Sony X800D well - reviewed, 4k+HDR TV with low input lag

Yes. Chroma 444 w hdr is only possible on hdmi ports 2 and 3. And I think there is an additional setting you have to adjust on with this tv for to turn it on. Advanced hdmi or something.
 
Shin-Ra said:
'PC' mode HDMI naming's a Samsung thing, no?

Graphics mode achieves what you're after with 1080p sources on this TV though.
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Yeah you're right, that is a Samsung thing. :) Looking at the Rtings review for this TV, the input lag is the same for either Graphics or Game mode. Win/win!
 
lowhighkang_LHK said:
Yes. Chroma 444 w hdr is only possible on hdmi ports 2 and 3. And I think there is an additional setting you have to adjust on with this tv for to turn it on. Advanced hdmi or something.
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Yea you have to go to this section:

Settings - External Inputs - HDMI Signal Format

It says like this: supports on inputs 2 and 3

"4K 60p 4:2:0 10 bit, 4:4:4, 4:2:2"

Not clear if it says 4:4:4 4k60 and HDR all at once or not.

And you have to turn the setting on, it's off by default.
 
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d

The Rtings says it supports 4:4:4 4K at 60 refresh so I guess I'll believe them.

1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : Yes
1080p @ 120Hz Show Help : No
4k @ 30Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : Yes
4k @ 60Hz Show Help : Yes
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : Yes

The X800D accepts a 120Hz signal, but has a 60Hz panel so it can only display half of the frames. It supports chroma 4:4:4 at up to 4k @ 60Hz. To display 4:4:4, set the scene to 'Graphics' or 'Game'. This results in an input lag of 33.3ms. It accepts a 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 signal only HDMI 2 and 3, and requires 'Enhanced HDMI' to be enabled in the input settings.
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1080p @ 60Hz Show Help : 33.3 ms
1080p With Interpolation Show Help : 49.1 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode Show Help : 49.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 33.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz Show Help : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help : 33.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR Show Help : 33.2 ms

The input lag of the Sony X800D is quite low, which is good. To get the lowest input lag, select the 'Game' or 'Graphics' picture modes. This results in a lag of 33.3ms with an 1080p resolution, which should not be an issue for most people. When sending an HDR signal at 1080p, the input lag remains the same as under 'Game' or 'Graphic' mode.
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Also the HDMI 3 has ARC, is that audio pass through?
 
NeoMetallix said:
So is graphics better than game mode?
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It depends if you want pixel-perfect sharp (Graphics) or softer filtered (Game) upscaling of 1080i/p HDMI inputs.

I took closeup photos of both modes to show the difference in scaling.
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The SHARE button on this PS4 Capture Gallery screen is what's being photographed.
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Reality Creation must be turned off in Graphics mode to get the sharp nearest-neighbour scaling.

lowhighkang_LHK said:
It seems to be a wash. Choose the setting that allows you to personally adjust image quality. Sometimes on some TV's, game mode auto-adjusts settings and blacks them out, leaving me with insanely sharpness, color and contrast values.
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Both modes have the same options available, including the basics you mentioned.

Sharpness 50 is the default and mid-point with no additional blurring or sharpening. I have this set to 50 for both photos above, but Game mode's scaling has undefeatable sharpening.
 
Finally set up my TV yesterday and tried the Sony 4K demo through YouTube. Such insane blacks and incredibly sharpness.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to set this up with PlayStation VR. Obviously need two different connections for when in VR and when not in VR...
 
Shin-Ra said:
It depends if you want pixel-perfect sharp (Graphics) or softer filtered (Game) upscaling of a 1080i/p HDMI inputs.

I took closeup photos of both modes to show the difference in scaling.



The SHARE button on this PS4 Capture Gallery screen is what's being photographed.

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Did you come from the AVS forums? ;) Great stuff here. Thanks for taking the time to take these comparison shots.
 
Probably the best demo material I have seen on Youtube is "Grand Teton 8K". Watch that and prepare for your jaws to drop only to realize it isn't even HDR coming through the display yet.
 
Shin-Ra said:
It depends if you want pixel-perfect sharp (Graphics) or softer filtered (Game) upscaling of 1080i/p HDMI inputs.

I took closeup photos of both modes to show the difference in scaling.


The SHARE button on this PS4 Capture Gallery screen is what's being photographed.


Reality Creation must be turned off in Graphics mode to get the sharp nearest-neighbour scaling.


Both modes have the same options available, including the basics you mentioned.

Sharpness 50 is the default and mid-point with no additional blurring or sharpening. I have this set to 50 for both photos above, but Game mode's scaling has undefeatable sharpening.
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What about for 4K though? Is it also pixel perfect?
 
Madness said:
Probably the best demo material I have seen on Youtube is "Grand Teton 8K". Watch that and prepare for your jaws to drop only to realize it isn't even HDR coming through the display yet.
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God damn is that beautiful


I can imagine what WCG and HDR would do to that........holy shit!!!!


This only makes me want really nice quiet scenes in days gone......just relaxing nature and shit
 
Shin-Ra said:
It depends if you want pixel-perfect sharp (Graphics) or softer filtered (Game) upscaling of 1080i/p HDMI inputs.

I took closeup photos of both modes to show the difference in scaling.


The SHARE button on this PS4 Capture Gallery screen is what's being photographed.


Reality Creation must be turned off in Graphics mode to get the sharp nearest-neighbour scaling.


Both modes have the same options available, including the basics you mentioned.

Sharpness 50 is the default and mid-point with no additional blurring or sharpening. I have this set to 50 for both photos above, but Game mode's scaling has undefeatable sharpening.
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Nice shots, I need to try this out to see what I prefer. I have been using game.
 
Shin-Ra said:
It depends if you want pixel-perfect sharp (Graphics) or softer filtered (Game) upscaling of 1080i/p HDMI inputs.

I took closeup photos of both modes to show the difference in scaling.


The SHARE button on this PS4 Capture Gallery screen is what's being photographed.


Reality Creation must be turned off in Graphics mode to get the sharp nearest-neighbour scaling.


Both modes have the same options available, including the basics you mentioned.

Sharpness 50 is the default and mid-point with no additional blurring or sharpening. I have this set to 50 for both photos above, but Game mode's scaling has undefeatable sharpening.
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Thanks bro super helpful
 
wolfhunter777 said:
Is there much different between the X80 and X85 series of tv?
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X850D is 120hz panel and has the X1 upscaling processor. Slightly worse blacks but a little better brightness for HDR. In terms of 4k and HDR picture quality, the X850D will give you a better picture, but for gaming, you have much higher input lag. Not enough where it is unplayable.

X850D is also sort of the big brother here, only in larger sizes.
 
Madness said:
No. You can enable it manually in game mode or keep it auto and have it turn on when you have an HDR signal.
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Perfect. Another thing I notice. When I enable HDR, it puts the brightness back up to maximum. Should I bring this down to 1-10? It looks really washed out :|
 
Shancake said:
Perfect. Another thing I notice. When I enable HDR, it puts the brightness back up to maximum. Should I bring this down to 1-10? It looks really washed out :|
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yeah same here for me. HDR looks really washed out. I like the TV but my biggest complaint is how bad the peak brightness is.
 
Shancake said:
Perfect. Another thing I notice. When I enable HDR, it puts the brightness back up to maximum. Should I bring this down to 1-10? It looks really washed out :|
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Gunslinger said:
yeah same here for me. HDR looks really washed out. I like the TV but my biggest complaint is how bad the peak brightness is.
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The brightness in this case is just the backlight. I would keep that maxed out for HDR viewing. For dim/dark room SDR viewing, this can be set much lower.

What is typically called brightness in most sets is is actually the black level in this set.

Black level and contrast (and backlight) may be set-up properly using a calibration set-up disc like the free one at AVS:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html

CyberChulo said:
The Epson 5040ub is a 4k projector that does hdr.
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Yes, the 5040ub is a fauxK projector that does HDR< but it has trouble from many sources, including HDR from the X1S from what I have read. It is by far the most affordable way to get a large screen at this quality though.

Another generation or 2 and I will upgrade my 1080p projector, but they have to iron out some of these kinks.
 
considering this as an upgrade for a computer monitor that is dedicated for gaming.


I would sit about 2.5 - 3 feet max distance away from this and it would function as a steam monitor, xbox one and ps4 (maybe pro) system.

currently using a dell u3011 which is annoying me due to the input switching errors.

I would like to upgrade anyway to take advantage of the 4k output from the newer gaming machines and the enhanced color palette.

current gaming machine uses a 980ti which I understand will be functional with 4k gaming but will likely be upgraded rather quickly if the distance is not an issue.


the question is as follows - does anyone use this (43 inch XBR43X800D) within 3 feet, how does it function as a monitor - and for 1080 input does it look like crap up close?

(the xbox one and ps4 look great on the u3011 - and the computer games look great at 2560 x 1600)

is it time to upgrade?
 
Close to ordering this. Do we think at some stage someone will figure out the best settings for viewing on PS4 and posted them? Including things like full range / limited rgb and true black and all that stuff
 
If you're seeing dim peak brightness with HDR content, make sure Brightness and Contrast are set close to maximum.
 
SonicAaron said:
Close to ordering this. Do we think at some stage someone will figure out the best settings for viewing on PS4 and posted them? Including things like full range / limited rgb and true black and all that stuff
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Good setttings on the TV depend a lot on your setup and room lighting. Its not often that someone elses settings will work for you.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d/settings

This site has posted their settings they tested the TV at. At the bottom they mention why this might not work, but also have a QnA from people asking what they think of certain conditions and settings. Pretty useful.

The Xb1S has a really good calibrating setup to follow.
 
tempted by this one. Between this and the Samsung 6300 but I may spend the extra cash, will wait to see if any places will have a deal on this tv for BF. Last tv I bought was a Samsung 1080p 32" in 09. Really just looking for something that is that has a nicer picture and a little bigger, 40-43 is as big as I want to go for my bedroom.
 
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