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[Gaiff]

So which is it? Are the ports commercial flops or are they pushing consoles gamers to PC?

Lmao, yeah, that’s the classic.

>Sony is devaluing their consoles and losing customers by releasing their games on PC.

>Those games all flop and PC gamers don’t buy them.

So who are they losing if PC gamers ain’t buying them anyway lol?

 

[FubukiJ]

ah yes the usual sony fanboy bs post. lmao. come on man, ports cost 4 million at most, they made their money back and profit just by selling 100k copies, easy money. its fun to enter these threads to read ignorant comments like this one, that have no idea about the PC market and how in the long run, the games will still be making money for Sony, even 20 years after release, unlike consoles.

ah yes, your salty tears are so delicious.

yeah Spider-Man 2 will have an insane tail sales wise.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I don’t think they’ll do day and date for non-GaaS games and I don’t think they’ll stop pc ports. Cause it’s what they’ve been saying.

Fuck me, right?!?

 

[Cakeboxer]

I don't know why people keep saying this. Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft, CDPR, Rockstar and Microsoft (probably forgot a few) all have their own launchers, yet they all release their games on Steam. Probably because they don't sell that many games outside of Steam. EA and Microsoft tried for years to only sell their games trough their own launchers without luck. Many tried EGS and their own launcher, just to abandon the idea and went back on Steam. Sure Sony could launch their own launcher (they kinda have with their stupid PSN requirement), but it's only going to be considered a pain in the ass, and wouldn't be able to sell their game outside of Steam.

So this "make their own PC launcher to get rid of the cut" have been tested again and again by many. It simply doesn't work.

Sony is already forcing people into making accounts which is the biggest part most people hate about new launchers. As a console company they can also add sweeteners like crossbuy, cross progression, trophies etc.

 

[yogaflame]

Hypothetical question to PC owners only. What if all the best exclusives of PS will launch on Pc on the same date, let say happen in a period of 1 to 2 years or lets make it 3 years, will that encourage or convince you to buy a PS console within those period?

 

[Astray]

That’s what my original point was about.
There is no guarantees they are making enough money from it, and it will be reviewed if there are changes, eg. Microsoft dropping out.

Revisiting this discussion after the Nishino CEO news.. I think they're holding it for the new CEO to make a call on it one way or the other.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Hypothetical question to PC owners only. What if all the best exclusives of PS will launch on Pc on the same date on PS launch, let say in a period of 1 to 2 years or lets make it 3 years, will that encourage or convince you to buy a PS console within those period?

I'm not sure if i understand you. Do you mean PS games day1 on pc or on pc after 1-3 years on pc or do you mean the day1 will happen in 1-3 years?

 

[yogaflame]

Revisiting this discussion after the Nishino CEO news.. I think they're holding it for the new CEO to make a call on it one way or the other.

Since xbox is dropping out of this gen of console war let the new war be PS versus PC. Competition of this two different ecosystem will give us more quality games and exclusives. I dont mind if the pc masters has exclusives as long as PS brand has there exclusives and stay exclusive. Let the real battle begin and it will be more beneficial for all of us consumer with quality wil rise due to exclusives on both sides not just half ass ports anymore

 

[yogaflame]

I'm not sure if i understand you. Do you mean PS games day1 on pc or on pc after 1-3 years on pc or do you mean the day1 will happen in 1-3 years?

Sorry, ill edit, using mobile phone to comment is pretty difficult hehe, What I mean is will happen in 1-3 years will that convince pc owners to buy a ps console?

 

[Cakeboxer]

Sorry, ill edit, using mobile phone to comment is pretty difficult hehe, What I mean is will happen in 1-3 years will that convince pc owners to buy a ps console?

I don't think so. Sony is not making the kinds of games people couldn't wait for. They are singlplayer focused and it doesn't matter if you play those 1-3 years later.

 

[yogaflame]

I don't think so. Sony is not making the kinds of games people couldn't wait for. They are singlplayer focused and it doesn't matter if you play those 1-3 years later.

If I base my assumptiom from your answer then Sony PS should stop on porting there exclusives to PC or any other platforms. Survey and statistics studies is important. That is what sony should do if they need to continue porting there exclusives.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Other than hd2 pretty much everything flopped

Helldivers 2 launched day one.

The others still made profits, which would make them a success. If they want higher sales then take the lesson from Helldivers 2, and don’t make people wait.

 

[Cakeboxer]

If I base my assumptiom from your answer then Sony PS should stop on porting there exclusives to PC or any other platforms. Survey and statistics studies is important. That is what sony should do if they need to continue porting there exclusives.

The question is if those pc players who could easily wait for PS game ports would buy a PS if Sony wouldn't port at all. I wouldn't. I would like to see Astro Bots or Dreams on Pc, but 100% not spending 400 Euro for a few games. And those people like me is what Sony is after. New customers they otherwise wouldn't get any money from. I also don't think Sony would be super happy with Pc players only getting a PS for some excusives. What they really want is the money for subs and third party games which pc players most likely wouldn't buy anyways,

 

[Felessan]

I don't think so. Sony is not making the kinds of games people couldn't wait for. They are singlplayer focused and it doesn't matter if you play those 1-3 years later.

If you are loner with no friends.
PC gamers for some reason always ignore social aspect of gaming - most people want to play a game when all others play a game, when its in news, when you can discuss it with friends etc. Not when you lttp and no one really interested about your opinion on the game.

 

[Cakeboxer]

If you are loner with no friends.
PC gamers for some reason always ignore social aspect of gaming - most people want to play a game when all others play a game, when its in news, when you can discuss it with friends etc. Not when you lttp and no one really interested about your opinion on the game.

Stupid take. Many pc players play online games with friends/others and have enough to talk about. I also talk with friends "offline" about games, but nobody gives a shit if the game is brandnew or not. Few weeks ago we talked about RDR2.

 

[yogaflame]

The question is if those pc players who could easily wait for PS game ports would buy a PS if Sony wouldn't port at all. I wouldn't. I would like to see Astro Bots or Dreams on Pc, but 100% not spending 400 Euro for a few games. And those people like me is what Sony is after. New customers they otherwise wouldn't get any money from. I also don't think Sony would be super happy with Pc players only getting a PS for some excusives. What they really want is the money for subs and third party games whick pc player most likely wouldn't spend anyways,

Well if its a Half life sequel or Grand theft auto sequel that will become PS exclusives we are talking about , I think PC owners will bite the bait and buy a PS.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Well if its a Half life sequel or Grand theft auto sequel that will become PS exclusives we are talking about , I think PC owners will bite the bait and buy a PS.

For a GTA for sure, but then again: Does Sony want customers who only buy 1 or maybe 2 games especially when they sell console hardware at a loss?

 

[Felessan]

Stupid take. Many pc players play online games with friends/others and have enough to talk about. I also talk with friends "offline" about games, but nobody gives a shit if the game is brandnew or not. Few weeks ago we talked about RDR2.

Most people don't care about a game that they played an year ago and will give you only comforting "yeah, sure". For them it's a past story, their focus now elsewhere and you can't expect them to enthusiastically discuss minor details of the game.
Nerds are different, but you can't judge mass-market by nerds standards .

Online games are different in this regards because they stay relevant (for most part) as long as people continue to play them, so discussion is also always live.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Most people don't care about a game that they played an year ago and will give you only comforting "yeah, sure". For them it's a past story, their focus now elsewhere and you can't expect them to enthusiastically discuss minor details of the game.
Nerds are different, but you can't judge mass-market by nerds standards .

Online games are different in this regards because they stay relevant (for most part) as long as people continue to play them, so discussion is also always live.

Let's be real here. Older folks usually don't talk too much about gaming with their RL friends and not all are gamers and younger folks talk about Fortnite, COD or Minecraft. I really don't think a console exclusive is such a hot topic for many people that they want it day1 so they can have a say with others.

 

[Felessan]

For a GTA for sure, but then again: Does Sony want customers who only buy 1 or maybe 2 games especially when they sell console hardware at a loss?

Hardcore PC fans are not a target of Sony
Their target are those who play on 3050 mobile and enticing then to buy playstation will ensure further profits as PS provide better quality than their PC.
It's especially lucrative in new territories like China etc where console presence are low and PC is a platform of choice not because it's "better" by player view but because it's simply default platform

 

[Cakeboxer]

Hardcore PC fans are not a target of Sony
Their target are those who play on 3050 mobile and enticing then to buy playstation will ensure further profits as PS provide better quality than their PC.
It's especially lucrative in new territories like China etc where console presence are low and PC is a platform of choice not because it's "better" by player view but because it's simply default platform

At first You say people don't want to play old games and now you say they even make people buy a PS. Hardcore pc fans are also a target of Sony, but they don't expect them to buy a console.

 

[Felessan]

Let's be real here. Older folks usually don't talk too much about gaming with their RL friends and not all are gamers and younger folks talk about Fortnite, COD or Minecraft. I really don't think a console exclusive is such a hot topic for many people that they want it day1 so they can have a say with others.

I have several communities of gamers and we discuss literally every big release during launch window. Maybe PC gamers so cocooned in their online/"wait and see" world that for them it's normal not to care about SP gaming to discuss it.

And sales themselves shows it - games gets around half of it's revenue during launch. If fomo (and fomo driven by social interactions) is not a thing why wouldn't people wait 3-6 month for majority of games and get it with 15-30% discount. Everyone knows that games get cheaper over time and do it quite fast, still doesn't stop games from selling millions on launch

 

[yogaflame]

For a GTA for sure, but then again: Does Sony want customers who only buy 1 or maybe 2 games especially when they sell console hardware at a loss?

Well Sony right now needs to update there data, more survey and analytics to really see if porting exclusives to PC is practical or not, given there PC ports are not selling very well.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Well Sony right now needs to update there data, more survey and analytics to really see if porting exclusives to PC is practical or not, given there PC ports are not selling very well.

I think they should start making their moneyhatted 3rd parties day1 pc to see. I said it before: pc day1 would benefit from Sony's huge console marketing.

 

[Felessan]

At first You say people don't want to play old games

I never said that.
People prefer to play new games they have high interest in, but there are different factors that make them play game later - price, availability, time-restriction, interest in particular game. Like "I spend all available time now to play WuKong and so will get Astrobot later on sale as a filler, I'm not so much interested in it" is completely normal

Hardcore pc fans are also a target of Sony, but they don't expect them to buy a console.

It is a context for statement, we were talking about PC players buying console, not other stuff

 

[Cakeboxer]

I have several communities of gamers and we discuss literally every big release during launch window. Maybe PC gamers so cocooned in their online/"wait and see" world that for them it's normal not to care about SP gaming to discuss it.

And sales themselves shows it - games gets around half of it's revenue during launch. If fomo (and fomo driven by social interactions) is not a thing why wouldn't people wait 3-6 month for majority of games and get it with 15-30% discount. Everyone knows that games get cheaper over time and do it quite fast, still doesn't stop games from selling millions on launch

Fomo is not a thing. I just googled the first game that came to my mind: The Witcher 3. Did 6 million in the first two months, sits now at >50 million. Most if not all games sell much more long after the release.

I never said that.

"most people want to play a game when all others play a game, when its in news, when you can discuss it with friends"

 

[Felessan]

I think they should start making their moneyhatted 3rd parties day1 pc to see. I said it before: pc day1 would benefit from Sony's huge console marketing.

Their moneyhatted non-PC 3rd party are either:
- too big, so they entice some PC players to buy console for this games specifically (DES2, GTA etc)
- specific region related. Most of their non-pc exclusev are asian games because in Asia they do want to entice players in countries like China or Korea to buy playstation and non-availability even for smaller games is a factor there. And they don't really loose much of PC sales due to low marketing as these games sales concentrated in Asia, so the difference between marketed vs non-marketed western launch is not that big.

 

[jm89]

The spiderman 2 situation is so weird.

No system requirements yet right?

 

[Cakeboxer]

Their moneyhatted non-PC 3rd party are either:
- too big, so they entice some PC players to buy console for this games specifically (DES2, GTA etc)
- specific region related. Most of their non-pc exclusev are asian games because in Asia they do want to entice players in countries like China or Korea to buy playstation and non-availability even for smaller games is a factor there. And they don't really loose much of PC sales due to low marketing as these games sales concentrated in Asia, so the difference between marketed vs non-marketed western launch is not that big.

Now that you say it, you are correct. Most of their timed exclusive 3rd parties are not for the masses. They should better test it with a first party singleplayer game like a Wolverine or Spider-Man 3 for example.

 

[kaizenkko]

Live service games being cancel, Jimbo fired, Hulst demoted. At this point I think it's clear that something at SIE is changing.

 

[Felessan]

Fomo is not a thing. I just googled the first game that came to my mind: The Witcher 3. Did 6 million in the first two months, sits now at >50 million. Most if not all games sell much more long after the release.

You choose a game that was a sleeper hit, literally nobody cared about Witcher1&2, it was niche PC franchise.
Mass-market titles behave differently, games like Spiderman/God of War sale 1/4-1/3 their lifetime copies in 3 month period and given price skew it nets them around half of revenue

 

[Cakeboxer]

You choose a game that was a sleeper hit, literally nobody cared about Witcher1&2, it was niche PC franchise.
Mass-market titles behave differently, games like Spiderman/God of War sale 1/4-1/3 their lifetime copies in 3 month period and given price skew it nets them around half of revenue

Now we are at 1/4 and 3 months? That doesn't sound like fomo at all, revenue was not the topic. You are prooving my point, most games are sold long after the release.

 

[Black_Stride]

Hypothetical question to PC owners only. What if all the best exclusives of PS will launch on Pc on the same date, let say happen in a period of 1 to 2 years or lets make it 3 years, will that encourage or convince you to buy a PS console within those period?

Even GTA couldnt convince me to migrate to console.
I doubt any PS exclusives could.


At this point the only thing that could convince me is if Sony said we are absolutely never gonna port games over to PC.
Im more likely to buy a Switch 2 than a PS5Pro.

 

[Sentenza]

Hypothetical question to PC owners only. What if all the best exclusives of PS will launch on Pc on the same date, let say happen in a period of 1 to 2 years or lets make it 3 years, will that encourage or convince you to buy a PS console within those period?

Tht's a weird question.
If "PC only" players aren't buying a Sony console now that they get late ports or nothing, why the hell they should start considering buying one when the game start to get concurrent releases?

Beside, the follow up on your part seems to almost imply that PC Gamers have nothing to do but wait for console ports, when in reality they are constantly drowning in options about what new stuff to pick up.

Realistically speaking the only thing that could make me buy another console at the moment is specifically wanting one as an alternate device for another room/gaming setup. No realistic list of Sony exclusives is ever going to do the trick.
I don't particularly value Sony's current output above a lot of other options available.

 

[firegamer273]

oh man the salt and tears in this thread lmao

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Lmao, yeah, that’s the classic.

>Sony is devaluing their consoles and losing customers by releasing their games on PC.

>Those games all flop and PC gamers don’t buy them.

So who are they losing if PC gamers ain’t buying them anyway lol?

 

[Felessan]

Now we are at 1/4 and 3 months? That doesn't sound like fomo at all, revenue was not the topic. You are prooving my point, most games are sold long after the release.

If you read original message - revenue was the topic.
And 1/4 already a lot, given that price and personal interest are major factors and difference in timeline like 3 months vs 5-10 years. A lot of tail sales are not a gaming at all, it's just an impulse buy of cheap stuff for backcatalog to maybe play "somewhere in the future" (probably never happen). Steam in particular are suspectible to this.

 

[Cakeboxer]

If you read original message - revenue was the topic.
And 1/4 already a lot, given that price and personal interest are major factors and difference in timeline like 3 months vs 5-10 years. A lot of tail sales are not a gaming at all, it's just an impulse buy of cheap stuff for backcatalog to maybe play "somewhere in the future" (probably never happen). Steam in particular are suspectible to this.

It wasn't. Your point was people want their games asap to talk about it and pc players who can wait for PS ports are lonely while infact all games sell most copies far away from the release window. I think we should stop the discussion here, it leads to nothing.

 

[Rubim]

We're missing relevant data.

Do we know how a day one single player game will sell?
Do all PS games have a place in PC (Did anyone ask for Sackboy?)

Talking about sales on old games is flawed.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Hypothetical question to PC owners only. What if all the best exclusives of PS will launch on Pc on the same date, let say happen in a period of 1 to 2 years or lets make it 3 years, will that encourage or convince you to buy a PS console within those period?

Nope. I mean, theres very few PS game ports i've actually bought to begin with. I'm not hugely interested in their games, like i'd play Astro Bot but i wouldn't even pay premium for it, let alone buy a console for it.

I doubt this strategy is meant to "convince" pc players to get a PS. It is most likely an attempt to grow their IP so they'll have larger publics for movies, TV series and live service games (and extra cash of course).

 

[Felessan]

It wasn't. Your point was people want their games asap to talk about it and pc players who can wait for PS ports are lonely while infact all games sell most copies far away from the release window. I think we should stop the discussion here, it leads to nothing.

And they do want it at launch. Those who have actual interest in game.
Launch period is by far the most concentrated period of sales in order of magnitude or two than any other similar-sized period.
The fact that there are a lot of trash-pickers or "value" players doesn't change the fact that part of gaming community who have actual interest in game - will buy and discuss it at launch.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Hypothetical question to PC owners only. What if all the best exclusives of PS will launch on Pc on the same date, let say happen in a period of 1 to 2 years or lets make it 3 years, will that encourage or convince you to buy a PS console within those period?

Speaking for myself, back in the ps2-ps4 era I would buy Sony consoles for mostly defacto exclusives. Yakuza, Persona, Monster Hunter, Tekken, NIS games, Armored Core, etc.

Now those days are long gone and all those games are on Steam day 1. I don’t really care about Insomniac, Guerilla, Naughty Dog, etc. If they stopped doing ports right now I still wouldn’t buy ps6.

Now ask yourself how valuable it is to Sony to have a guy like me buy a console. Never gonna buy PS+. Never gonna buy mulitplats on console. Will potentially buy 1 or 2 exclusives a year. Not a valuable customer for Sony, not an appealing proposition for me to buy a console for that.

Also PC is popular in regions where console isn’t. Pc is huge is in Asia. If Black Myth Wukong was a Sony exclusive it would’ve flopped. Lots of opportunity to expand the reach of your IPs.

And Sony has been doing PC ports since the beginning of the ps5 gen, so we have a good sample size on the impact it has on their console business. Which is to say, there has been 0 impact and ps5 is super popular. Literally the only downside is crying boomers on social media, and they are hilarious so that’s actually an upside too.

 

[Hyet]

It's very clear that Sony should revert their PC port policy.

I mean, release on PC first and port to playstation sometime down the line of course

 

[Sanepar]

I'm just relaying what Sony is saying. Profit margins are "not in a wonderful situation". They're less interested in "popularizing the console" and more interested in building strong first party content, where the profits are greater. We all know what the problem is. A Naughty Dog game costs > 400M now. PS5, while doing good overall, still doesn't reach enough people to comfortably make back the budget on massive AAA exclusives. In the big picture, the console pie is not growing cycle-to-cycle. It's no longer sustainable to reset the whole audience every 6-8 years.

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PC offers a number of solutions to Playstation's problems, and it's growing rapidly among gamers. This is a win for everyone.

If they start to put day 1 games on PC they will sell double at least.

 

[Schmendrick]

If you are loner with no friends.
PC gamers for some reason always ignore social aspect of gaming - most people want to play a game when all others play a game, when its in news, when you can discuss it with friends etc. Not when you lttp and no one really interested about your opinion on the game.

The gamer demographic is overwhelmingly male and 30+ and you make up an argument based on "schoolyard babbling" +

Sorry, ill edit, using mobile phone to comment is pretty difficult hehe, What I mean is will happen in 1-3 years will that convince pc owners to buy a ps console?

nah. In times where you always have a thousand good games at the tip of your fingers I´d never ever go back to buying extra hardware to play a handfull of titles a tad earlier...especially not if I know that I´ll get those in better quality on PC later.

 

[Hudo]

most people want to play a game when all others play a game,

Maybe when you're still in school or in university. When you have a job, the last thing you want to do is to talk to your co-workers about anything other than work. And you couldn't care less about what everyone else is doing.

 

[Astray]

The spiderman 2 situation is so weird.

No system requirements yet right?

Yep and no preorders opened either.

 

[Felessan]

The gamer demographic is overwhelmingly male and 30+ and you make up an argument based on "schoolyard babbling" +

Yeah, nerds doesn't have social life so it's obviously not a problem for them

Maybe when you're still in school or in university. When you have a job, the last thing you want to do is to talk to your co-workers about anything other than work. And you couldn't care less about what everyone else is doing.

You have no friends outside work? My condolences.
I am over 40 and still have quite a few friends from games I played over last 30 years.

 

[Schmendrick]

Yeah, nerds doesn't have social life so it's obviously not a problem for them

grown ups have better things to talk about than vidogames and sure as hell don`t make their gaming habits dependent on what they can chat about. You´re describing peer pressure among little girls right out of an 80`s teen flick and pretend that would be the norm among grown men....

What are you smoking? And wher can I get some of that?

 

[Felessan]

grown ups have better things to talk about than vidogames and sure as hell don`t make their gaming habits dependent on what they can chat about. You´re describing peer pressure among little girls right out of an 80`s teen flick and pretend that would be the norm among grown men....

Nobody expect nerd to have a friend's with similar tastes. It require some social adaptability, which typical PC nerd lacks

Gaming is my hobby, I for sure have quite a few friends whom I made on the basis of this hobby, so of course I can discuss games with them - we literally share same interest. "I game alone at night in a garage, so I don't have anybody to talk games about" - it might be a case for some but certainly not for all.