BloodMoney
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for new comers, let me sum up the OP.
Sony WWS output thus far.
- Thread starter orochi91
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Zen_Arcade
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Not when discussing Microsoft's Xbox One game output. It's pretty obvious that people are talking about the output of new games, not remakes from old generations that people have already played. If the criteria on game output is that loose then the Wii U has an amazing line up of games because of Virtual Console.
No one is going into Nintendo threads going "Nintendo's output on Wii U is great! We already have a Wind Waker remake and all of the NES and SNES Castlevania games! I can't believe people aren't buying Wii U with all of these old games filling up their lineup."
Begaria
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At pretty much ever major gaming event since The Order: 1886 was announced (when the PS4 was announced in Feb 2013), Sony has been bringing the exact same demonstration. That demonstration being "Get in a quick fire fight with the Termite Rifle, don't explain how to use said weapon, drag a dude across the street in an "on rails" type manner, walk around a small room for a moment, end demo." That demo has varying degrees of positive and negative opinions - mostly negative from what I can tell. That demo has been around for almost a year and a little bit. I think they also showed a quick demo at E3 2014 to the press with the protagonist against a Lycan in a QTE-esque scenario. No one has truly gone hands on with anything else, Sony/RAD are keeping a lot of the game underwraps, and we're about four months out from release.
To contrast this - Bloodborne was officially unveiled at this year's E3. It has had a decent amount of hands on, an Alpha for a couple of days, a release date within a year of its announcement, and a TON of social marketing on Facebook, Twitter, and across gaming media with mostly positive impressions. Bloodborne is going to freakin' smoke The Order: 1886 unless we see something more from Sony.
Shadow_FFVI
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Why "unnecessarily"? Are you getting used to Microsoft abandoning their console a year or two before the next console hits?
It's a good thing they support their systems until the very end. It makes for a better investment for the consumer. Their output for the PS4 has been strong for a console on it's first year, even more so when you consider what they released last year.
BruiserBear
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First off, I edited my post to use the word "platform" in the final sentence, because like I was saying, people should only care in the context of what platforms they own.
But at the larger point, we all know the major arguments around this forum revolve around the new consoles. It's always been, and it always will.
See, this thread is a clear example of a common problem...
For a thread like this one, its important to have an OP with the information that you want people to talk about. With that, people would have had a better discussion since the begining.
You could have made a list showing the original games released by nintendos internal studios for wiiu (indicating how long it took them to release each games after wiius launch and, maybe, metacritic scores for each game. Also, indicating how many reviews each game had wouldnt be a bad idea). Same for microsoft and, then, sony.
And thats easy to do. I think that you should have worked in the thread just a little, OP.
edit: also, there was no need to mention games that havent been released yet, or ports...
For a thread like this one, its important to have an OP with the information that you want people to talk about. With that, people would have had a better discussion since the begining.
You could have made a list showing the original games released by nintendos internal studios for wiiu (indicating how long it took them to release each games after wiius launch and, maybe, metacritic scores for each game. Also, indicating how many reviews each game had wouldnt be a bad idea). Same for microsoft and, then, sony.
And thats easy to do. I think that you should have worked in the thread just a little, OP.
edit: also, there was no need to mention games that havent been released yet, or ports...
Canis lupus
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FonkyByNature
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Exactly what i'm wondering. I enjoyed Knack and Killzone, don't care about the haters !
Idempotent Button
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This whole thread is depressing. Thank you for reminding me that I don't have a good enough reason to buy a PS4.
Dude, it doesn't help to paint those who didn't like Killzone and esp Knack, as haters.
Triggerhappytel
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So, just to clarify because I'm not sure I'm up to speed with the agendas in this topic. If we're talking solely about SCEWWS that means the following do not count:
Bloodborne (From Software)
Resogun (Housemarque)
The Last of Us: Remastered (re-release)
Which means that if we're not counting games actually developed internally by Sony studios then we also have to disregard the following:
Sunset Overdrive (Insomniac)
Halo: The Master Chief Collection (re-release)
Titanfall (not exclusive and not even published by MS)
D4 (Access Games)
Bayonetta 2 (Platinum/Sega)
Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (was that this year? Re-release)
If you measure a console's software strength only by the games its internal studios put out - which is a very odd arbitrary condition - then you make each of them look considerably weaker.
Bloodborne (From Software)
Resogun (Housemarque)
The Last of Us: Remastered (re-release)
Which means that if we're not counting games actually developed internally by Sony studios then we also have to disregard the following:
Sunset Overdrive (Insomniac)
Halo: The Master Chief Collection (re-release)
Titanfall (not exclusive and not even published by MS)
D4 (Access Games)
Bayonetta 2 (Platinum/Sega)
Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (was that this year? Re-release)
If you measure a console's software strength only by the games its internal studios put out - which is a very odd arbitrary condition - then you make each of them look considerably weaker.
fallingdove
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Props to MS?
Reads as, would get banned for derailing and trolling the DC thread, so made this instead.
I wouldn't really count a FROM game as Sony WWS just like I wouldn't count TW101 and Bayonetta 2 as Nintendo studios.
Sony first party is pretty damn bad on PS4 so far. What a turnaround from last gen :/
InfiniteUnrest
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Am I the only person who looks at the PS4 line up and feels like this is one of the best console launches ever? I have so many PS4 games already that are fun and enjoyable that I can't keep up. My backlog has never started off this deep.
I'm sorry, I can't in any way shape or form agree with any of you who think Sony's lineup is "weak." It's not even mediocre, much less "weak."
I'm sorry, I can't in any way shape or form agree with any of you who think Sony's lineup is "weak." It's not even mediocre, much less "weak."
Begaria
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I get a kick out of that to.
inFamous - 85
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/infamous
inFamous 2 - 83
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/infamous-2
inFamous: Second Son - 80
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/infamous-second-son
If a 5% difference is a disappointment, than I really don't know what people expect. Didn't all three games sell at least a million each as well? That's pretty good to me.
Though I would like to see Sucker Punch try something different now.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Zelda: TWWHD was developed internally at EAD. They just farmed out the field textures. Technically, all those games "developed internally at SCEWW" have several outsourcing like Naughty Dog and that Chinese company.
Zen_Arcade
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I wouldn't call it the weakest, but I also wouldn't even call it close to one of the best console launches ever. Resogun stole the show over what were supposed to be the two big retail launch games, and most of what has come out for the system can be bought on PS3/360.
The problem is that a lot of Sony's first and second party companies are still working on their games, so the first year was pretty dry.
Duxxy3
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Really what happened is that Sony gave such excellent support to the PS3 in 2013. Game after game after game. If even a handful of those games were moved to the PS4, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If Gran Turismo 6 and Puppeteer were PS4 exclusives, the lineup would have looked MUCH better than it does right now.
If Gran Turismo 6 and Puppeteer were PS4 exclusives, the lineup would have looked MUCH better than it does right now.
loaf of bread
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Uhmmm no that is simply not true, on PS4 sure but WWS was killing it in the last years of the PS3.
Off-Kilter
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You're dismissing a legitimately good game because it has a slightly lower metacritic score than its predecessors? Well that's silly.
So, you discredit Bloodborne for not being entirely by Japan Studio, even though they are working on it along with From, but when pressed you list Titanfall, Horizon 2, and Sunset. Nevermind the fact that Sunset isn't out yet (although that didn't stop you from passing judgment on The Order interestingly), two of those three games aren't developed by Microsoft at all, one of them isn't even an exclusive, and Horizon 2, like Bloodborne, isn't entirely by Microsoft. But who cares about consistency, right?
I'm sure FH2 reinvented the wheel though.
Cmon son.
Yeah, three generations and some 12+ years clearly isn't enough time. Microsoft is a videogame toddler and should be judged as such.
Is this a tag fishing thread?
Coincidentally Transistor is my GOTY therefore PS4 is now having a great year for me
Kazuma Kiryu
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This could have actually been a good debate about their current output, but unfortunately, orochi91 is the OP.
makingmusic476
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Infamous was hands down the best Infamous game, and I enjoyed Killzone. I agree on Knack, and on the Order not really impressing me so far.
And Bloodborne and LBP3 both look awesome.
And Bloodborne and LBP3 both look awesome.
KoopaTheCasual
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Yep, you got all of Orochi's blatant hypocrisies and console warrior sentiments highlighted in an easy to read post. Thanks for going through the trouble so no one else has to give this guy any of their time.
BruceLeeRoy
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Are you playing DC right now or are you just going off of reviews?
I have to agree though. The only difference is I don't think MS has released anything better.
Titanfall really was great but ultimately extremely shallow and kept my attention for about 2 weeks.
Everything else has been good but not great by any stretch.
CrackaF3tt
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Yup the two days of playing have been amazing. This game has GOTY written all over it for me.
That is just flat out wrong. This thread is getting ridiculous.
He cant even wait for the PS+ version to see for himself.
A bit subjective imo. I really enjoyed Killzone even if it has a 73 on Metacritic. The story was the only flimsy part for me (and I love Killzone's campaigns and lore!)
Driveclub looks awesome and that has some decent reviews today as well. It's early, we've barely got the amazing stuff from WWS. For instance I think GG's next RPG project with the robo dino's could be great (speaking only form rumours online)
Driveclub looks awesome and that has some decent reviews today as well. It's early, we've barely got the amazing stuff from WWS. For instance I think GG's next RPG project with the robo dino's could be great (speaking only form rumours online)
Dragon1893
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Making games takes time. Most of sony's biggest studios shipped games just before the PS4 was released (GoW Ascension, The Last of Us, Beyond, Puppeteer, Rain) or even after (GT6).
I don't see why he needs to. A lot of people are overreacting in this thread because a few 1st party games are solid, but not GOTY material. Not every game has to be a groundbreaking, Naughty-Dog level masterpiece.
Dragon1893
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It's co-developed by Japan Studio which is part of WWS.
John Bender
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Only on PS4?
It is! Co-developed by SCE Japan Studio.
Just like:
Resogun / LBP3 -> Studio XDev Studio
The Order: 1886 / Hohokum / Journey -> Sony Santa Monica Studio
Yeah, I'm having deja vu here. I remember all the concern when Heavenly Sword got mix reviews.
Shows that nothing ever changes with console warriors.
Dragon1893
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Last few years of the PS3 really spoiled people.
Insane Metal
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I'm in love with Driveclub, so...