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Sonic the Hedgehog Community |OT2 Battle|
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This looks like the Mega Man equivalent of hell.
Lightning Lord
Banned
I don't think we will be seeing a Viewtiful Joe 3, at least not for a long time.
This generation pretty much marked the death of my favorite genre, 3D platformers, yet also gave me two of the best ones of all time, the Mario Galaxies.
Also, since this is the Sonic thread in which we barely talk about Sonic, it's also funny how this generation produced both the worst and possibly best 3D Sonic games.
Also, since this is the Sonic thread in which we barely talk about Sonic, it's also funny how this generation produced both the worst and possibly best 3D Sonic games.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Speaking of Sonic, which Sonic game has the best starting zone? I'm gonna have to go with Mushroom Hill, it looks really great, they really made a great use of the zone itself with the various functions of the fungi and it has some really good music as well. A close second would be Angel Island...at least until it burns up, I was really hoping to play for longer in the jungle setting, it was really cool and appealing to the eyes.
Hmm.. I might actually go with Mushroom Hill too. I especially loved that the season changes in the middle of Act 2.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Mushroom Hill is the best, but I don't count it because I'm not one of you Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles are separate games heathens, they're one big glorious platforming masterpiece.
So going by those rules...(≖‿≖ ) (ღ˘‿˘ღ
(✿ ♥‿♥ Angel Island Zone ¯\_(ツ_/¯ (-"‿"-) ( ≖‿≖
So going by those rules...(≖‿≖ ) (ღ˘‿˘ღ
(✿ ♥‿♥ Angel Island Zone ¯\_(ツ_/¯ (-"‿"-) ( ≖‿≖Nocturnowl
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I want to say Tropical Resort for bringing a truly unique experience to the table, that being the feeling that the 3D Sonic game you just started might actually be damn good this time.
I'm considering this myself, I might buy it, get inevitably frustrated with my ability and then abandon it.
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
Because there's a thread on Gaming Side, that's why.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Mmm! My participation in the Time Travelers thread made me remember that we have a Soundtrack of the Year thread at the end of the year! Did anyone feel like they've played games this year or heard soundtracks this year that appealed to them very much?
I mean, Metal Gear Rising's a strong contender for me, but now I have to remember what else I've listened to this year.
Even Tropical Resort was a nice welcome for the sake of showing the player that you're not starting with a cutscene and it's like a return to older Sonic openings with thrusting the player into the level. Nocturnowl's right on the money for this one.
Green Hill also tells the player everything Sonic does from a momentum standpoint. The hills facilitate his rolling and building momentum. The loops allow him to go faster. There are springs for him to climb higher terrain, etc. Functionally, it's a good level, but it's not as memorable to me as Mushroom Hill/Angel Island/Windmill Isle.
I mean, Metal Gear Rising's a strong contender for me, but now I have to remember what else I've listened to this year.
You actually answered your question for me. I'd pick Angel Island or Mushroom Hill... or even Windmill Isle, myself. Angel Island is an interesting twist on the Hill level trope, though I do like the second act a lot.
Even Tropical Resort was a nice welcome for the sake of showing the player that you're not starting with a cutscene and it's like a return to older Sonic openings with thrusting the player into the level. Nocturnowl's right on the money for this one.
Green Hill also tells the player everything Sonic does from a momentum standpoint. The hills facilitate his rolling and building momentum. The loops allow him to go faster. There are springs for him to climb higher terrain, etc. Functionally, it's a good level, but it's not as memorable to me as Mushroom Hill/Angel Island/Windmill Isle.
I was going to mention that in my post but elected not to, lol. But yeah, we hit the lowest of the lows for Sonic, and a resurrection for the series culminating with Sonic Generations. That's interesting.
The Xtortionist
Member
City Escape for its spectacle and overall first impression, Angel Island for its twists (Super Sonic? NOPE. Peaceful tropical stage theme? NOPE. ), and Tropical Resort for its quality in combination with how unassuming it is.
Tropical Resort is an refreshing case of a game selling itself to the player with pure gameplay, devoid of context. What a confident move. Sonic Colors was good.
Killer Instinct is making a case for me. It's so...ferocious.
To wrap up my series of Mario musings, Super Mario World:
SMW is remarkable in part for what it lacks. NSMB DS was built on top of SM64 DS and happily used holdovers from that, and every game since has done nothing but add, add, add. Very little is ever cut, and what already works is never altered. SMW, being built on top of SMB3, cut damn near everything. A few elements survived, some that were already series staples and some that World cemented as such. Select few ideas got through without a mechanics update, and you can count on one hand the ones that merely got reshaded 8-bit sprites instead of at least being redrawn. It's a wildly inventive game, coming directly on the heels of a much different wildly inventive game. And while SMB3 has been pumped nearly dry by the NSMBs, World's still hanging onto a couple dozen ideas that no other game has ever touched, and that number gets much larger if you include the ones that've only ever recurred once in Yoshi's Story, Super Princess Peach, or Advance 4's e-reader content. More than any other entry in the series, it remains distinct.
I'd also say that it represents the series' best mechanics. There's much that can and has been said about the physics; it isn't quite accurate to say that there's no momentum, just that the player doesn't have to care about it. No other Mario can turn on a dime and curve through the air like World's, and the underwater controls are heavenly even before you get into the interesting interactions with held items. Held items themselves have never been better; being able to kick upwards is a gamechanger, there are some interesting puzzles revolving around moving P-switches, and being able to hang onto Koopa shells without them being ticking bombs makes them much more viable to drag around. Popping them out of their shells in the first place is a great dynamic, and the differences between the four colors makes it all the more interesting. And that's before you get into their interaction with Yoshi, which was a lot of the fun of having him around in the first place. And completely independent of the platforming is the overworld, which Nintendo still can't duplicate worth a damn 22 years later.
You'll never see a game over, but it can get legitimately tricky at times, too. SMB3 is the slower paced game of the two (though it's still faster than any NSMB title), and even the Japanese version that drops you to small Mario on hit just never gets hard thanks to how easy it is to just not get hit in the first place. SMW plays faster to begin with and throws more enemies and hazards at you in less predictable ways.
It's still the series' finest moment. It's the perfect sequel, the game that captures the exact same sense of newness while being fundamentally the same, just deeper. It's the S3&K to SMB3's Sonic 2. And they'll never make anything like it again.
SMW is remarkable in part for what it lacks. NSMB DS was built on top of SM64 DS and happily used holdovers from that, and every game since has done nothing but add, add, add. Very little is ever cut, and what already works is never altered. SMW, being built on top of SMB3, cut damn near everything. A few elements survived, some that were already series staples and some that World cemented as such. Select few ideas got through without a mechanics update, and you can count on one hand the ones that merely got reshaded 8-bit sprites instead of at least being redrawn. It's a wildly inventive game, coming directly on the heels of a much different wildly inventive game. And while SMB3 has been pumped nearly dry by the NSMBs, World's still hanging onto a couple dozen ideas that no other game has ever touched, and that number gets much larger if you include the ones that've only ever recurred once in Yoshi's Story, Super Princess Peach, or Advance 4's e-reader content. More than any other entry in the series, it remains distinct.
I'd also say that it represents the series' best mechanics. There's much that can and has been said about the physics; it isn't quite accurate to say that there's no momentum, just that the player doesn't have to care about it. No other Mario can turn on a dime and curve through the air like World's, and the underwater controls are heavenly even before you get into the interesting interactions with held items. Held items themselves have never been better; being able to kick upwards is a gamechanger, there are some interesting puzzles revolving around moving P-switches, and being able to hang onto Koopa shells without them being ticking bombs makes them much more viable to drag around. Popping them out of their shells in the first place is a great dynamic, and the differences between the four colors makes it all the more interesting. And that's before you get into their interaction with Yoshi, which was a lot of the fun of having him around in the first place. And completely independent of the platforming is the overworld, which Nintendo still can't duplicate worth a damn 22 years later.
You'll never see a game over, but it can get legitimately tricky at times, too. SMB3 is the slower paced game of the two (though it's still faster than any NSMB title), and even the Japanese version that drops you to small Mario on hit just never gets hard thanks to how easy it is to just not get hit in the first place. SMW plays faster to begin with and throws more enemies and hazards at you in less predictable ways.
It's still the series' finest moment. It's the perfect sequel, the game that captures the exact same sense of newness while being fundamentally the same, just deeper. It's the S3&K to SMB3's Sonic 2. And they'll never make anything like it again.
Nocturnowl
Member
I'm left wondering what big ideas SMW has that supposedly haven't been "mined" by the NSMB series. A lot of the various mechanics or hazards that were new to SMW have been reused just as much as SMB3, Block snakes, crushing columns, buzzsaws, wire fences, secret exits, switch palace, ghost houses, Yoshi and even things like the wall running block inspired the NSMBU mini mushroom.
Not a knock on World here, just not sure I get what you're driving at.
As for examples i'm thinking Don't Speak Her Name (Fire Emblem: Awakening), It Has To Be This Way (Metal Gear Rising) and Victory in the Dream World (M&L Dream Team).
Yeah in the cases of all three of the above games soundtracks I think they're good but not quite great (gets mauled by a good half of Sonic Gaf yelling something about the rules of nature).
Still we're far from done yet, Rayman will be out over here in about 2 weeks and the demo has assured me that there will be great music within. Sonic will no doubt deliver something noteworthy and there's the return of some "Wiseguy" as well.
Not a knock on World here, just not sure I get what you're driving at.
This year has been kind of bare for me on this point. There's one or two tracks within a soundtrack that I like a lot but then I find that the rest of the soundtrack as a whole doesn't quite reach the same level.
As for examples i'm thinking Don't Speak Her Name (Fire Emblem: Awakening), It Has To Be This Way (Metal Gear Rising) and Victory in the Dream World (M&L Dream Team).
Yeah in the cases of all three of the above games soundtracks I think they're good but not quite great (gets mauled by a good half of Sonic Gaf yelling something about the rules of nature).
Still we're far from done yet, Rayman will be out over here in about 2 weeks and the demo has assured me that there will be great music within. Sonic will no doubt deliver something noteworthy and there's the return of some "Wiseguy" as well.
Rising's the only one that strongly comes to mind. I could also maybe mention Project x Zone, but the cut tracks in the localized version hurt it a loooooot (unfitting tracks playing at unfitting times). What little I've heard of Dragon's Crown's also seems worth mentioning.
Edit: OH, Guacamelee's soundtrack is great too! It's easy to forget the smaller games!
Edit: OH, Guacamelee's soundtrack is great too! It's easy to forget the smaller games!
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
Yes, I actually plan on participating this year!
Lightning Lord
Banned
The obvious reason would be licensing for vocals, but then they also cut instrumental only songs so who the hell knows. This song is supposed to know in a lot of the scenes involving the VC3 cast, but it was cut so they just have another song playing instead and it completely ruins the mood.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Dat GTAV Online trailer tho
Now I can live out my Wave Race fantasies (ღ˘‿˘ღ
Now I can live out my Wave Race fantasies (ღ˘‿˘ღ
Lightning Lord
Banned
Not really surprised by the omission of vocal tracks, but the instrumental tracks getting cut seems strange too. Then again, I am also reminded of something similar happening with Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, as well.
i remember when i was jizzing over gta iv trailers
then the game came out and it sucked shit
so i have low expectations for gta v at this point, nothing has really impressed me so far. hopefully we get a pc/next gen version soon enough, at the very least it looks amazing, but that won't be apparent on ps360.
then the game came out and it sucked shit
so i have low expectations for gta v at this point, nothing has really impressed me so far. hopefully we get a pc/next gen version soon enough, at the very least it looks amazing, but that won't be apparent on ps360.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I don't understand what the point of that experiment was. Releasing games in one region on one console that nobody has..."welp sold like ass, cancel all localization prospects!"
To be fair, yakuza is big in Japan.
I mean, there's low sales expectations (like most 3DS RPGs in the west), and then there's selling less than 1.8k units on your first week. The former could be taken as a step to creating an audience on the platform, the latter means there is virtually 0 interest in them.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Shenmue 3 Wii-U exclusive cancelled
good work, japan
good work, japan
Wat. GTA V is improving on everything GTA IV did wrong and right.
Meccanical
Member
I'm not even hyped FOR gta ANYMORE.
Now RDR 2 would get me hyped.
Now RDR 2 would get me hyped.
Shadow Hog
Member
I was watching the latest Jimquisition on a whim, and, uh...
I thought Saints Row 4 was a GTA game, right? Like the first three? So, uh, why was almost all the footage more evoking of Mass Effect? That's quite a departure.
I thought Saints Row 4 was a GTA game, right? Like the first three? So, uh, why was almost all the footage more evoking of Mass Effect? That's quite a departure.
Shadow Hog
Member
Oh, ehm, watching Lowtax's "Mind Over Murder" video spoiled one of the plot twists for me, and, ehm, I don't think I'm so interested anymore.
I don't really feel comfortable talking about which one, though.
I don't really feel comfortable talking about which one, though.
You mean the next game in a franchise is being hyped as an improvement over its predecessor and fixing what it did wrong?
No fucking way
It's a mix of things, some major, some minor, some that are just variations on otherwise common features. There's plenty that has been nicked, but it's managed to keep more to itself.
Green star bonus block
Coin snakes
Rotating blocks
Vertical throw
Silver P-switch
P-balloon
Freestanding and freefalling powerups
Dolphins
Yoshi wings in blocks
Colored Yoshi powers
Colored Koopa-Yoshi interactions
Blue and Yellow Koopas
Green Bubble
Fishin' Lakitu
Pipe Lakitu
Dino Rhino/Dino-Torch
Ghost Ship Boo Swarm
Boo Snake
Eerie
Gold Bowser Statue
Chainsaws
Bound Fire
Mega Mole
Coin snakes
Rotating blocks
Vertical throw
Silver P-switch
P-balloon
Freestanding and freefalling powerups
Dolphins
Yoshi wings in blocks
Colored Yoshi powers
Colored Koopa-Yoshi interactions
Blue and Yellow Koopas
Green Bubble
Fishin' Lakitu
Pipe Lakitu
Dino Rhino/Dino-Torch
Ghost Ship Boo Swarm
Boo Snake
Eerie
Gold Bowser Statue
Chainsaws
Bound Fire
Mega Mole
And again, there's a lot that falls under the "only recycled once" category, including some signature content like the cape and Chargin' Chuck. A similar list for SMB3 comes up with
Frog Suit (in part), Hammer Suit, and Kuribo's Shoe for powerups, and Hot Foot, Buster Beetle, Angry Sun, Jelectro, and Stretch for enemies
edit: Also, lest I forget, World is one of Koji Kondo's finest moments.
NeoGAF Member Anth0ny. You're back.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Well, because someone forced my hand, and because I just came home to a message from someone who didn't hold up his end of the bargain...
...I need to mentally prepare myself for a Time & Eternity speedrun. I won't stream it. I'll stream the True Ending when I get there, but aw man, I was having fun playing games I actually enjoyed for once.
(Way to go, Bean. Everyone knows to blame you now. You owe me something good afterwards.)
...I need to mentally prepare myself for a Time & Eternity speedrun. I won't stream it. I'll stream the True Ending when I get there, but aw man, I was having fun playing games I actually enjoyed for once.
(Way to go, Bean. Everyone knows to blame you now. You owe me something good afterwards.)
Actually, I kind of feel the same way. But that's partially because I didn't have the time to explore Bandcamp offerings much yet! With that said, I'm kind of pleased with the soundtracks this year over than last year's offerings. I know that we have the rest of the year to rate up soundtracks, so I certainly don't mind holding off on anything!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
This BeanxSchala shipping just keeps heating up, bet Schala's not-BF/associate/sex buddy is more jealous than ever
Shadow Hog
Member
I'm sorry.
I suppose the true ending is one where
, then?
I suppose the true ending is one where
neither girl has to "die"
Hot Coldman
Banned
the true ending is where I open the game case, do a poop inside it, close the case (I'll have gloves on, don't worry), throw it into a river, set the river on fire "Dungeons and Dragons: The Movie" style, and then launch a guided missile into the Imageepoch buildings
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Pfffffffffft.
Ye-
Actually, yes, this is more accurate. You'll see Coldman do this on stream. Live.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I'm popping 'round to Jeremy Irons house now to figure out the fire bit
Tizoc
Member
Nocturnowl
Member
I'm going to give Fishing Lakitu a special mention because Lakitu stages in the NSMB games are my most disliked stages in those games since they can't seem to think of anything interesting to do with him. Fishing Lakitu is a neat twist on the enemy, immediately dangling a 1up in your face and I have to imagine most of us just jumped on that the first time around, then you learn that your greed has come at the price of getting the spiny treatment for the rest of the stage which in turn leads to another way to play the stage which is to avoid collision with the 1up entirely. Yeah it's not exactly an amazing idea but after you've played like 10 more stages that all involved bland SMB1 style Lakitu stage that "hides" star coins or a pipe up in the sky requiring his cloud for the umpteenth time you get greater appreciation for stuff like fishing Lakitu.
At least NSLU had that one stage where it was cloud theft or pit death.
Though I guess you'd likely disagree I wish Nintendo had revisited SMW with a direct sequel (Yoshi's Island don't count!), balls to innovation on this one, i'd just like to see them make another batch of stages with the SMW mechanics with less focus on the secret stuff, plus Dino Rhino didn't appear nearly enough.
I'm sure when you go back through your next Time and Eternity run (why?!) you'll come to understand the true hilarity of the comedy theme, then you'll be all set for SotY.
No I will not blame this Bean fellow for this, i'll blame you and you should blame yourself as well when in the depths of despair you find that you yourself have become a palette swap in the guise of a more miserable version of yourself.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think they figured they didn't have the time or money that Rockstar has to compete with them directly, so they decided to go full-on superhero sandbox game instead
I NEED this to be redone in 2013
I NEED this to be redone in 2013
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