Looks like they also changed from passive 3D to active 3D as a part of the cost cutting.
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Sony now has a Sony XBR 4K Ultra HD Television for $3500
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Looks like they also changed from passive 3D to active 3D as a part of the cost cutting.
Quick question,
Didn't know the 4K TV's supported 4096x2160. Will they have those black bars on the top and bottom to support it?
Consoles aren't going to be doing 4K 6-7 years from now on stuff that's not like XBLA Geometry Wars/minigame quality. Unless they want the graphical quality jump to be way, way, way worse than any we've ever seen. And considering diminishing returns with regards to textures, polygons, particles, fabrication, etc, it's already going to be worse than anything we've ever seen even at 1080p. A target of 4K will be the death of consoles unless the cycle in INCREDIBLY long.
IMO.
zomgbbqftw
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Sadly full array local dimming seems to be dead in the water. People prefer paying less money and having a thinner tv with edge lit LED.
Also Sony's last local dimming backlit TV was $5000 for 1080p at 65", now add the 4K premium and you'll see why Sony aren't bothering, especially since edge lit seems to be good enough for most people.
One, it's still an LCD, so no thanks.
More importantly, however, is the fact that 4K content is just too spare right now. Purchasing this kind of display ultimately means that 99% of the content you view will be upscaled.
Even if you have a powerful PC, 4K gaming at high framerates isn't yet completely possible without other sacrifices. It just seems like a bad time to jump in.
IF 4k OLED displays become available down the road and content is being produced it will be worth it.
More importantly, however, is the fact that 4K content is just too spare right now. Purchasing this kind of display ultimately means that 99% of the content you view will be upscaled.
Even if you have a powerful PC, 4K gaming at high framerates isn't yet completely possible without other sacrifices. It just seems like a bad time to jump in.
IF 4k OLED displays become available down the road and content is being produced it will be worth it.
SneakyStephan
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So how is the pixel response time, how much input lag is there?
Many lcd tvs have awful reponse times so the motion resolution is closer to 480p (very blurry), kind of meaningless to make a 4k tv when in motion it's still blurry as shit.
Many lcd tvs have awful reponse times so the motion resolution is closer to 480p (very blurry), kind of meaningless to make a 4k tv when in motion it's still blurry as shit.
Lagspike_exe
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This. 4K won't fix any of the issues LCD's inherently suffer from and there's still a severe content shortage for 4K. Unless you have really a lot of disposable income and really, really want 4K badly, waiting for 4K OLEDs is probably better, especially since the content should be there in 2 years or so.
ThoseDeafMutes
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When I was younger I used to set my PC monitor to as low a resolution as it would go. I thought low resolution was better because it made the icons bigger.
True story.
Resolution doesn't matter, my new top of the line tv will upscale anything and make it look pristine because that's how good the upscaler is!
these people exist
Gemüsepizza
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I won't buy a TV just yet. The current offers seem very confusing at the moment:
- Those TVs can display 4K 2D @ 60fps
- Those TVs can not display 4K 3D @ 60fps
- Those TVs can not display 4K 3D at all
What is their target for the Blu-ray successor?
- 4K 2D @ 24 / 48 / 60fps
and
- 2K 3D @ 24 / 48 / 60fps?
A bit underwhelming to be honest. Why can't we have 4K and 3D and HFR? Why does it seem we have to choose between them?
- Those TVs can display 4K 2D @ 60fps
- Those TVs can not display 4K 3D @ 60fps
- Those TVs can not display 4K 3D at all
What is their target for the Blu-ray successor?
- 4K 2D @ 24 / 48 / 60fps
and
- 2K 3D @ 24 / 48 / 60fps?
A bit underwhelming to be honest. Why can't we have 4K and 3D and HFR? Why does it seem we have to choose between them?
This actually happens quite often. Years ago, an assistant of a professor told me that his professor used to set all his monitors to a lower resolution in order to make everything bigger.
pauljeremiah
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I'd feel more comfortable believing that if Sony and Panasonic hadn't been using verbal gymnastics to carefully not make any claims about being able to display 4k/60p now or in the future in their just-announced televisions. Notice they have never said they will be able to display it, only accept it as input. Panasonic said the same thing. When a tech company releases a product that has a particular feature, they like to rub it in everyone's faces. When they're ambiguous it's for a reason.
I would be surprised if this year's 4K televisions are capable of natively playing all of the 4K video standards in widespread use in 1-3 years. Given the cost of these things, and the lack of content, I wouldn't buy a 4K tv this year.
Ah, but you see, on a CRT monitor it wasn't really a huge deal. CRTs can handle all sorts of resolutions without ever resorting to scaling.
You should see a modern game running on a CRT at 1024x768 with 4x MSAA. Yes, that low. The image quality is superb despite the obscenely low resolution.
Aren't these Blu-Rays just upscaled 1080p prints? Like "enhanced for 4K" or something?
It's weird to think about, but I love how on PC we always consider 1024x768 to be a super low resolution that we used back in '03, yet it's actually almost HD. Probably has more pixels than CoD on consoles even.
pauljeremiah
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Probably, but they're free, so I can't really complain. I do hope that the more modern digitally shot film like The Amazing Spider Man are 4K native, but have no real issue if they are just upscaling the picture quality.
Gemüsepizza;80106333 said:
Because there is no content made like that? DCI is limited to 2K if it is in 3D, they sure as hell won't give you higher quality scans for your home compared to cinemas.
Most of them are remastered from the original prints and do look better (especially because they use a wider colour gamut) They are still 1080p though (Spider Man too). There is no blu-ray out yet that can hold 4k video. BD XL is the next one that needs to be finalized as a standard after HDMI 2.0.
DonasaurusRex
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waste no time on this.....plebeian ...he must suffer in darkness longer till he see's the light...hah...1080P welcome to 06.
*more cackling*
pauljeremiah
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Was thinking that too, I suspect the first batch of native 4K movies will be Fall/Winter of 2014 at least the PS4 is a 4K blu-ray player.
Yeah. Like I said the older ones do look better if anything though because the original Blu-ray releases were shit.
Here are some screens from Battle Los Angeles to see what you can expect from the modern films.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/29518
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/29519
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/29520
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/29521
They haven't been ambiguous because every 4k tv and projector that's been released always could do that.
They're native 4k panels. They upconvert everything to 4k. If they couldn't do 60fps, then current 1080p60 material wouldn't playback correctly ... and we know it does. People have been using them for gaming since launch.
As a matter of fact, most are 120hz.
OverHeat
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http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&searchType=search&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&productId=8198552921666597704
It also has HDMI 2.0 support. This means 60FPS works in the 4K resolution. You can now play games properly.
edge lit fuck this shit
I can't tell the difference. Is it because my monitor doesn't support the higher resolutions?
Both are 1080p. There is no difference. If anything the original master looks better.
zomgbbqftw
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No word yet, it's gone on sale in the US, but we may have to make do with the speaker version until after CES when the true next generation 4K TVs get announced.
In a related move by Sony, they actually updated all of their current TVs to the new HDMI 2.0 spec by a software update, so they included the hardware for it, but left it disabled until the final spec was released. Great move, I do wonder what Samsung will do for their current 4K owners and if they will be able to make a similar update.
Edit: Flatpanels HD say it won't go on sale in Europe. I'll wait for next year's model I guess. It's like Sony don't want my money. :*(
Passive 3D would have been nice as well.
Yeah, I'm disappointed in the reversal back to active :\
I'm holding out until a reasonable 4k passive is available
zomgbbqftw
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Uses the new Sharp 4K panel rather than the AUO one in the other sets I think.
As far as I know, the polarization layer is on a separate substrate? Unless they're buying the panels with the glass, etc?
Not sure.
Either way, I am disappoint.
R10Neymarfan
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Gemüsepizza;80106333 said:
They won't let us have it all at once or else we'll stop going to the theatres.
Yes they would, unless it's anamorphic?
Though I don't see really see any media format using that res, anamorphic or otherwise. Well unless you have some native content on your PC.
The motion resolution isn't due to response times. The long-pole is the display method of LCD's - sample & hold.
There's no such thing as 4K bluray
Cheers boss, guess I'll have to wait.
Mattlikewhoa
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God Sony, lets see a cheaper 4K front projector. The W1000 still streets for around $17K
Valkyr Junkie
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That's exactly what they announced yesterday. They called the new model "affordable," but didn't mention a price.
Mattlikewhoa
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Oh really? I need to look into this... I'm all in if it's under $10K. I'm also hoping JVC decides to make a true 4K projector.
Anyways, cheers for the info!
Anyways, cheers for the info!
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The Everyman
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While price wasn't disclosed, it is expected to be just under $10k from what I've read.
Samsung is using their One Connect Box that plugs into the display. The televison itself doesn't have any video connections. They have announced that new versions of the box will be available to support HDMI 2.0, etc. It won't be free though.
zomgbbqftw
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That seems like a shittier solution than a software update. I guess it helps to sit on the HDMI founders board for Sony...
AranhaHunter
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Are you talking about this? It says it's 25K....:|
I do wonder if it's almost worth it to wait for 8K TVs since I think LG or another TV maker was already working on that and supposed to release it soon.
Question to those who know, will 4K/8K TVs/Projectors make 3D viewing better? I just came back from Universal Studios in Orlando and the 3D on Spiderman/Transformers ride and Terminator show are simply amazing. I don't want anything less that that for my home theater system.
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