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Any particular reason why? PS1 and PS2 and zero competition. I know 3rd party big gaas games print money etc. but PS4 has those too.
The gaming community is much bigger than what it once was, and now that there's zero competition with MS, Sony has everyone to themselves. Release a good game, no matter how expensive it was to produce, and it'll sell, and move systems. Release Concord or another POS that feels like whoever came up with the idea isn't capable of reading the room, well, you lose 100M+, and it's nobody elses fault than yours.The ROI has gotten exponentially worse with each new console (E.g., PS2, 3, ...) since the first PlayStation.
With the PS3 ' era' things reached a tipping point where an estimated 80% of AAA studios disappeared.
On top of that, users don't like PS3 games more than PS2 games or even PS1 games.
Gaming has grown since then.Any particular reason why? PS1 and PS2 and zero competition. I know 3rd party big gaas games print money etc. but PS4 has those too.
DualSense, Edge , Portal , Disc Drive , 30% off of software sales when every game sales more on PlayStation. Also PS4 is still bringing in moneyAny particular reason why? PS1 and PS2 and zero competition. I know 3rd party big gaas games print money etc. but PS4 has those too.
Inflation easily eats away price hikes though. They are just in a way better place as a platform and they've found new revenue streams. Boring, traditional and rational business.Yet no one gets made when they raise prices on everything? If profits are that high... How many times has the monthly sub bumped?
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Let's bring some reality to this early. Critical thinking questions, everyone:
1. Does this account for inflation?
2. What are their profit margins looking like before or after inflation?
All that money but only 2 good games.
PS4 gen didn't top out at 9 billion because the PS4 gen didn't stop in FY19. It's barely ended now.All of this info is available in the first post. PS4 gen had $9b operating profit on $107b sales = 8.41% margin. PS5 gen has $13b profit on $136b sales = 9.55% margin. Bringing up the potential impact of inflation undercutting Sony's financial results would be silly in this case because revenue and costs are presented together and would both be impacted (i.e. we have full context). From a nominal an operational efficiency standpoint, PlayStation 5 has categorically done better than PS2-PS4 generations. Only PS1 has better profit performance but some inefficiency is expected as you grow larger and gain market share; I (and investors, and most everyone else) would rather have 13b profits and 9.5% margin vs 3b profits with 12.5% margin.
Any particular reason why? PS1 and PS2 and zero competition. I know 3rd party big gaas games print money etc. but PS4 has those too.
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In hindsight, the Playstation Portal was priced to cheaply for the value it brings to the Playstation ecosystem. They should release an OLED model for $299 next holiday and phase out the original.
And special editions as well! Can you imagine the sales of an Astrobot Portal?I want more colors.
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1. Sub hikes and raised game prices are eaten away by inflation worldwide, some PSN currencies like Turkish Lira are dropping faster than Concord online numbers.Higher priced subs, more expensive games, higher priced consoles. Consoles used to get cheaper.
Only because the PS3 lost $4 billion. Holy shit that generation hit Sony hard. Without it they'd have made $1 billion more. I had no idea the PS3 lost them that much. No wonder they tried to charge $600 for it.more than the profits from PS1-PS2-PS3-PS4 put together
Because they raising prices? So more profits for them.GAF: "Herman has to go"
Reality: "PS5 era profits exceed $13 billion, more than the profits from PS1-PS2-PS3-PS4 put together"
Ya, Now the ponies say "Who cares about 1st party" when that's ALL they could go on about for the last couple decades over the Xbox. Sony Fanboys will gooble anything up like good boys.There's a ton of good games on PS. This might shock you but people don't buy PS just to play PS first party games. They buy it to play all the games that come to the system 3rd party, first party etc. In fact here's the real shocker most of that money they are making is from people buying 3rd party games/microtransactions.
We can guess. Documents from Epic shows PlayStation was 47% of total revenue. On average Fortnite makes 4-5 billion per year. So using the 30% cut Sony takes means around 560-700 million per year for Sony.Out of curiosity. Do we have hard data on how much money Sony makes off of Fortnite?
Like, 400?And special editions as well! Can you imagine the sales of an Astrobot Portal?
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Based on that napkin math, Fortnite accounts for nearly 20% of PlayStations revenue. Pair that with CoD it seems like roughly 35% of PlayStation profits are built around those two franchises. That's insane.We can guess. Documents from Epic shows PlayStation was 47% of total revenue. On average Fortnite makes 4-5 billion per year. So using the 30% cut Sony takes means around 560-700 million per year for Sony.
Only because the PS3 lost $4 billion. Holy shit that generation hit Sony hard. Without it they'd have made $1 billion more. I had no idea the PS3 lost them that much. No wonder they tried to charge $600 for it.
i think the actual profits are around 3BilionRecord high profits.
Literally more money than they've ever made from videos games for all past years, all past consoles, put together.
Must be time to raise those prices again.
And then layoff a bunch of people.
I think you are mixing up profits and revenue? PlayStation revenue was 31.5 billion dollars in 2024. Fortnite would have been about ~2% of that. Even if you only look at software revenue of 17 billion, that only means 3.5%.Based on that napkin math, Fortnite accounts for nearly 20% of PlayStations revenue. Pair that with CoD it seems like roughly 35% of PlayStation profits are built around those two franchises. That's insane.
No wonder Sony threw so much behind their own GAAS games. Between Fortnite, CoD, the Genshin games, etc it seems a majority of Sony's profits come from microtransactions from third party service games.
What do you mean by this?i think the actual profits are around 3Bilion
Bothis this coming from PS5 alone or PS5 and PS4 from 2020?
Wish the people who bought weed in college felt like this about price hikes. That's actually really chill of you for being understanding about it. Especially while they release reports about how they're rolling in more dough than ever. If I popped up at the frisbee golf course in an Aventador SVJ a few days after the price hikes, it wouldn't have gone over well.Inflation easily eats away price hikes though. They are just in a way better place as a platform and they've found new revenue streams. Boring, traditional and rational business.
His butt?And you're a repressed Xbox shill - I always knew you were CatLady's pussy
Roblox and Fortnite on PS4 are genuinely massive cash cows.Both
They can gobble up Xbox 1st party games too now, guess it worked.Ya, Now the ponies say "Who cares about 1st party" when that's ALL they could go on about for the last couple decades over the Xbox. Sony Fanboys will gooble anything up like good boys.
yeah, im trying to undertand. There are two numbers:What do you mean by this?
Should probably tell Sony, then - misreporting profitability to your investors is a crime in the United States.i think the actual profits are around 3Bilion
Ah. I often forget about that distinction. Now that you mention it, yeah, their net income is going to be noticeably lower. All those acquisitions and dumbass decisions pile up.yeah, im trying to undertand. There are two numbers:
Operating Income/profit and Net Income.
Sony's 2024 fiscal year operating profit is $2.8 billion. The net income (actual profit) should be slightly lower.
And I was thinking this:
if PlayStation has half the workforce of Xbox, generates double the revenue, and their profit margin is around 9%.....To me is pretty clear Xbox is operating in the red.
Financial jargon. Operating income is the profit after deducting day-day operation costs. Net income is profit after deducting all other costs outside of that. And then there's stuff that you can't possibly numerate like opportunity cost. They've covered themselves, just putting up the nicer (and still real) number in flashing lights to placate and attract investment.Should probably tell Sony, then - misreporting profitability to your investors is a crime in the United States.
As long as they measure the number the same way every year, every quarter, then the numbers are valid. You compare the numbers last year to this year. As long as the method is identical then the ratios are right. This is why inflating the books is discouraged, because it makes it harder for the numbers to go up next year. Basically what you are saying makes no business sense.Financial jargon. Operating income is the profit after deducting day-day operation costs. Net income is profit after deducting all other costs outside of that. And then there's stuff that you can't possibly numerate like opportunity cost. They've covered themselves, just putting up the nicer (and still real) number in flashing lights to placate and attract investment.
In case you don't realize, three of the things you listed are exactly why they made money. Unless you think Sony magically get paid when you are happy?It seems so undeserved and it feels so wrong. ... more exepensive hardware, increase in subscriptions for less offerings, no hardware discounts,
God damn you PS3, imagine if you weren't a fuck up
Xbox customers wish that they could play financial losses. They are going to lose their non-play anywhere libraries soon and that is what happens when profitability doesn't exist.I wish I could play profits
Well, sounds like those hard working employees who do all the work should start their own company where they can not be greedy and not be exploited and make the same amount of money!Imagine making $13 billion in profit off of the hard work of their employees who they continue to lay off, and consumers who they continue to exploit by increasing subscription prices and console prices.
Greed knows no bounds.