My internet is being upgraded from sub-5 MB download /.30 upload to 40MB / 2MB on Friday. Just have to take one more week of having the literal worst internet of my life before I can enjoy what most people in 'Murica would consider average internet, but is the fastest I've had in my life.
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ViewtifulJC
Banned
SpeedTest e-peen time? I think it is folks
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Yes, this is literally the only use for high speed internet.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I have shitty Canadian Internet.
That's all you guys need to know. (Okay, some of you know my speedtest results, but it's basically bad because our ISPs are terrible up here and the government refuses to make any sort of changes because they're stupid as hell. But so far, so good for streaming outside of Twitch's occasional hiccups.)
I got some good grades back today, so I'm satisfied so far.
That's all you guys need to know. (Okay, some of you know my speedtest results, but it's basically bad because our ISPs are terrible up here and the government refuses to make any sort of changes because they're stupid as hell. But so far, so good for streaming outside of Twitch's occasional hiccups.)
Exam tomorrow, tutorials cancelled tomorrow, trying to hear back from my groupmates to see if we can get together either this week or next week for a group presentation, probably going to be kind of blah in general.
I got some good grades back today, so I'm satisfied so far.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I got a 95 on this test I didn't study for, and I waited til the last minute to do this project due tomorrow, so it all kinda balances out
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yeah, after reviewing a little bit, I'm pretty sure I don't have to study like hardcore for this exam I have tomorrow. It's one of those essay exams where I get the questions in advance, so if I did the readings (which I have + have supplementary knowledge on some stuff -- which I do from other course material), I'll be fine.
So I'll just go back to watching some documentaries like I have been doing last night and this morning. There's this pretty cool multipart one I was watching and I kinda want to go back to it.
In all seriousness:
-Watching BBC's The Incredible Human Journey
-Watching BBC's Planet Earth
-Watching BBC's Civilization
-Watching CBC's Secrets of Sugar
-Watching CBC's Jobless Generation (ie: our age group)
It's particularly because I became irritated that one of our professors assigned a landscape production masquerading as a documentary narrated by Glenn Close as homework.
God, BBC's so gooooood.
So I'll just go back to watching some documentaries like I have been doing last night and this morning. There's this pretty cool multipart one I was watching and I kinda want to go back to it.
In all seriousness:
-Watching BBC's The Incredible Human Journey
-Watching BBC's Planet Earth
-Watching BBC's Civilization
-Watching CBC's Secrets of Sugar
-Watching CBC's Jobless Generation (ie: our age group)
It's particularly because I became irritated that one of our professors assigned a landscape production masquerading as a documentary narrated by Glenn Close as homework.
God, BBC's so gooooood.
It's useful for streaming! I love to stream video games. Streaming with this is painful to watch though.
I'd gladly trade some of that DL for more UPL, but fuck it, 2 MB is still better than this.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Damn, Beef-tier stream quality confirmed
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That's above Beef-tier. Noi's streams are >>>>>> 1 fps.
Eh, Steam downloads games plenty fast enough, I can stream HD content fine, and online games don't need much bandwidth. Not many other uses are coming to mind.
Not bad for a developing country.
I bet they just fucked up a bone name or something for Super Sonic.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Dario has better Internet than I do.
Basically, mine's comparable to Noi's.
Basically, mine's comparable to Noi's.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Pretty sure I win the Worst Internet of SonicGAF award. We're on 1.5down/LOLup but we also haven't changed our service in like six years and literally live in the middle of nowhere in Australia so we wouldn't get much better without paying a lot more anyway.
Does most things I want, though streams where I can't drop the quality can be shit sometimes and obviously I can't stream myself. Netflix through a proxy works better than I expected. Online play isn't great but I don't really play online so it doesn't matter; Pokemon battles work just fine and that's all I really need.
Just gotta be patient when it comes to Steam/console downloads but don't really have a problem with that, plenty of other things for me to do.
Congratulations, those are exactly the things!
Does most things I want, though streams where I can't drop the quality can be shit sometimes and obviously I can't stream myself. Netflix through a proxy works better than I expected. Online play isn't great but I don't really play online so it doesn't matter; Pokemon battles work just fine and that's all I really need.
Just gotta be patient when it comes to Steam/console downloads but don't really have a problem with that, plenty of other things for me to do.
Congratulations, those are exactly the things!
Was comparable!
...is still comparable!
.....will no longer be comparable in the near future!
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
The BBC is the shit. No adverts makes a way bigger deal than you would expect i to, and I never see better quality shows, Sherlock was amazing
uh, okay. lol
I closed everything this time and did another test.
Fuck Bell. Fuck Rogers. Fuck Telus. Bullshit.
It's a wonder how my streams turn out the way they do when they're not stuttering because of Twitch.
How in the world do you host a stream at that speed? And don't most of your providers force caps on you Canadians? I feel bad for ya'll.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
The point is that if you can come up with those other things that use a decent internet connection, there's no need to even mention torrenting.
It looks fine and decent
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Actually, the streams did improve when I switched from XSplit. qq more, Beef, and Shadow Hog can probably attest to that. Especially after I started using OBS.
But yeah, the BBC is amazing. Love their work.
My settings on OBS may not be the greatest, but I ended up using this, and things turned out pretty well.
If only the CBC went a similar route since they do have some neat things, but we only get that sort of treatment with CBC Newsworld.
But yeah, the BBC is amazing. Love their work.
Yep. And look, the ISP I'm on lowered our caps. I should just switch to Teksavvy because it's bullshit that I'm getting this sort of service on one of the "Big Three" ISPs.
My settings on OBS may not be the greatest, but I ended up using this, and things turned out pretty well.
Well, yeah, having a decent internet connection is great. I've been on awful dial-up and satellite, and still often have to deal with shaky satellite or phone tethered 3G/4G that cuts out every few minutes. But the exact speed, or anything faster than what I have now, doesn't seem like it would matter much unless you were running your own server or something, I don't know.
40-100GB? Wow. That'll put a damper on your Steam sale.
Shadow Hog
Member
Better than what Comcast was giving us back at my old house.
Disappointingly, I noticed our ISP changed at work from Comcast to "TW Telecom"... and the DL went down from 20Mbps to 1-3. YouTube is virtually unusable. I suppose that's not a bad thing for a workplace, but still,
Eh, not impressive, but not bad.
It was on the 13th.
I forgot about it too :V
Unrelated but THANK GOD FOR THIS NEW SD CARD, I can finally play Luigi's Mansion 2 and get Swapnotes without fear or worry again
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Mine was on the 17th. Hi-five birthday week bro!
Combat is pretty good, and well thought out. I just didn't enjoy anything else from what I remember. Batman AA was one of my first PS3 games, and I borrowed Batman AC from a friend hoping I'd like it, but I didn't. I will probably give it a go again since I saw Batman AC Wii U version for like $10 today.
EDIT: Holy fuck man, where do you guys live, my Internet is nowhere near that fast. EDIT2: Nvm, it shows location (or the nearest server to you).
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yeah... it's pretty much a case of waiting longer for downloads and stuff, or allocating how you want to spend your money for the month.
WTF. Happy birthday, you guys. I feel awful for not remembering or knowing.
I ain't postin' the cake.
But happy birthday!
Box of Bunnies
Banned
October best birthday month.
I live in Florida, and get like 5.0Mbps on a good day. But average 2.5 Mbps on most days with 50+ PING. I pay monthly for 3.0Mbps. My upload speed is usually 1.5.
I used to be with a company with slightly fast speeds, but they would throttle the fuck out of me. Download 2 games on Steam, and 1 on PSN. And they would cripple my Internet to a crawl.
Thanks Obama
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Oh man, I feel bad.Neat, mine was the 16th
Happy birthday!
I don't think you ever specified what day yours was, lol. But in any case...
Happy birthday to you and to everyone whose birthday I missed because I didn't know. ;-;
Jeez, how many October birthdays do we have? AniHawk, OGB, JC, Bunnies, nerdiness...
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Yay us!Neat, mine was the 16th
There are no good three people high five gifs on the internet, so uh, here's this
Professor Beef
Banned
All you damn youngins. Get off my green hills!
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Dunno where I fit in the SonicGAF age hierarchy but I'm not really at either extreme of the overall demographic. See a lotta youngin's makin' me feel a bit old for it, but then there's the dudes that are like 40 or whatever and it's like "well that's not so bad after all."
I'll be
26
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
when will Beefmas get here
Beef, make Beefmas come faster.
Also, AniHawk made a pretty good post.
Okay. This goes back to the origin of the RPG, when it was more of a numbers game as opposed to something where the narrative took absolute and central focus. You were role-playing as a character, and your character's stats spoke to that. They were inspired by PnP games, tabletop games, fantasy books, chess, etc. So you had text based RPGs -> dungeon crawler (extending into roguelikes) -> Dungeon n Dragons -> Apshai/Akalabeth -> Ultima/Wizardry -> a loooooad of other stuff. But then you also (in Japan) had The Dragon and the Princess -> Sword & Sorcery -> Secrets of Khufu ... so basically Koei's stuff started it on PCs in Japan. Bokosuka Wars was pretty important because it laid the foundation of TRPGs.
What I'm getting at is that it wasn't necessarily the story that started the genre off, but the games' various mechanics or how they ended up implementing them. It wasn't until much later that apparently storytelling and cinematic stuff took more of a precedence than anything else. That's why sometimes it's strange to me that some devs make sacrifices for gameplay or streamline some things just to tell a story. I suppose part of the reason is to "legitimize" the genre for non-players, but in essence, we're scaling back on some of the game design aspects that make the game itself fun to play and instead turning it into something that should be experienced whether passively, semi-passively, or playing just so you can get to the next cutscene.
Because when you design a game like that, you're left finishing an experience. It's not something you'll necessarily replay that often to find something new or having that satisfaction of finding something completely new yourself because it's kind of like rewatching a movie. You're playing for the scenes that you like a lot. If you can manually save something, you've essentially "bookmarked" the spot in the movie's scene selection to experience it again.
But at the end of the day, video games are different things for different people. And I guess that is what leads to the lack of consistency. It's something I'm reminded of every time I step into an RPG thread, for example. A grand majority of people play the game for the story as opposed to learning the mechanics inside out, or learning about stats, playing a role, or max/mining stats-- which is an interesting evolution from the origins of the genre (ie: dealing with barebones narrative, or maybe even coming up with the narrative on your own with some guidance).
So you're left with some games that don't seem to fit into the mould, and people wondering why in the world do these games not do the things that other games do despite possibly having smaller budgets, a different design vision, a different direction altogether... and then you have these same companies going for sequels which incorporate the things that people wanted before and making a game that isn't necessarily resembling the product that was released before (which may have had good ideas that were removed for the sake of being 'safe' for a score). It's a bit of a shame, really.
So this is where this:
And that's not old! I turned 25 this year.
Beef, make Beefmas come faster.
Also, AniHawk made a pretty good post.
I don't usually like to outright say it, but sometimes I feel this way, too. While RPGs are kind of...AniHawk said:
Okay. This goes back to the origin of the RPG, when it was more of a numbers game as opposed to something where the narrative took absolute and central focus. You were role-playing as a character, and your character's stats spoke to that. They were inspired by PnP games, tabletop games, fantasy books, chess, etc. So you had text based RPGs -> dungeon crawler (extending into roguelikes) -> Dungeon n Dragons -> Apshai/Akalabeth -> Ultima/Wizardry -> a loooooad of other stuff. But then you also (in Japan) had The Dragon and the Princess -> Sword & Sorcery -> Secrets of Khufu ... so basically Koei's stuff started it on PCs in Japan. Bokosuka Wars was pretty important because it laid the foundation of TRPGs.
What I'm getting at is that it wasn't necessarily the story that started the genre off, but the games' various mechanics or how they ended up implementing them. It wasn't until much later that apparently storytelling and cinematic stuff took more of a precedence than anything else. That's why sometimes it's strange to me that some devs make sacrifices for gameplay or streamline some things just to tell a story. I suppose part of the reason is to "legitimize" the genre for non-players, but in essence, we're scaling back on some of the game design aspects that make the game itself fun to play and instead turning it into something that should be experienced whether passively, semi-passively, or playing just so you can get to the next cutscene.
Because when you design a game like that, you're left finishing an experience. It's not something you'll necessarily replay that often to find something new or having that satisfaction of finding something completely new yourself because it's kind of like rewatching a movie. You're playing for the scenes that you like a lot. If you can manually save something, you've essentially "bookmarked" the spot in the movie's scene selection to experience it again.
But at the end of the day, video games are different things for different people. And I guess that is what leads to the lack of consistency. It's something I'm reminded of every time I step into an RPG thread, for example. A grand majority of people play the game for the story as opposed to learning the mechanics inside out, or learning about stats, playing a role, or max/mining stats-- which is an interesting evolution from the origins of the genre (ie: dealing with barebones narrative, or maybe even coming up with the narrative on your own with some guidance).
So you're left with some games that don't seem to fit into the mould, and people wondering why in the world do these games not do the things that other games do despite possibly having smaller budgets, a different design vision, a different direction altogether... and then you have these same companies going for sequels which incorporate the things that people wanted before and making a game that isn't necessarily resembling the product that was released before (which may have had good ideas that were removed for the sake of being 'safe' for a score). It's a bit of a shame, really.
So this is where this:
...is coming in. The more it resembles other mediums, the more it can gain some sort of legitimacy. I see your point. Why can't games just be games, something to amuse yourself with? It's a good question.AniHawk said:
Either way, happy early birthday.Haven't had mine just yet, is in the back end of the month. Only mentioned it because a couple people were already talking October birthdays, tend not to bring it up otherwise since it's not such a big deal to me these days.
Thanks, though
And that's not old! I turned 25 this year.
Professor Beef
Banned
Thanksgiving hasn't even happened in the US yet, Schala! Beefmas will arrive when it arrives! >:|
There definitely is a decent audience that can enjoy an RPG for its mechanics. Pokemon alone is a testament to that. I think there's now an expectation that an RPG is supposed to have an amazing narrative at the foundation of the entire game, but I'm really not that familiar with RPGs outside of Tales so I can't say for certain.
Tizoc
Member
Ever since I've played the DQ games, RPGs are more about gameplay to me than story, for the most part.
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
So according to someone on Retro, Wii U kiosks in the US are FINALLY getting updated with new demos and two of them will be of Lost World and Sochi Olympics.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Mine is worse than yours, Noi. Didn't know it was that bad...
3.4 MB/S Download
.62 MB/S Upload
84 ping
Slower than 80% of America.
3.4 MB/S Download
.62 MB/S Upload
84 ping
Slower than 80% of America.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Happy birthday to all!
On another note, I'm callin' BS on this weather, man. I love winter and am not the most fond of summer, but when we go from 75 degree (23.8 C) weather to 25 degree (-3.8 C) weather in a week and a half... bull honky! I didn't even have enough time to change seasonal clothing!
On another note, I'm callin' BS on this weather, man. I love winter and am not the most fond of summer, but when we go from 75 degree (23.8 C) weather to 25 degree (-3.8 C) weather in a week and a half... bull honky! I didn't even have enough time to change seasonal clothing!
SonicGAF's Song of the Day - #2728
Song: Dusty Desert ~Quicksand~
Game: Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)
Composers: Tomoya Ohtani and Mariko Nanba
My opinion of '06's music goes around in circles. At release it was an amazing breath of fresh air after seven years of Senoue. Then Unleashed happened and blew it completely away and I soured on its weak melodies. But I've come back around on it again in recent years. It's a sophisticated, layered soundtrack that can be hard to get into, but it does what it does so well.
Listen to this one carefully, beautiful slow burn that it is. The guitars and bass are the only live instruments, but that doesn't stop each and every one of them from being incredibly nuanced, like listening to live jazz. Everything builds on everything else, a dozen different sounds working in perfect harmony. The closest comparison I can make is Sonic CD US, but even that falls short. There's simply nothing else like it.
Song: Dusty Desert ~Quicksand~
Game: Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)
Composers: Tomoya Ohtani and Mariko Nanba
My opinion of '06's music goes around in circles. At release it was an amazing breath of fresh air after seven years of Senoue. Then Unleashed happened and blew it completely away and I soured on its weak melodies. But I've come back around on it again in recent years. It's a sophisticated, layered soundtrack that can be hard to get into, but it does what it does so well.
Listen to this one carefully, beautiful slow burn that it is. The guitars and bass are the only live instruments, but that doesn't stop each and every one of them from being incredibly nuanced, like listening to live jazz. Everything builds on everything else, a dozen different sounds working in perfect harmony. The closest comparison I can make is Sonic CD US, but even that falls short. There's simply nothing else like it.
@Schala and the discussion about RPG's and games in general, I agree with a slight modifier. It is actually possible to make the mechanics tell a story themselves, rather than have them operate alongside one. If developers want to truly make games 'mature' without losing what made them in the first place this is the approach they should take, at least to me.
My poster boy for this recently is Papers Please, as it's a very simple and basic example of what I'ma talking about. You have to find a balance in your time management due to the pay by case salary of your character, so if you go to fast you could get it wrong yet go to slow and you cannot feed your starving family. These mechanics are very engaging to the player, yet they also provide political commentary on Dictator states and the morals of being one of the average workers under such a scheme. If that isn't an example of maturity I don't know what is, and I feel that number heavy genres like RPGs are actually one of the easiest genres to implement this design philosophy. So yeah, if you want maturity dev's, go with that.
Edit: I don't want to double post but I want the reply to sciz to be in a separate one, argh.
My poster boy for this recently is Papers Please, as it's a very simple and basic example of what I'ma talking about. You have to find a balance in your time management due to the pay by case salary of your character, so if you go to fast you could get it wrong yet go to slow and you cannot feed your starving family. These mechanics are very engaging to the player, yet they also provide political commentary on Dictator states and the morals of being one of the average workers under such a scheme. If that isn't an example of maturity I don't know what is, and I feel that number heavy genres like RPGs are actually one of the easiest genres to implement this design philosophy. So yeah, if you want maturity dev's, go with that.
Edit: I don't want to double post but I want the reply to sciz to be in a separate one, argh.
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