic needs to be razor sharp and this is just sleepy.
spindashing
Banned
Maaaaan, I am so hyped for this game.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Monty Mole
Member
I agree, 30fps just doesn't suit Sonic gameplay - makes it really difficult to make objects out etc when you're moving at frantic speed, especially in the 2D level. That said, this is on my rental list and I can't wait to slam through it, but 60fps and it would have been instabuy. As always with Sega, the get so many things right but always have to make one big fuck-upKennyLinder said:
EDIT: Really impressed with how colourful it all is though, especially given the amount of greys and browns most games are pumping out.
Azure Dream
Member
Dark Schala said:
I would guess so, there's even the possibility they might include all of the dub languages on the disc, since they're doing German, Italian etc dubs this time, not just English and Japanese.
I hope the developer part is wrong, since the company does not give me confidence:qq more said:
http://www.devilsdetails.biz/Projects.html
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Drkirby said:
What do you mean? Nutrition Matters = GOTG
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Thanks. I didn't know they were doing other dubs (or maybe I forgot *shrug*); that's kinda nice... if a French dub is included, I might use it for a bit. I like switching between the JP and Eng dubs as the game goes on, so extra dubs would be cool.Kulock said:
Yeah, it's obviously awesome.Combichristoffersen said:
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Dark Schala said:
AAA gameplay right there. Graphics make Uncharted 3 look like Pong.
Klaymator14
Member
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2254/uicommonskillgp.png image from the Skill Shop, So I guess Super Peel-Out is a skill you can get
Klaymator14 said:http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2254/uicommonskillgp.png image from the Skill Shop, So I guess Super Peel-Out is a skill you can get
Wow... This game... it has everything doesn't it?
except a level from Sonic 3
Okay, quick thoughts on the demo:
Classic Sonic plays and feels very little like the Mega Drive games. Sonic is far too weighty, yet the air control is far too loose. It's a very odd mix. I'm sure once I'm used to it I'll be fine but it's disappointing they couldn't render a more accurate platforming engine.
Modern Sonic is like Unleashed, so that's good, yet somehow feels different. I dunno, maybe a little more restricted than in Unleashed? Will have to play more to see how I feel. A lot less 2D platforming than Colours so that's good at least.
And I actually don't think they captured the look or feel of Green Hill Zone very well at all, either Classic or Modern. Everything feels muted and claustrophobic. There's a blue sky but it doesn't feel like one. I dunno, hard to explain.
THAT SAID
I am very much looking forward to this game. Seems a solid entry. With time it might grow on me as something more. At least it is SEGA being consciously aware of what in theory makes a good Sonic game.
Classic Sonic plays and feels very little like the Mega Drive games. Sonic is far too weighty, yet the air control is far too loose. It's a very odd mix. I'm sure once I'm used to it I'll be fine but it's disappointing they couldn't render a more accurate platforming engine.
Modern Sonic is like Unleashed, so that's good, yet somehow feels different. I dunno, maybe a little more restricted than in Unleashed? Will have to play more to see how I feel. A lot less 2D platforming than Colours so that's good at least.
And I actually don't think they captured the look or feel of Green Hill Zone very well at all, either Classic or Modern. Everything feels muted and claustrophobic. There's a blue sky but it doesn't feel like one. I dunno, hard to explain.
THAT SAID
I am very much looking forward to this game. Seems a solid entry. With time it might grow on me as something more. At least it is SEGA being consciously aware of what in theory makes a good Sonic game.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
BTW, where can I read the Omochao spoilers regarding the final boss?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Ermm......
Game of the forever....
I wouldn't do this if was you, but if you really wanna know......
edit: removed because the spoiler tags are playing up
edit2 : find it here.
A recent GM scan reveals that the game has a shop where you can buy skill upgrades and such.....but how would you react if I told you that a SUPER PEEL OUT icon was in the demo files?
Game of the forever....
Combichristoffersen said:
I wouldn't do this if was you, but if you really wanna know......
edit: removed because the spoiler tags are playing up
edit2 : find it here.
http://board.sonicstadium.org/topic/9422-hidden-assets-of-the-generations-demo-spoilers/page__view__findpost__p__374889
Combichristoffersen said:
To be honest I agree, but Its amazing for nostalgic purposes that they even considered it IMO
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Pics/scans of the Skill Shop are out there, as someone has already said.
Skills:
Also, an amusing pic of Classic Sonic probably meeting Modern Sonic and looking underwhelmed.
Skills:
-Athleticism (200 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-Sure-footed (land on your feet after getting damaged) (500 pts) (Act 1/Act 2) (costs 20 SP to equip)
-Safety Net (1000 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-Last Chance (2000 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-10-Second Rings (1500 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-Shield (cost 1200 pts) (Act 1 only)
-Sure-footed (land on your feet after getting damaged) (500 pts) (Act 1/Act 2) (costs 20 SP to equip)
-Safety Net (1000 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-Last Chance (2000 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-10-Second Rings (1500 pts) (Act 1/Act 2)
-Shield (cost 1200 pts) (Act 1 only)
Also, an amusing pic of Classic Sonic probably meeting Modern Sonic and looking underwhelmed.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
I would react by saying
it's visually a cool skill, but ultimately not all that useful since it leaves you open for damage
Aaron Strife
Banned
I kind of hope it's Crisis City.Dark Schala said:
spindashing
Banned
I played the demo just now. Modern Sonic is so good. There's still some motion blur issues on the Classic Sonic on the PS3, but I can manage.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
Member
I feel that some of the personality is missing from the Classic segment.
Little touches like adding Sonic's 'push' animation and having animals break free from defeated enemies would've gone a long way in this regard.
I'm still hugely impressed overall. Little nitpicks here and there but none of them matter in the face of Sega finally getting what 2D Sonic is all about!
Little touches like adding Sonic's 'push' animation and having animals break free from defeated enemies would've gone a long way in this regard.
I'm still hugely impressed overall. Little nitpicks here and there but none of them matter in the face of Sega finally getting what 2D Sonic is all about!