BertramCooper
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And all it took was a bunch of their employees getting murdered.
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Special edition of Charlie Hebdo will feauture caricatures of Mohammed
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ReturnOfTheRAT
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How do I buy it without involving EBay?
Shit post.
HappyBivouac
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They're not insulting anyone. They're insulting a religious figure. It's not the same as directly insulting a group of real, living people, as would be the case with racism, sexism or religious persecution. Understand the distinction. If real, living people are "insulted" then that's their idiotic choice.
Integrity is exactly what's at stake here, and I'm glad to see their bravery in upholding it.
ComputerMKII
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Charlie Hebdo was built on the ashes of Hara-Kiri magazine, which motto was "a stupid and nasty magazine", so it is business as usual. Also, we were warned:
hammertomb
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You spelled Muhammad wrong.
Stereogatari
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If he was so right then why haven't more attacks happened since the initial attack? After it became a global news story Muslims all over the World heard about the cartoons.
So they should retreat under the threat of islamic terrorism.
Phat Michael
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Agreed completely. If the situation escalates it's not going to be good for anyone.
It already has escalated pretty damn high. If the situation escalated even higher then it's still the terrorists fault.
Sickboy007
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Italian GAFfers, a heads up: Charlie Hebdo's next issue will be a supplement of Wednesday's Il Fatto Quotidiano, available in every Italian newsagent.
The proceeds will be donated to the families of the victims.
The proceeds will be donated to the families of the victims.
ComputerMKII
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There's no one right spelling of Arabic names in latin characters. The right spelling is in Arabic anyway
Phat Michael
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Yeah I see it escalating further if they keep doing it. No one is arguing who's fault it is but provocation can lead to something much worse.
The past few days would mean absolutely nothing if france and by extension the rest of the world gives in fears of retaliation now.
hammertomb
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Didn't know that. Thanks.
The situation can hardly escalate much more. The threat of terror attacks is something every country has to live with and has been for many years.
At the end of the day most people, Muslim or otherwise, are not capable of killing in cold blood no matter how badly they are offended, there will always be a minority of militant lunatics and we should never bend to their will.
LOL, thats quite an...... interesting and mildly suspicious thing to be thinking about/focusing on in these circumstances.
Well the US went to war over it, they didn't just print a magazine...
Not that its really a competition
Even if they complied the pieces of shit extremists will just attack something else. It's not like if they agree to not draw someone everything is cool. And it isn't provocation, it's them doing what they always do without bowing to hate and evil.
DevelopmentArrested
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You need to grow up, your religion isnt sacred sorry
Phat Michael
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Why is it suspicious? It's his view point and he is entitled to it. It may not be the majority view point on this forum but so what?
How is this supposed to be a discussion forum when only one viewpoint is allowed and the others are accused of being "shit posts" or "suspicious"?
You're still partially assigning blame toward the newspaper by using terms like "provocation."
I don't care if the newspaper publishes the most explicit, realistic sexual depiction of Muhammad possible. Violence in response to speech is never justifiable.
The only incorrect (although understandable) response would be for them to back down.
LegendofLex
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Oh, no, you're definitely right.
But defending someone's right to do something does not obligate one to defend their choice to do something. Just because I think they have a right to print such cartoons doesn't mean I can't think it's an absolutely petty move that isn't going to improve the already tense situation.
What happens when the rest of the Hebdo staff is killed by fanatical muslims?
Are they not just acting like the kid that sticks his dick in a beehive, gets stung, and then tries it again the next day?
The CH crew is probably somewhat blinded by their emotions from last week and looking to lash out the only way they can, but IMO just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD.
Are they not just acting like the kid that sticks his dick in a beehive, gets stung, and then tries it again the next day?
The CH crew is probably somewhat blinded by their emotions from last week and looking to lash out the only way they can, but IMO just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD.
Phat Michael
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No I'm not blaming anyone so don't tell me what I'm trying to say. I actually wrote exactly who's fault it is and it's the people who attack others.
Provocation? So people that are violent and barbaric should have their feelings considered?
If they don't they'll be viewed as bowing to terrorists. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. While i defend freedom of speech, if you look back at the cartoons they've published in the past I don't see anything clever or satirical about them, they just come off as racist, xenophobic and compeletely incensitive.
Phat Michael
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Where did I say that?
Actually, it's the opposite. They have whole and unwavering moral principles, the very definition of integrity. Having no integrity here would be immediately flip-flopping on their idea of free speech and changing their opinion based on fear or threats of violence.
First, The gunmen insulted Islam far worse than any newspaper ever could. Second, Charlie Hebdo carrying on in the face of violence demonstrates a great deal of integrity. Changing your behavior to please others is the opposite of integrity.
gutter_trash
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I'm all for Freedom of Speech but I also have my own set of tastes.
I like funny cartoons, I like to LOL. Charlie Hebdo tackled things related to French society yeah but their cartoons do not make my laugh out loud nor chuckle.
Some are better than others, some are in poor taste.
Their quality of cartoons remind me how I used to draw in High School. (I draw yes), I loved to make fun of policical figures of the time and make fun of my class mates.
But in comedy, there are methods of delivery that make you funny. There are comedians that are funny, there comedians that are not.
I love a good satirical cartoon, but in terms of quality and humor: I don't find most of Charlie Hebdo cartoons to tickle my funny bone or a chuckle. Not sophisticated enough.
i know it's the FAD of the week to pretend to like those cartoons, but in reality, do you find them funny?
I like funny cartoons, I like to LOL. Charlie Hebdo tackled things related to French society yeah but their cartoons do not make my laugh out loud nor chuckle.
Some are better than others, some are in poor taste.
Their quality of cartoons remind me how I used to draw in High School. (I draw yes), I loved to make fun of policical figures of the time and make fun of my class mates.
But in comedy, there are methods of delivery that make you funny. There are comedians that are funny, there comedians that are not.
I love a good satirical cartoon, but in terms of quality and humor: I don't find most of Charlie Hebdo cartoons to tickle my funny bone or a chuckle. Not sophisticated enough.
i know it's the FAD of the week to pretend to like those cartoons, but in reality, do you find them funny?
But that message will never get across.
Alx
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So you think they should avoid doing it for fear of being attacked again by terrorists ? Four million people marched yesterday to send the message "we're not afraid, and we won't get censored by violence". Wasn't it clear enough ?
I don't. I do like what Cabu or Wolinski did outside of CH, but the magazine itself aims at poor taste and easy offense, and succeeds at it. I even thought their special Muhammad edition was childish and asshole-ish ("don't like Danish Muhammad caricatures ? Here's an edition full of ours !").
It doesn't change my opinion they should have the right to do that.
Moff
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so they should have learned their lesson, learned that it was their own fault that they were stung and never insult muslims again?
luckily, that is not how the world - and CH - sees this event.
The Purple Pill
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I'm really curious to see what the world will be thinking of Charlie Hebdo once people get their hands on their first copy. It will probably be ugly, and I expect many "did I really associate with THAT ?".
If you understand the concepts of Freedom of Speech/Expression, you will understand other people will say stuff that may not be in your interest or to your liking.
In Denmark, we have the very similar "Og det var Danmark", that pretty much takes a dump on anything.
These are mild ones, they are often with nudity and very dark humour.
Bird flu.
Going to the vet...
So if I'm reading that correctly, any subscriptions would possibly be too late at this point to get this upcoming issue of Charlie Hebdo?
In a sense... yes?
Why don't you go make a cartoon about the cartels in the same vein as CH, and tell them where you work at?
I mean, after all, you shouldn't have to consider their feelings. Should be cool, right?
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