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[Dark Schala]

Falk, pls.

fwiw, I did read it. And while I wouldn't say stuff in raw detail, from my perspective, I would say that some of that information could be argued as probably having a small point. But Sega's woes are linked to other scenarios as well.

I dunno, I'm old. I don't go for that kinda stuff anymore. Maybe when I was 15 and being really egocentric because of Teenage Problems, but 11 years later? Nah, stuff like Shadow doesn't resonate with me. To be honest, it never really did.

 

[Professor Beef]

I want a modern Zelda game. Not modern like gameplay with shootbangs (maybe), but a modern setting.

 

[Dark Schala]

I want a modern Zelda game. Not modern like gameplay with shootbangs (maybe), but a modern setting.

inviting beef to this focus group

 

[Kart94]

I would love to see Marvel vs. Capcom 2 again on PSN just so a friend could buy it and play online. *i don't care about whatever balance problems it may have, it was such a fun game and at the end of the day, that is all that matters*

Also, SomecallmeJohnny's review made me remember the horrors of Sonic and the Secret Rings. What an awful game. *you need an upgrade just to control your character better? Really?* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC0YOfLW3c&list=UUg83RGdRpwfvoFEuE2zWKZA for those who are interested

 

[PKrockin]

Also, SomecallmeJohnny's review made me remember the horrors of Sonic and the Secret Rings. What an awful game. *you need an upgrade just to control your character better? Really?* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC0YOfLW3c&list=UUg83RGdRpwfvoFEuE2zWKZA for those who are interested

Pretty decent review, though I disagree with a few points here. The graphics are not good. For a Sonic game, 30fps possibly with drops is shit. The lack of stage detail is something I'd expect from a 60fps game. The levels are completely unremarkable. The story presentation is not good. The washed out blurry brown and tan story panels are lazy and look like shit. The artists didn't bother to draw a background behind the characters except for a handful of panels. For all I know the entire story takes place in a featureless tan void.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if I actually beat the final final boss or if I was just so pissed off after like 10 straight hours of that bullshit that I forgot all about it. Or maybe given how unbelievably shitty the game is I thought the fake ending was all the devs cared to put together.

I really have to wonder why the guy spent a solid 5 minutes just summarizing this game's story. It's Sonic the Hedgehog. The story is not a major part of the experience. You could have just said "it's extremely boring, bland, uncreative, and predictable" and saved everyone a lot of time.

 

[Tizoc]

 

[Kart94]

oh i seen the picture a couple of times. i like how Luigi is buff

 

[Anth0ny]

Also, SomecallmeJohnny's review made me remember the horrors of Sonic and the Secret Rings. What an awful game. *you need an upgrade just to control your character better? Really?* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC0YOfLW3c&list=UUg83RGdRpwfvoFEuE2zWKZA for those who are interested

worst sonic game i've ever played

and I've played some bad ones

Spoiler

like chaotix

 

[Hot Coldman]

So Corpse Party on PC seems like a good idea!

 

[Dark Schala]

Yes, it does. As does other stuff. I'm happier they're bringing Brandish here. Played that a few years ago and enjoyed it.

I played the Yakuza Ishin demo again, and I honestly feel like I should import that when it goes budget. It seems like fun times.

Other than that, I think I have enough Japanese games to toy with. Ao no Kiseki Evolution next week, going through DQ7 3DS still, have Fantasy Life: Link to go through, and I guess I'll import Zestiria in a few months. I tried to start Final Fantasy Agito, but my phone didn't like it. You need an A6 chip for that, which is bs. So I bought a bunch of other mobile games to try out anyway.

I tried to play Wii U's version of Ittle Dew and I kinda hate it. Sticking to the mobile version instead.

 

[Shadow Hog]

I tried to play Wii U's version of Ittle Dew and I kinda hate it. Sticking to the mobile version instead.

I've heard mixed things about the PC version, which has put me off buying it during GOG sales or what have you. Can't imagine the mobile version would actually fare any better, though.

 

[Kart94]

Ittle Dew looks like a decent clone of the old Zelda games. *though admittedly i never played any Zelda games. Was always a Mario person*

Anyway, i've been replaying Pokemon Emerald. I miss being able to rematch a trainer. Black and White, while great, dealt away from that, which saddens me*

 

[Dark Schala]

I've heard mixed things about the PC version, which has put me off buying it during GOG sales or what have you. Can't imagine the mobile version would actually fare any better, though.

The mobile version's controls are weird. While you're using virtual controls, the item use is convenient but the D-pad sucks. The gesture controls are great for moving, but when it comes to item use, it sucks. Granted the game isn't super-awesome, but at the same time, I got it for like $1 on mobile versus the $6 I spent on Wii U because I redeemed my $5 Digital Deluxe coupon, so...

Kinda ridiculous that some games I can get for like $1-5 on Steam or Google Play or iTunes cost way more on consoles, but y'know. At least with PS+, I'm paying for it with my yearly sub. Plus the eShop is a total mess to navigate. I thought the PS4 and PS3 stores were messy, but man, eShop is as much of a UI nightmare.

Ittle Dew looks like a decent clone of the old Zelda games. *though admittedly i never played any Zelda games. Was always a Mario person*

Regarding Ittle Dew, it's not really a Zelda clone. I wouldn't call it that at all. While it's an action-puzzler and the heroine tries to look like Link, its Zelda---or rather, Hydlide---trappings are very loose. Combat isn't a necessity, and it's better to avoid it. The puzzling elements are better, and the game should've simply stayed as a puzzle game.

That said, I can't stand the Wii U version either, so maybe the problems lie in the game's design.

 

[Rikkun]

So uh, Gametrailers put up an updated Sonic 3: Michael Jackson Pop Fiction video

I can't remember how the vid was before but it looks like the updates are an anonymous worker in SEGA stating that it was Jackson's call to not work on the Genesis FM chip, a month or so before the scandal burst out.
It also seems there's a lawsuit going on between SEGA and the musicians because of Sonic 3 having the Jackson's tracks in it anyway.

The only thing we still don't know was who worked on which track, but it was probably just a sum of MJ and SEGA's work. The only thing I find strange is Hard Times by Jetzons is in the game (the group's keyboardist was Brad Baxter, the man who worked with MJ on this soundtrack and on other songs apparently). It might be SEGA's way to make the soundtrack homogeneous, it might be some test Baxter did and left behind or else.

We'll probably never know anyway.

 

[Azure Dream]

I can't remember how the vid was before but it looks like the updates are an anonymous worker in SEGA stating that it was Jackson's call to not work on the Genesis FM chip, a month or so before the scandal burst out.
It also seems there's a lawsuit going on between SEGA and the musicians because of Sonic 3 having the Jackson's tracks in it anyway.

I'd believe this. There was "official" word about Michael Jackson's involvement while Generations was in progress, and the fact that Generations is almost entirely devoid of Sonic 3 tracks (except for Angel Island, I believe, which we know is safe, since it was the only song they remixed for Brawl) is highly suspicious. Like things were hitting the fan at that point.

 

[TheOGB]

#FreeHydrocity

Let that be the bare minimum, Sega

 

[Dario ff]

A new streaming adventure after the events of this saga begins next week:

 

[Professor Beef]

It's one of those nights where family drama makes you wanna take your time getting home. :|

 

[Dark Schala]

It's one of those nights where family drama makes you wanna take your time getting home. :|

You okay, man? You can message me if you'd like.

alternatively watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOnW6cyJxp0

I'd believe this. There was "official" word about Michael Jackson's involvement while Generations was in progress, and the fact that Generations is almost entirely devoid of Sonic 3 tracks (except for Angel Island, I believe, which we know is safe, since it was the only song they remixed for Brawl) is highly suspicious. Like things were hitting the fan at that point.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if that was actually the case either. I'd heard about Jackson not liking the sound output by the YM2612 at all, and didn't want to work on the music. But you still hear fragments of it.

 

[Professor Beef]

You okay, man? You can message me if you'd like.

I'll keep that in mind, just in case. Gonna get some food and then put on a movie when I eventually get home.

 

[Dark Schala]

I'll keep that in mind, just in case. Gonna get some food and then put on a movie when I eventually get home.

Tweet it. I actually like reading it, lol.

 

[Professor Beef]

Tweet it. I actually like reading it, lol.

I meant watching a movie and not live tweeting it for once, lol

 

[Dark Schala]

I meant watching a movie and not live tweeting it for once, lol

That's better for you, though. I hope it cheers you up.

Pick something funny!

 

[Professor Beef]

I already have the next movie planned: Sky High.

 

[MisterGrey3000]

Sometimes when I play MK8 I feel like I'm playing the most amazing fully 3D(Nintendo EAD)Sonic game ever.
That may be do to the fact that some of the songs remind me of Sonic Adventure tracks(Toad Harbor), but I think it's more than that.

I've always liked the idea of Sonic controlling like a slightly faster Mario kart(In 3D) when the player holds down a "run button". Sonic controlling like a kart from MK would give the players so much more control over his speed, and it would make momentum important again. It would also make the 3D games feel less automated.
I loved Unleashed/Colors/Generation style mechanics, but they're sort of a weird half step in this direction.
I feel like a 3D Sonic game developed by Nintendo would play like a platformer that had a baby with a speedy kart racing game.(or 3D Mario with a vulnerable starman power up)

 

[Falk]

Now that's just silly talk.

(More Unleashed/Generations please)

 

[PhantomOfTheKnight]

Call me crazy but I personally think that the last couple Mario games have controlled like crap, particularly 3D World, which I feel is way to sluggish, doesn't have full 360 control (i think), and for fuck's sake, make the run button the default speed. There is no reason I should be going this slow, Nintendo.

Doesn't help that I don't think the GamePad is an overall good controller, either.

 

[Dark Schala]

Actually, I felt that 3D World was exactly how I wanted 3D Mario to be like, lol. I really liked that game. Plus it didn't set my motion sickness off like the Galaxy games did! Mario Kart 8 sets my motion sickness off all the time, so if Sonic games were like that (ie: maybe kinda like Riders: Zero Gravity, which I couldn't really play at all for obvious reasons), I don't think I'd be able to play it. :/

The New Super Mario Bros games and I don't have as lofty of a relationship as 3D World and I, though.

 

[Tizoc]

My current list of games I'd have if I got a Wii U
Super Mario 3D World
Wonderful 101
Legend of Zelda
Mario Kart 8
Toki Tori 2+

 

[Dark Schala]

You can get Toki Tori 2+ on PC for cheaper during a Steam sale, though.

 

[Twilightzoney]

A new streaming adventure after the events of this saga begins next week:

Oh my goodness yes, that logo.

Edit: Yes Generations/Unleashed playstyle should be continued, its the one that actually works in 3d and you have control over how fast you'll go. Plus its the most interesting since they have many ways to handle the level design that way with 2d/3d sections.

 

[Dark Schala]

Bandages on my legs and my arms from you
Bandages, bandages, bandages
Up and down on my legs my arms from you
Bandages, bandages, bandages

 

[Tizoc]

You can get Toki Tori 2+ on PC for cheaper during a Steam sale, though.

Got it on PC day 1 when it was released on Steam actually.

 

[Kart94]

UH! why is Sonic the Fighters on PSN? that game was terrible.

 

[BlackJace]

UH! why is Sonic the Fighters on PSN? that game was terrible.

I found it charming at times. Not a good game, but terrible isn't the word I'd use.

 

[Shadow Hog]

UH! why is Sonic the Fighters on PSN? that game was terrible.

Because not everyone finds it terrible, and Sega wants to make money off of those people. I'm ambivalent toward the game, myself.

I suppose I should pick it up already, not like they'll be making Steam or PS4 ports any time soon.

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

UH! why is Sonic the Fighters on PSN? that game was terrible.

A couple years ago Sega released a bunch of their Model 2 fighters on XBLA and PSN. Also included in that batch was Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighting Vipers.

The Sonic name sells, and honestly I think the game's alright. And it's like, $5.

 

[MAtgS]

It takes like 20 minutes to get all achievements & yet it has 400 gamerscore. IDK how that happened.

 

[Kart94]

A couple years ago Sega released a bunch of their Model 2 fighters on XBLA and PSN. Also included in that batch was Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighting Vipers.

The Sonic name sells, and honestly I think the game's alright. And it's like, $5.

Never heard of Fighting Vipers to be honest and i think i tried Virtua Fighter 5. I didn't really care for that game.

 

[Rikkun]

Tweet it. I actually like reading it, lol.

Same here, I read the last one before sleeping and I found it funny.

Did you complete Majora's Mask? I remember seeing your stream on Twitch a couple of months ago
EDIT: Last question is for Beef, not Schala..

 

[Dark Schala]

Pretty sure Virtua Fighter 2 was a great port according to a lot of folks. People seemed to like Sonic the Fighters' online for the price it was. It's just like me going, "why does FF4 keep getting ported when that game sucks", when in reality a lot of people like it. People have different opinions.

...you guys.

Yesterday, I found out that my favourite developer from childhood and adolescence--or at least ex-members of that development team who made a spiritual successor to one of the dev's more popular trilogies--is developing Bullet Girls. Quintet was my favourite developer when I was younger. Their games had a profound impact on stuff I actually looked up myself. Illusion of Gaia piqued my interest in world structures and geography and history. It's legitimately the reason why if I hear about something and it interests me enough, I will go out and look stuff up about it. While I'm not a geography/history person (unless you count historical linguistics on my part since I majored in linguistics and neuroscience in undergrad), it's because of the Soul Blazer trilogy that I look that shit up. It's just like how Suikoden sparked my interest in social justice, and that series is just a shell of what it used to be (with the PSP game confirming that to me when I'd played it two years ago). Or my disappointment that Phantasy Star doesn't seem to be pursuing the same interests as the first four games in the series.

ActRaiser is the reason why I like townbuilding and simulators. While the platforming is stiff as fuck, the little stories that it contains, and the overarching narrative feels pretty ambitious. You play as God, and you need to fight Satan, and towards the end, your people abandon you because they become their own masters. Through townbuilding, you end up having a slight emotional connection to your people, so the ending could be bittersweet for the player. ActRaiser 2, at least the Japanese version, is a love letter to Christian fiction (ex: the Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost, etc), but the English version got so butchered that it just becomes a mere action game.

Quintet's narratives could have some sort of depth and make you ask questions. I wrote a lot about how the Soul Blazer Trilogy made me feel in my Essential RPGs post. Even the spiritual successor to that trilogy developed by Shade (comprised of former Quintet members), The Granstream Saga, had great combat with some good narrative ideas. So... it's just a shame that they went from profound storytelling to... that garbage.

I don't necessarily feel like part of my youth died, but I am so, so disappointed. I keep trying to tell myself that it's probably new staff who don't have that pedigree from Quintet, but man that's not working well.

All I can do is pop Dragon Quest 7 3DS in, but at the same time, I'm starting to realize that games are shifting in a direction that I probably don't care for.

 

[Falk]

Speaking of Bullet Girls, holy shit hahahaha.

I got Monster Monpiece just because I actually find it hilarious. Yes, I'm totally on the side of the fence that misogyny is a blight that shouldn't exist (moreso lolicon tendencies), but the core ingredient in this subgenre is that it's self-aware borderline kusoge. It's pretty much along the same lines of humor that inspires Japan to come up with all their hilarious game shows and pranks, forcing people into awkward situations where you don't want to do something because it's awkward but too bad you have to.

That being said Bullet Girls looks too awkward even for me. Guess I got a taste of my own medicine. :V

 

[TheOGB]

I'm not familiar with anything Quintet, but I still can't get over that trailer. Shit got so wild so fast

I closed it so quick I don't even know if there's a game beyond that.

 

[Professor Beef]

All I can do is pop Dragon Quest 7 3DS in, but at the same time, I'm starting to realize that games are shifting in a direction that I probably don't care for.

Welcome to my world.

 

[PKrockin]

I'm sorry that a beloved team has been reduced to making shitty games with nothing but desperate pandering to siphon NEET cash from the wallets of otaku. It sucks that with the traditional console games market contracting otaku are increasingly becoming the reliable gaming audience. It's just going to bring about a vicious cycle of creepy fanservice games driving out the normal people, making otaku an even bigger slice of the gaming audience pie and prompting more creepy fanservice games until console/handheld games become a niche hobby. I really hope it never comes to that though.

I actually first played Illusion of Gaia when I was really into torrenting and emulation a solid decade ago. Now that I have a cart I should really finish it because I remember it being great.

 

[Sciz]

I'm not familiar with anything Quintet

Terranigma is so good.

 

[Rikkun]

I still don't know how these games get translated, or get to be released on PS4 when productions like Final Fantasy, Persona and whatever jRPG you want takes FOREVER to be released over here or to be released on a newer console.

I'm adding to the list every game with undressed anime girls/lolicon and bad gameplay. Feel free to add Senran Kagura and Neptunia.

 

[PKrockin]

I still don't know how these games get translated, or get to be released on PS4 when productions like Final Fantasy, Persona and whatever jRPG you want takes FOREVER to be released over here or to be released on a newer console.

Well, because quality doesn't matter. They can shit it out on a shoestring budget and people will buy it for $60 because bewbs.

I'm still sad for Trails in the Sky.

 

[Rikkun]

Well, because quality doesn't matter. They can shit it out on a shoestring budget and people will buy it for $60 because bewbs.

I'm still sad for Trails in the Sky.

In the era of free porn I fail to understand this.
At least get a decent game, like Dragon's Crown, Bayonetta, Lollipop Chainsaw.. How did Hyperdimension Neptunia become a successful IP? I bought it because of people recommending it to me 'cause of console wars and such, and I thought the concept could be interesting.
All I got was embarassing "cutscenes" (I had to stop playing even when alone, I couldn't bear it), a boring and convoluted battle system and... nothing else.
Senran Kagura.. a friend of mine bought it "for just 25€! You'll see this is gonna be a rare game, Gamestop only got two copies and the gameplay is actually good!".
No it's not, it's some kind of Streets of Rage x Devil May Cry, and after FIVE minutes I found out you can easily rack up a 1000-hit combo while in air. And the mechanic that involves dresses getting shred if you take hits is so dumb, it's like a 13 years old came up with it.

TLDR: Who the fuck buys these games, just masturbate.

 

[AniHawk]

TLDR: Who the fuck buys these games, just masturbate.

it's definitely frustrating. and then it gets into better franchises too because somehow that's the market now. like valkyria chronicles 2 with this:

she's 13.

at least selvaria, who might be considered fanservicey, was 22 and was dressed for war. actually i really love the designs for all the characters in the first vc. even though the girls are wearing skirts, it matches what the guys are wearing and i wouldn't have a hard time believing that in an alternate 1930s.