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South Park Season 14 Thread Of Tom Cruise
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gutterboy44
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Princess Skittles said:
I kind of half agree with this, but I like to believe that Trey and Matt would have broadcast Muhammed doing some insane shit if it were not for the network censorship. I think they just made the best comedic lemonade out of censorship lemons. I think they would have taken the stand if possible...at least that is what I hope.
But didn't CC itself confirm they added additional bleeps? Plus they restricted from it being shown on the internet, are using previous episodes in place of 201 reruns and gaffer that works on South Park confirms they were surprised by it. Additionally, now Super Best Friends has been taken down. It seems that there is no conspiracy and it indeed was censored further by CC. It's not the first time something like this happened too - in Cartoon Wars, though it had fit tone of the episode (well I guess just like the newest one), it is quite well known that the scene with Mohammed was censored by CC, not Matt and Trey.Princess Skittles said:
As for the theory that they did it themselves and that's why Mohammed's name was spoken so many times - it might've been just to piss muslims off, not like they didn't excessively do something along these lines in the past ('It Hits The Fan', or the ridiculous Jesus video at the end of Cartoon Wars).
Thing is, this is just plain dumb. You can make fun of any religion or religious figure, but when it comes to islam - oh no, STAY AWAY. Religion of Peace. Protected by First Amendment! Smh.
Edit: OH WAIT. I thought that the final speech being censored was actually a joke, and CC only censored out Mohammed's name. WTF
Fidelis Hodie
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CassSept said:
Yeah, big WTF.
And Kyle's final speech . . I don't think I'm allowed. :lol Sorry!
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
Of course it's not a conspiracy (that was a joke). I'm just saying/thinking that they submitted these episodes KNOWING that the Mohammad stuff was going to get axed before being broadcast. It makes them look good, it makes Comedy Central look bad (well, to some people, I guess) and it makes the entire situation look absolutely ridiculous to EVERYONE [/garyoldman]. It's like win/win/win for them to do it this way.CassSept said:
Perhaps they didn't know just how far it would go with the bleeps this time, but they're smart enough dudes to know that after getting death threats, that continuing to push the buttons was going to have some sort of ramification.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
They should add the speech some how to the start of next weeks episode.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Dacvak said:
Shenanigans! Everyone grab a broom!
It was obvious that they would push further, like they've done in the past. It's not like someone being offended by them stopped them. Remember the whole scientology controversy? They followed it up by Super Adventure Club episode.Princess Skittles said:
If someone is offended by them it just makes them push further. It's like, I don't know, a challenge for them. I'm not gonna even start mentioning how they used any religion in the past (especially christanity). I'd understand if all of this, all the controversy, the censorings etc would happen the first time, but it's not. The point being, this takes it to completely another level. Terrorists won this round, again. Terrorism isn't just suicide bombers or attacks, by having CC chickened because of their threats, they made terrorism work once again. The so-called free speech took another punch today and terrorists won another round. And it's definitely not the last time either.
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
Ya know, I think we're on two different thought trains here.CassSept said:
I'm out. :lol
gutterboy44
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CassSept said:
This x1,000 9/11 was such a baptism by fire for the West into the realm of terrorism we are forgetting that all terrorism amounts to is,
We are now so scared shitless of the violence part we cower to threats.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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I think the episode makes a lot more sense if the censorship was done on purpose as it just makes it all the more ridiculous. The official statement released by Matt and Trey stating otherwise makes it all the more strange. And that ending speech by Kyle pretty much had the same effect as the ending speech of the Marklar episode in terms of ridiculousness.
I am so confused right now.
Why was it censored at the last minute? I think it is an ingenious ploy but who knows.
Why was it censored at the last minute? I think it is an ingenious ploy but who knows.
WordAssassin
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I wonder if it'll be on the DVD uncensored?
A friend told me he read in an interview that Matt and Trey said they were just going to put the episode out the way they wanted, and see what happened. You can tell, that there is actually Muhammad in the episode, and the censor bar is actually covering him, because there are times when the censor bar clips over things that are in the foreground, away from where his character would be standing.
As in, SPS didn't animate a censor bar as the character Muhammad, it was something that was put in on top of everything else.
So, I wonder if it'll still be censored on the DVDs? Is Cartoon Wars still cut on the DVD set? I wonder if they'll recall all the season sets with Super Best Friends on them? Also, the episode right after the Cartoon Wars saga had Muhammad in the town opening title card, will that episode be pulled too?
A friend told me he read in an interview that Matt and Trey said they were just going to put the episode out the way they wanted, and see what happened. You can tell, that there is actually Muhammad in the episode, and the censor bar is actually covering him, because there are times when the censor bar clips over things that are in the foreground, away from where his character would be standing.
As in, SPS didn't animate a censor bar as the character Muhammad, it was something that was put in on top of everything else.
So, I wonder if it'll still be censored on the DVDs? Is Cartoon Wars still cut on the DVD set? I wonder if they'll recall all the season sets with Super Best Friends on them? Also, the episode right after the Cartoon Wars saga had Muhammad in the town opening title card, will that episode be pulled too?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Sucks. I don't have extended cable, so I use South Park Studios to watch the episodes. 
I guess I'll have to wait for the DVD collection.
I guess I'll have to wait for the DVD collection.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
No. The censor bar was part of the joke. Hence why it was funny when Tom Cruise had a censor bar over himself after absorbing Muhammad's goo.WordAssassin said:
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You're talking about "201"? If they originally submitted the episode with Muhammad uncensored, then the whole scene with Tom Cruise acquiring the censored bar wouldn't make much sense.WordAssassin said:
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Doubtful. Plus, I doubt any other networks would let them get away with what they get away with.Mr Cola said:
I just watched Cartoon Wars, and it's pretty funny how that show's plot almost directly correlates with what's happening in real life right now.
One can argue censoring muhammed is one thing, but this seems a line too far, censoring actual speech? Where is the line now? It wont get any better, it can only get worse as what is acceptable gets narrower and narrower and creatively South Park is neutered by pussy executives.
WordAssassin
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My friends surmised that Tom Cruise actually turned into Muhammad when he got the goo, and that's why he's censored out too. But the other way around, with the censor bar being the whole gag, makes perfect sense. (Don't know why we didn't think of it, duh)
The thing that struck me as odd, though, was that the censor bar was not animated as the character, it's on top of everything else. There's a scene where Stan is standing in the foreground, and Muhammad is in the background, but as he's moving the censor bar clips over Stan's face - meaning it was put over every other layer in the shot. Curious why they did it that way, or if it's only in that one shot. I'll have to rewatch it.
Also, disgusting that CC bleeped out the speech at the end because it was about giving in to fear. Makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
The thing that struck me as odd, though, was that the censor bar was not animated as the character, it's on top of everything else. There's a scene where Stan is standing in the foreground, and Muhammad is in the background, but as he's moving the censor bar clips over Stan's face - meaning it was put over every other layer in the shot. Curious why they did it that way, or if it's only in that one shot. I'll have to rewatch it.
Also, disgusting that CC bleeped out the speech at the end because it was about giving in to fear. Makes me fucking sick to my stomach.
Fidelis Hodie
Infidelis Cras
Trurl said:
In general, I don't see why not since Trey himself wrote it and owns it, right? I don't really, know, I'm just a PA!
SolidusDave
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eh, this mess is ridiculous
SP > all
Really would like to hear/read the final speech to see which content would result in such censorship.
SP > all
Really would like to hear/read the final speech to see which content would result in such censorship.
The only sensible solution is to feature Mohammed as a central plot point or make him part of the regular cast in every single remaining episode they are contractually obligated to make, which would force Comedy Central to spend money on a show they can only show in incoherent censored form or not at all unless they cave.
Mt Heart Attack
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Yeah. This appears to be the end of South Park, according to Cartman's theoryDacvak said:
Yeah, I saw someone else suggesting that as well, saying that they should just add Mohammed to the boys' class so there's a giant censored-block in the back of the classroom every single episode from now on. :lolJak140 said:The only sensible solution is to feature Mohammed as a central plot point or make him part of the regular cast in every single remaining episode they are contractually obligated to make, which would force Comedy Central to spend money on a show they can only show in incoherent censored form or not at all unless they cave.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Comedy Central forgot to make them take this down from the site. Dumbasses
I apologize in advance if we all get blown up.
Time to switch up the avatar. Hey it would make for a nice way to make a statement if people start using it.
I apologize in advance if we all get blown up.
Time to switch up the avatar.
Hey it would make for a nice way to make a statement if people start using it.WordAssassin
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The guy on the right? That's Muhammad.noisome07 said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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WordAssassin said:
It was originally on this link, but I just reloaded it (about 15 minutes after first finding it) and its gone now.
Well I finally switched my Manos avatar for one in favor of free speech.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Amir0x said:
Shame there isn't a High Def broadcast copy of SBF (or is there?). One can always do that with the standard def version. It would be cool if we could find out what the original speech was, then someone could dub it in.
South Park Creators Respond
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/south-park-creators-respond/
In the 14 years weve been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldnt stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasnt some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyles customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didnt mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. Well be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and well see what happens to it.
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/south-park-creators-respond/
In the 14 years weve been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldnt stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasnt some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyles customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didnt mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. Well be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and well see what happens to it.
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