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[KyoZz]

Seeing this thread, it is safe to say that this decision is... divisive to say the least. But you need to look at it as an opportunity.
First: for players. It bring a bigger audience to Sony IP's and offer a large player base. For example, Steam alone had 120 millions active users in 2020. It also help brand recognition as it bring people that are not interested by buying a console at first.
Secondly: for Sony. Knowing your game is gonna release on PC is a very good opportunity for Sony, but also for the investors and the developers. Already successful games will make a ton more profit like Horizon Zero Dawn and more disappointing release could get a second chance with minimal investment (Days Gone is the perfect exemple)
And if PC can help recoup development costs, It can also help allow the greenlight of more risky and originals games.

All of this is a win-win situation and bring more and more players into Sony's wallet.

 

[ACESHIGH]

Yep only a deluded fanboy can be against this approach.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Sony when the salty tears start flowing:

 

[digital_ghost]

Excellent write up. I support the decision of Sony pc games. I still want a JRPG from Sony like they did in the ps2 days. I guess it's too risky nowadays for them.

 

[Mike Zhang]

Next good decision by sony will be dropping hardware business. Why sell consoles at loss?

 

[Billbofet]

Seems MS got a lot of criticism over doing this for years.
I agree it's all for the best though.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Of course it is, I don't think people will deny this too much.

Question for me has always been Day1 or Year2 releases for Sony business wise.

 

[lh032]

I have no issue whether PC gamers able to access Playstation games.

I have issue with some PCMR mindset, whereby they always hijack consoles threads and articles and says how good games will run on their system.
No shit water is wet.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Next good decision by sony will be dropping hardware business. Why sell consoles at loss?

They only lose money on consoles in the first couple of years in every generation - after that, it's profit.

 

[Pop On Arrival]

Only a literal mongoloid would be upset with more people being able to play good games. Love what Microsoft is doing honestly.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Sony does risk people who would buy third party games on consoles to just move over to PC instead.

so it's hard to really say how profitable it is without an analysis of the loss of platform licensing fees

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Day One would be even better. It's basically free money for Sony which would allow them to invest even more into PlayStation which only benefits us gamers.

 

[MonarchJT]

day one ..would be even better

 

[OneTruth]

Exclusives PS5 games on PC = less stupid fanboys and more cash for Sony. Very good move.

 

[Entroyp]

Indeed.

 

[roosnam1980]

driveclub for pc

 

[Bonfires Down]

I like games

 

[supernova8]

Basically a win/win because they get to have it console exclusive (ie not coming to any other console) but also they usually seem to release the stuff on PC long after it's been exclusive on Playstation, and still get the sales.

I doubt they would ever release a major first party title on PC and PS5 simultaneously (which is what a minority of people might think will happen) because then a lot of PC gamers who own a Playstation would just stop buying Playstation.

 

[noise36]

Agreed.

 

[kretos]

fanboyism aside, from a business view it makes sense but they'd be crazy if they release games day 1 on PC

i'd say 2 years is a good window when sales have dried on the console

 

[Krappadizzle]

I have no issue whether PC gamers able to access Playstation games.

I have issue with some PCMR mindset, whereby they always hijack consoles threads and articles and says how good games will run on their system.
No shit water is wet.

When it was thought that Sony would be pushing out crazy unique PS5 games in 2021 Sony fanboys had no problems shitting up any MSFt/Nintendo threads, now when the shoe is on the other foot they wanna cry foul. Some of you can't even help yourselves.

Also. Water isn't wet. It wets things, much like tears do. You wouldn't call fire burned would you?
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The Last Guardian to PC next please and thank you.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Win-win for most gamers. Only the hardcore ecosystem warriors dont like it

The reasoning is the brand needs exclusives to make it worth it or else they'll all convert to PC gamers buying $2000+ rigs and play them there.

 

[bender]

Next good decision by sony will be dropping hardware business. Why sell consoles at loss?

 

[lh032]

When it was thought that Sony would be pushing out crazy unique PS5 games in 2021 Sony fanboys had no problems shitting up any MSFt/Nintendo threads, now when the shoe is on the other foot they wanna cry foul. Some of you can't even help yourselves.

Also. Water isn't wet. It wets things, much like tears do. You wouldn't call fire burned would you?
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The Last Guardian to PC next please and thank you.

What a load of nonsense, fanboys exist everywhere, not just on Playstation. You are not paying enough attention it seems.

 

[Rea]

Day One would be even better. It's basically free money for Sony which would allow them to invest even more into PlayStation which only benefits us gamers.

 

[Krappadizzle]

What a load of nonsense, fanboys exist everywhere, not just on Playstation. You are not paying enough attention it seems.

I never said otherwise.

 

[lh032]

I never said otherwise.

"When it was thought that Sony would be pushing out crazy unique PS5 games in 2021 Sony fanboys had no problems shitting up any MSFt/Nintendo threads, now when the shoe is on the other foot they wanna cry foul. Some of you can't even help yourselves."

Nice spin. Did you even check your post before you reply to me?

 

[Krappadizzle]

"When it was thought that Sony would be pushing out crazy unique PS5 games in 2021 Sony fanboys had no problems shitting up any MSFt/Nintendo threads, now when the shoe is on the other foot they wanna cry foul. Some of you can't even help yourselves."

Nice spin.

Still never said otherwise. Not quite sure your reading comprehension is all there. If that's how you interpret that sentence...well, you do you. I have no issue calling any side out as I don't have a dog in the race.

 

[lh032]

Still never said otherwise. Not quite sure your reading comprehension is all there.

Next time, check your post before you simply reply to someone.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Next time, check your post before you simply reply to someone.

Next time learn to read before you reply.

 

[SlimySnake]

Sony does risk people who would buy third party games on consoles to just move over to PC instead.

so it's hard to really say how profitable it is without an analysis of the loss of platform licensing fees

They stand to lose:
- 10% platform royalty/license fee on all retail sales
- 30% sales cut + royalty on all digital sales (80% of all sales)
- 30% of all fortnite microtransactions. PS had half of the $9 billion revenue fortnite has made in the last two years.
- PS+ subs. 45 million yearly subs. $2.8 billion in revenue. Essentially free money since cod, fornite and battlefield servers are all hosted by ea, activision and epic.
- 30% digital cut to valve, MS or epic or wherever they put their first party games

there is lots to lose but their internal numbers must show data that says different. Data isnt everything though. Analytics have ruined baseball this season, and made it practically unwatchable so I wouldnt trust whatever internal data sony is looking at the moment.

 

[Krappadizzle]

They stand to lose:
- 10% platform royalty/license fee on all retail sales
- 30% sales cut + royalty on all digital sales (80% of all sales)
- 30% of all fortnite microtransactions. PS had half of the $9 billion revenue fortnite has made in the last two years.
- PS+ subs. 45 million yearly subs. $2.8 billion in revenue. Essentially free money since cod, fornite and battlefield servers are all hosted by ea, activision and epic.
- 30% digital cut to valve, MS or epic or wherever they put their first party games

there is lots to lose but their internal numbers must show data that says different. Data isnt everything though. Analytics have ruined baseball this season, and made it practically unwatchable so I wouldnt trust whatever internal data sony is looking at the moment.

You really straight up just did 45 million X $50.00 didn't you? Lol, that shit goes on sale ALL the time, highly doubt 45 million people are straight up paying $50 for PS+.

They could easily start up their own PS PC Store like everyone else and cut out Steam just like Epic has done.

And you are straight up equivocating a new PC game sold as a straight loss of a PS5 sale. It doesn't work that way. They stand to gain a lot more software sales selling to the 120+ million PC gamers than the few million they may lose on console. PC games have a very long life span as hardware becomes cheaper and more efficient. So lifetime revenue could do wonders for profit for Sony.

Even that aside, I'd bet the average consumer in general just wants to sit down on the couch and play a good ol' console, it's not gonna kill the console. It's literally just sharing toys at this point. Sony isn't going anywhere, there not gonna stop making great games just because more people can play them.

 

[The_Mike]

Im personally not interested in Sonys games, but it's nice to see pc getting more games that were previously excluaives and make pc players not needing to buy inferior hardware.

I do feel pitty for the fanboys who think it devalues the games, but that's just their losses.

I'm more intested in seeing which games actually comes to pc given how limited pcs hard drives are. *chuckle *

 

[A.Romero]

It's a good move for gamers and also for Sony. They are not amateurs, they know what they are doing.

 

[NeoLed]

Good for "video game preservation" too. I still want to play some Suikoden even tho I already give away my PS3

 

[Sentenza]

Imagine being mentally challenged to the degree that the notion of someone playing "muh exclusives" on another device sends you seething.

 

[twilo99]

Yes, bring everything to Windows! Can't wait

 

[SlimySnake]

It's a good move for gamers and also for Sony. They are not amateurs, they know what they are doing.

Yep. When GG spent the past 6 months fixing the PC version of horizon, that had no impact on horizon forbidden West's development. It's certain to come out this year.

Oh wait.

Horizon Forbidden West "on track" for holiday release, but "that isn’t quite certain yet"

i find it absurd that factions wouldn't be ready for this year.. wtf are they doing? Sony is gonna rely on third party for this fall most likely. God of War for next summer, Horizon February. I also would've thought Sony would have bundled it all and released it at once with the remake. If they...

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MLB the show going to Xbox this year helped ps5 gamers because Sony took all that extra money and made sure to make the ps5 version of MLB look next gen as fuck. Frostbite hair, next gen faces, gorgeous photorealistic lighting. All because San Diego studios got the extra money and resources by making 4 separate Xbox versions of the game. Win win for gamers.

Nope. That didn't happen either.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Yep. When GG spent the past 6 months fixing the PC version of horizon, that had no impact on horizon forbidden West's development. It's certain to come out this year.

Oh wait.

Horizon Forbidden West "on track" for holiday release, but "that isn’t quite certain yet"

i find it absurd that factions wouldn't be ready for this year.. wtf are they doing? Sony is gonna rely on third party for this fall most likely. God of War for next summer, Horizon February. I also would've thought Sony would have bundled it all and released it at once with the remake. If they...

www.neogaf.com

You really think GG had all hands on deck for the PC port of Horizon? Let alone fixing it? All those artist, musicians, writers, coders, technicians, all just plugging away at fixing some code huh?

You've got to get a grip brother. Take a breath. It's gonna be ok.

 

[Yoboman]

Make a couple million unit sales

Lose a couple million hardware sales & associated licensing and royalties

Sony's calculator seems broken

 

[ZywyPL]

It's good because you get to play good games without any of Sony's bullshit.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Exclusivity is bullshit. Sell your games to everyone. If I can play a game without having to drop hundreds on hardware then that's good. I want to play Demons Souls but I'm not spending £450 for one game. put it on PC I will buy it.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

They stand to lose:
- 10% platform royalty/license fee on all retail sales
- 30% sales cut + royalty on all digital sales (80% of all sales)
- 30% of all fortnite microtransactions. PS had half of the $9 billion revenue fortnite has made in the last two years.
- PS+ subs. 45 million yearly subs. $2.8 billion in revenue. Essentially free money since cod, fornite and battlefield servers are all hosted by ea, activision and epic.
- 30% digital cut to valve, MS or epic or wherever they put their first party games

there is lots to lose but their internal numbers must show data that says different. Data isnt everything though. Analytics have ruined baseball this season, and made it practically unwatchable so I wouldnt trust whatever internal data sony is looking at the moment.

I guess their data shows PC consumers and console owners are largely distinct at this point, and maybe they're right. Or if you already game on PC and own a console, you will buy all multiplats on PC anyway, with a large audience of PC gamers that will never own a console

their studios are so big now that it's worth getting an extra 10% in sales or whatever, on the surface

what confused me is that Sony boasted 250% ROI on Horizon PC, but that seems pretty paltry if the "investment" was to simply port it. But maybe porting it is more expensive than I thought. It did sell well though. But even so 1M PC sales is only 10% of what it sold on PS4, maybe less.

btw, how has analytics ruined baseball?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Exclusivity is bullshit. Sell your games to everyone. If I can play a game without having to drop hundreds on hardware then that's good. I want to play Demons Souls but I'm not spending £450 for one game. put it on PC I will buy it.

I want to play Nintendo, Microsoft, and PC games on my PS5 but we don't always get what we want....

 

[FranXico]

MLB the show going to Xbox this year helped ps5 gamers because Sony took all that extra money

MLB took all that extra Gamepass money, not Sony.

 

[Sentenza]

I want to play Nintendo, Microsoft, and PC games on my PS5 but we don't always get what we want....

Just because usually "You don't get it" it doesn't mean you'd have to endorse (or even rabidly defend) the status quo.

 

[sunnysideup]

They stand to lose:
- 10% platform royalty/license fee on all retail sales
- 30% sales cut + royalty on all digital sales (80% of all sales)
- 30% of all fortnite microtransactions. PS had half of the $9 billion revenue fortnite has made in the last two years.
- PS+ subs. 45 million yearly subs. $2.8 billion in revenue. Essentially free money since cod, fornite and battlefield servers are all hosted by ea, activision and epic.
- 30% digital cut to valve, MS or epic or wherever they put their first party games

there is lots to lose but their internal numbers must show data that says different. Data isnt everything though. Analytics have ruined baseball this season, and made it practically unwatchable so I wouldnt trust whatever internal data sony is looking at the moment.

It seems you can mention this a 1000 times. Yet tards are going to post the same bullshit "free money".

Playstation can only loose by making pc platform stronger.

 

[cripterion]

It's a good thing. As long as the ports are competent, I'm all for it.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

fanboyism aside, from a business view it makes sense but they'd be crazy if they release games day 1 on PC

i'd say 2 years is a good window when sales have dried on the console

Why? I mean realistically they won't release them same day but honestly why would it matter? The people saying they will leave the Playstation brand will still buy the games day one, Sony would make even more money for these games that are expensive as hell to develop, plus it doesn't effect the console exclusive players experience one bit.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It's great 4ThePlayers. It might be risky for Sony's business model though. They highly depend on those 3rd party royalties.