Game suddenly jumps from recruiting someone and to the end.
I only got TWO summons, and I saw way more on streams (saw two other ones). I only did about 7(?) side quests, but there are way more. The sidequests aren't just fetch and hatch. They have a story too with cutscenes.
Hmm the games length is a two sided blade... on the one hand you want more of the game because it is such fun... but on the other hand it is the perfect length. The pacing is amazing and you just keep laughing all the way. Nothing tedious... nothing which "costs" time. I didn't feel like I wasted time once! That is a very big plus for me. The game is polished and looks like the show, the gags are more than amazing and the plot twists are better than in many other games, way better.
You are going to miss a very very (GOTY contender) good game this year if you aren't playing it because of the play length.
This makes a lot more sense. We're doing everything we come across as none of it feels like filler, it's all well designed and humorous throughout. Just getting the Summons fills your Facebook feed with humorous content. It's all great.
Game suddenly jumps from recruiting someone and to the end.
I only got TWO summons, and I saw way more on streams (saw two other ones). I only did about 7(?) side quests, but there are way more. The sidequests aren't just fetch and hatch. They have a story too with cutscenes.
Hmm the games length is a two sided blade... on the one hand you want more of the game because it is such fun... but on the other hand it is the perfect length. The pacing is amazing and you just keep laughing all the way. Nothing tedious... nothing which "costs" time. I didn't feel like I wasted time once! That is a very big plus for me. The game is polished and looks like the show, the gags are more than amazing and the plot twists are better than in many other games, way better.
You are going to miss a very very (GOTY contender) good game this year if you aren't playing it because of the play length.
And that's why those games never achieve the sales of games that keep it tighter. I've got news for you: Xenoblade Chronicles is chock full of padding and filler. It's a good game, but one with a lot of fluff.
It's why the market for such games is getting smaller and smaller: a dwindling fanbase who want games they measure by length rather than strength of the entire experience.
er.. that's not true. I know you're saying that specifically in reference to the Call of Duty games, but even those games are generally well reviewed each time. They're not 'bad' games by a long shot.
Even the latest one, Ghosts, is generally a 70+ metacritic game across all the platforms, still very respectable.
Oh, and because I am not restricted to any embargo shit, here are my impressions. I finished the game and have a few sidequests left, but my playtime in the end was 8 hours. Yes 8 hours, but I think that they don't count cutscenes, because I seriously played more than 8 hours. I played the uncut version.
Positiv:
- Looks exactly like the show
- Minute after minute is funnier and funnier
- I thought that every important South Park aspect got into the game (important episodes, characters, easter eggs)
- Story is funny and awesome, I know, South Park never had a serious story, but the story in this game just screamed for more
- Game is a nice midlong snack for a weekend, very nice snack
- Gameplay is awesome after 1 hour, many options to handle battles and nothing too easy or hard, I played on normal difficulty
- Skill points and everything is good enough, nothing special
- Enemy spoiler
I seriously loved fightning against every Nazi Zombie enemy lol
Negativ:
- I want more story (positiv!)
- A few slowdowns sometimes, but nothing really bad (PS3 Version)
- Cut content shouldn't be allowed
- Equipment level based... I don't know why they did that, because low level equipment CAN be better than high level equipment
- Level cap
- Sudden hp increase in the end game (i don't know how stats get leveled up...went from 2000 hp to 4500 hp in 30 minutes playtime.. and I don't know how)
This game is the best Licence game I've ever played. Yes, imo it's better than the Batman games these past years. For many people 60$ will be too much, but I can reassure you that the game is easily worth 40$. For South Park Fans it's worth more than 60$ ;-)
Thanks for the impressions! I wonder if you're on to something about cutscenes not counting against game time? There's a guy on twitch that did a playthrough skipping every cutscene, and he finished it in 8hrs.
Would explain why others have talked about it feeling a lot longer than the game timer says.
I think their train of thought went something like this:
"Who could complain about this game? It would have to be someone who isn't familiar with South Park, maybe someone old, who bought this game by mistake thinking it would be nice for a young kid." ... My God, isn't europe FULL of old people?"
And that's why those games never achieve the sales of games that keep it tighter. I've got news for you: Xenoblade Chronicles is chock full of padding and filler. It's a good game, but one with a lot of fluff.
It's why the market for such games is getting smaller and smaller: a dwindling fanbase who want games they measure by length rather than strength of the entire experience.
Length contributes to the world and character experience that is essential in an rpg especially, that's not to say people are measuring it by length but more time is typically needed to establish things in this genre than others.
There's a degree of boiling frog syndrome from this, Ground Zeroes and the Left Behind thread when the length has finally come out. I don't think people would have been so accepting of it and the price attached were it known before hype had reached fever pitch.
The only trend I see is people finally seeing that a game like Chrono Trigger had it right years ago foregoing all the fluff for a distilled, amazing experience while others keep padding it out to appease the crowd that values number of hours over quality of experience.
Length contributes to the world and character experience that is essential in an rpg especially, that's not to say people are measuring it by length but more time is typically needed to establish things in this genre than others.
There's a degree of boiling frog syndrome from this, Ground Zeroes and the Left Behind thread when the length has finally come out. I don't think people would have been so accepting of it and the price attached were it known before hype had reached fever pitch.
It's 100% subjective if we're using things like definitions and reality.
The only trend I see is people finally seeing that a game like Chrono Trigger had it right years ago foregoing all the fluff for a distilled, amazing experience while others keep padding it out to appease the crowd that values number of hours over quality of experience.
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Its not for you to decide what people enjoy. People enjoy those games and what you consider "needless" fluff might be what they wanted from those games because they...I know, here comes the shocking part... enjoy it and like it more than a 8 hour story focussed game. Did that ever cross your mind?
That's because it's incredibly difficult to have an epic journey that wraps up very quickly and is still satisfying to the player. There's a very good reason why chrono trigger stands alone in that.
I think you aren't realizing that making an rpg too short is just as dangerous as making it too long.
I'm being buried by new releases and games I want to finish, yet I'm compelled to buy this now. Damn me and my impulsive nature! I need help emerging from my backlog!
I'm being buried by new releases and games I want to finish, yet I'm compelled to buy this now. Damn me and my impulsive nature! I need help emerging from my backlog!
Its not for you to decide what people enjoy. People enjoy those games and what you consider "needless" fluff might be what they wanted from those games because they...I know, here comes the shocking part... enjoy it and like it more than a 8 hour story focussed game. Did that ever cross your mind?
And thankfully the market seems to agree with me as these experiences move mostly to handheld where they can be more bite-sized and not require a large budget.
That's because it's incredibly difficult to have an epic journey that wraps up very quickly and is still satisfying to the player. There's a very good reason why chrono trigger stands alone in that.
I think you aren't realizing that making an rpg too short is just as dangerous as making it too long.
No I just think it has to do with catering to a small vocal fan-base for whom seeing that a game is 120 hours is the most important selling point. I don't think it has anything to do with being more difficult.
I just gave up and preloaded the swiss version on steam, I hope its the uk one but I'm not sure, maybe its the german censored one.
where can I see the version? steam account doesnt specify anything, only the title of the game + preorder package.
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I just gave up and preloaded the swiss version on steam, I hope its the uk one but I'm not sure, maybe its the german censored one.
where can I see the version? steam account doesnt specify anything, only the title of the game + preorder package.
And thankfully the market seems to agree with me as these experiences move mostly to handheld where they can be more bite-sized and not require a large budget.
No I just think it has to do with catering to a small vocal fan-base for whom seeing that a game is 120 hours is the most important selling point. I don't think it has anything to do with being more difficult.
Ignorance to what exactly? The fact that as these types of games have continued to chase the checkbox of "80+ hours" they've also seen sales dwindle? That I'm not willing to just disregard market realities?
I love the genre and want to see it succeed and get more actual budgets for something other than Final Fantasy. Games like this are exactly what we need.
yep I saw your post on the other page but it only says "South Park: The Stick of Truth + Ultimate Fellowship Pack (Preorder)" for me, on both tabs.
its weird because for thief for isntance it says "Thief Pre-Purchase ROW", but nothing spezific for south park
Ignorance to what exactly? The fact that as these types of games have continued to chase the checkbox of "80+ hours" they've also seen sales dwindle? That I'm not willing to just disregard market realities?
I enjoyed The World Ends With You a lot more than shit like Xenoblade and FF12. Those games felt like they only wanted to waste my time whereas TWEWY kept a quick pace, had zero filler and finished leaving me wanting more rather than feeling burnt out. South Park looks to be longer than that game and have roughly an entire seasons worth of content. More than enough for me. Remember, it's a South Park game first, and a simple Paper Mario style RPG second. It's not trying to be an epic, hardcore grindy 80 hour RPG and I don't think every RPG should try and aim for that, especially a game based on a comedy show. Another example is Persona 4. Everybody loves that game. I even liked the story and characters but the repetitive dungeons drove me up the wall and completely killed the game for me, but hey if people are into that kinda stuff...
You dont need a "young" art/industry to know that sales are not in any way, shape or form representative of the quality of a product. Its always more about perception than the actual quality. Sure, quality is one part of what the audience/buyers perceive about a product, but not even remotely the most important. You can sell utter shit if you know how to market it. Having more budget/clever advertisements/brand strength than a similar strong product is a very important factor in getting more sales as well, despite that meaning nothing at all for the quality of a product.
Your "barometer" is saying that a game selling 20,000,000 copies is potentially 20,000 times better than a game selling 1000 copies. How someone can even begin to argue that this is reflecting the actual quality of a game is beyond me, so yeah, even the broken aggregate review scale is better at reflecting the quality of a game, and we all know how good that actually is.
I think long and meaty games can be fun but... honestly folks that can afford to play such titles usually fall under two categories from what I have seen.
A. Regardless of age, you have lots of free time.(I remember these days well.)
B. You only play 1-5 games a year or can only afford to do so.
Of course there are exceptions. I know for me personally with full time career, fiancee, baby due in a month, two dogs, youtube video content, social life, etc. Im lucky to find the time I can for games. Having beat Southpark TSOT already, I can say for me, personally, it was the absolute perfect length.
Ignorance to what exactly? The fact that as these types of games have continued to chase the checkbox of "80+ hours" they've also seen sales dwindle? That I'm not willing to just disregard market realities?
I love the genre and want to see it succeed and get more actual budgets for something other than Final Fantasy. Games like this are exactly what we need.
You dont need a "young" art/industry to know that sales are not in any way, shape or form representative of the quality of a product. Its always more about perception than the actual quality. Sure, quality is one part of what the audience/buyers perceive about a product, but not even remotely the most important. You can sell utter shit if you know how to market it. Having more budget/clever advertisements/brand strength than a similar strong product is a very important factor in getting more sales as well, despite that meaning nothing at all for the quality of a product.
Your "barometer" is saying that a game selling 20,000,000 copies is potentially 20,000 times better than a game selling 1000 copies. How can someone even begin to argue that this is reflecting the actual quality of a game, so yeah, even the broken aggregate review scale is better at reflecting the quality of a game, and we all know how good that actually is.
I said nothing of the sort. I made a general statement that quality of the overall games being offered has suffered due to chasing the huge number of hours instead of chasing quality. You're inferring things I never said nor even implied.
I see barely anything there with the type of budget and production value I'm talking about. A large smattering of indie fare and a few of the exact types of games that are the problem (hello again Lightning) doesn't make a strong case for your point.
This game is the best Licence game I've ever played. Yes, imo it's better than the Batman games these past years. For many people 60$ will be too much, but I can reassure you that the game is easily worth 40$. For South Park Fans it's worth more than 60$ ;-)
People measuring value and quality by playtime are doing it wrong.
Xenoblade Chronicles and FF XII sit in my closet unfinished. It's not satisfying to buy something and never see the end of it. 2 hours spent with Journey was better than both of those games combined.
