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[Gravijah]

why is this specifically called sonic 4 if it doesn't pick up after sonic & knuckles?

cuz it's the 4th sonic the hedgehog game

 

[Combichristoffersen]

why is this specifically called sonic 4 if it doesn't pick up after sonic & knuckles?

Supposedly it's picking up some time after S3&K, with Sonic having ragekilled his shitty friends ditched Tails and Knuckles to go on an adventure alone, and then Robotnik appears to fuck shit up again

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

why is this specifically called sonic 4 if it doesn't pick up after sonic & knuckles?

Money.

 

[Regulus Tera]

why is this specifically called sonic 4 if it doesn't pick up after sonic & knuckles?

$$$

Edit: Dammit Segata.

 

[Synless]

why is this specifically called sonic 4 if it doesn't pick up after sonic & knuckles?

Because Sega doesn't know what they are doing. However, I played the demo on PS3 and it was pretty damn good. A couple complaints though.

1. You can still walk up walls.
2. Sonic feels like a truck.
3. Music sucks.

Other than that, pretty solid game and I will support their step I'm the right direction. Ruby if you read this make a suggestion for Sonic Team to play Sonic 1-Knuckles again and again until they figure out how it is supposed to play.

 

[wind_steaker]

wow... 9/10 on eurogamer.

Not sure what to think, maybe I should buy it to encourage good sonic games.... maybe I should wait for a bundle of all the episodes though, do we know how many there will be?

 

[7echnicolor]

I really don't think we'll see any drastic changes in Episode 2 (to the physics). If there's lock-on with Episode 1 (which I'm sure there will be)

Unless they patch Episode 1 with the changes they make to Episode 2 (that's possible for a downloadable title right?) I don't see them changing anything that big. Hearing about the ending for Episode 1 has me really excited for Ep2 though.

 

[YuriLowell]

So are the physics floaty? What are people hating with the physics?

 

[Combichristoffersen]

do we know how many there will be?

No. Sega hasn't even started production on episode 2, besides writing the story.

 

[S1kkZ]

where did you guys get the psn demo? its not on the uk or us store.

 

[Regulus Tera]

No. Sega hasn't even started production on episode 2, besides writing the story.

Eggman robotises cute little critters, Sonic goes save them.

Nothing less, nothing more.

 

[jman2050]

So are the physics floaty? What are people hating with the physics?

Overly tight, not fluid at all, and there's pretty much no momentum to speak of when moving around. It works I guess, but it's just really not fun at all moving Sonic around. There's no real skill involved at all.

 

[Diablohead]

where did you guys get the psn demo? its not on the uk or us store.

Japan store I think, read it somewhere but I have no ps3 to check myself.

 

[S1kkZ]

Japan store I think, read it somewhere but I have no ps3 to check myself.

thanks, found it.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

You know, after playing the demo... not bad. Not $15 good, but I'm a patient man. There will be sales.

 

[Chao]

So are the physics floaty? What are people hating with the physics?

Physics are this bad:

http://www.twitvid.com/WFAE1

http://twitvid.com/3T6ZO

 

[Mael]

So in the end I'm vindicated :
It's not the worst thing ever but it should never have been called Sonic 4

I know I'm easy to please.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Eggman robotises cute little critters, Sonic goes save them.

Nothing less, nothing more.

That would be nice. But this is Sonic after all, so expect some awful attempt at a grandiose soap opera story, with implied human/hedgehog sexual relations. And darknesssssss.

 

[dark10x]

Oh come on, did you really have to go there? Couldn't we have gone a little longer before invoking Mario into this discussion?

Cause you know that's just not going to end well at all.

It's not as if I'm trolling Mario here.

Sonic 4 is good in the same way as NSMB. Both games have changed the controls enough to play differently than their original releases. Mario World is my favorite in that series and NSMB plays nothing like it. They both have a similar approach to visuals. While neither offer great audio, I'd argue that Sonic 4 is at least a huge step beyond NSMB which had some of the most boring tunes in the series history.

These two games were made in the same mold.

It's not the worst thing ever but it should never have been called Sonic 4

That may have been their biggest mistake.

 

[Gravijah]

You know, after playing the demo... not bad. Not $15 good, but I'm a patient man. There will be sales.

Not bad? Guess I'll try out the demo myself. I'm not too hard to please.

 

[Synless]

You know, after playing the demo... not bad. Not $15 good, but I'm a patient man. There will be sales.

All the hate and suddenly, "not bad". :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

Played the Japanese PSN demo and enjoyed it a lot. Definitely picking it up now.

And I was surprised at how clean the game looks. The image quality is extremely nice.

 

[Boney]

Not bad isn't really appealing though...

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

All the hate and suddenly, "not bad". :lol

'hate'?

You obviously have me confused with someone else.

Well, I mean, 'hate' is a pretty good word to generally describe me on NeoGAF, but if one were to summarize my stance on the Sonic 4 issue through all of this, I'd probably have fallen on the side of the defenders.

I still hate Sonic fans, though. All of you.

 

[Regulus Tera]

'hate'?

You obviously have me confused with someone else.

Well, I mean, 'hate' is a pretty good word to generally describe me on NeoGAF, but if one were to summarize my stance on the Sonic 4 issue through all of this, I'd probably have fallen on the side of the defenders.

I still hate Sonic fans, though. All of you.

You're slowly becoming one of them.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

You're slowly becoming one of them.

Trust me, that won't happen. I've seen... things.

 

[Mael]

It's not as if I'm trolling Mario here.

Sonic 4 is good in the same way as NSMB. Both games have changed the controls enough to play differently than their original releases. Mario World is my favorite in that series and NSMB plays nothing like it. They both have a similar approach to visuals. While neither offer great audio, I'd argue that Sonic 4 is at least a huge step beyond NSMB which had some of the most boring tunes in the series history.

These two games were made in the same mold.

I see where you came from here but the phrasing doesn't help, seriously if I read too quickly you seem to imply that Sonic 4 is somehow better than nsmb (and for the audio I can readily see that being true).
Yet NSMB added some set of moves from its 3d brethen (like Sonic4), even some that totally change the way you interact with the gameworld.
But that's where the similarity ends.
I mean while the walljump is some crazy acrobatic that should be in all platformers from now,
the homing attack is like it's polar opposite which removes control from the player while the walljump actually give more control.

In short, nsmb gave us crazy good platforming with walljumping while I fear Sonic 4 relying on homing attack might suffer from it.

But yeah if the game is fun, nothing to say except mission accomplished to whoever made it (it's a bit upseting that they could call that Sonic 4 if it's not perfect though).

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Trust me, that won't happen. I've seen... things.

The kind of people who cheer sonic 06 cutscenes?

 

[dark10x]

In short, nsmb gave us crazy good platforming with walljumping while I fear Sonic 4 relying on homing attack might suffer from it.

But yeah if the game is fun, nothing to say except mission accomplished to whoever made it (it's a bit upseting that they could call that Sonic 4 if it's not perfect though).

I'm not convinced the homing attack is going to ruin anything, though. This isn't like Sonic Rush with its boost button here.

It's definitely not perfect, but I feel the same way about NSMB's controls (which are too slippery and slow compared to Mario 3 and Mario World), but that did not ruin the game.

 

[Fersis]

'hate'?

You obviously have me confused with someone else.

Well, I mean, 'hate' is a pretty good word to generally describe me on NeoGAF, but if one were to summarize my stance on the Sonic 4 issue through all of this, I'd probably have fallen on the side of the defenders.

I still hate Sonic fans, though. All of you.

And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

 

[Lijik]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves

Nah it works. They're both average games in their respective series that are throwbacks with bland art styles.

 

[Suzuki Yu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkeyrU3wSw&feature=player_embedded#!

:O

 

[7echnicolor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkeyrU3wSw&feature=player_embedded#!

:O

Wow!

 

[Link1110]

I'm really liking it so far. Maybe I'm not picky, but I think that the Sonic Cycle has been averted here (and I hated the whole series after Sonic Adventure 2). A few issues (I've gotten to the end of the first zone so far.)

- Why does the game give you a full level select for just beating the first act? Copuldn't they just let you choose levels you beat already

- The special stages need an option to reverse left and right. These controls killed me in Tales of Vesperia, which wasn't even an action game.

 

[The Technomancer]

Overly tight, not fluid at all, and there's pretty much no momentum to speak of when moving around. It works I guess, but it's just really not fun at all moving Sonic around. There's no real skill involved at all.

Yeah, lack of momentum was what really killed it for me. There was a very specific mid-air momentum that Sonic had in the Genesis games, and since they were trying for Genesis level design here having that momentum screwed up really messed with my ability to tightly navigate the levels.

 

[dark10x]

I'm really liking it so far. Maybe I'm not picky, but I think that the Sonic Cycle has been averted here (and I hated the whole series after Sonic Adventure 2). A few issues (I've gotten to the end of the first zone so far.)

- Why does the game give you a full level select for just beating the first act? Copuldn't they just let you choose levels you beat already

- The special stages need an option to reverse left and right. These controls killed me in Tales of Vesperia, which wasn't even an action game.

They give you a full level select on consoles too? :\ Thought that was just an iPhone design choice.

 

[Wessiej]

They give you a full level select on consoles too? :\ Thought that was just an iPhone design choice.

Yeah, they made the whole game casual shit.

 

[Windom Earle]

Are there any differences between PS360 and Wii versions despite resolution?

 

[Nabs]

doesn't seem like it. i don't think the ps3 / xbox version is out there yet, so we'll have to wait and see.

 

[ismaboof]

I've played the JPN demo at least ten times.

I like it. Sonic feels a little slow and heavy, but its not a deal breaker.

 

[dark10x]

doesn't seem like it. i don't think the ps3 / xbox version is out there yet, so we'll have to wait and see.

PS3 demo is available on the JP store.

 

[AgentOtaku]

Played the PS3 trial. Looks gorgeous and everything else fits. Just wish the blue blur would move his ass a bit quicker.

Definitely buying though...

 

[Diablohead]

Are there any differences between PS360 and Wii versions despite resolution?

Wii music is different, as in it's not ogg or mp3 files it's midi sort of stuff to keep the game filesize low, obviously lower res and the option to use motion tilt for the special stages, that's about it I think.

 

[Azure Dream]

Launch Trailer

By now plenty of people have already played through these levels (except us 360 LTTPs), but it's pretty well cut, and the touch at the end was funny.

 

[Windom Earle]

Wii music is different, as in it's not ogg or mp3 files it's midi sort of stuff to keep the game filesize low, obviously lower res and the option to use motion tilt for the special stages, that's about it I think.

Yeah, it's either Wii or PS3 for me, 360 is not an option because of the controller. Guess I'll go PS3 in the end because trophies are a nice bonus.

 

[Pappasman]

I need to try this on a console because the controls on the iPhone are horrendous.

 

[Interstellar]

Tried the PS3 JPN demo.

Not sure if it was mentioned but the game supports custom soundtracks from the XMB (if the original music is not to your liking). Also it's 1080p.

Enjoyed the demo - will purchase maybe.

 

[Dark Machine]

Tried the PS3 JPN demo.

Not sure if it was mentioned but the game supports custom soundtracks from the XMB (if the original music is not to your liking). Also it's 1080p.

Enjoyed the demo - will purchase maybe.

For true?! Huzzah! Remix of S&K Boss theme is going right in there!

 

[DR2K]

Played the demo. The physics piss me off, I went to national geographic and the way the hedgehogs move is nothing like in this game. Totally inaccurate, it's impossible to enjoy this game. The visuals were good, the mechanics were solid, I even had fun, but Sega promised me physics, so no buy.

 

[electroshockwave]

Played the demo. The physics piss me off, I went to national geographic and the way the hedgehogs move is nothing like in this game. Totally inaccurate, it's impossible to enjoy this game. The visuals were good, the mechanics were solid, I even had fun, but Sega promised me physics, so no buy.

4/10