Spider-Man 3 is better than Spider-Man 2 - Double Toasted Highlight
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I personally think Spider-Man 2 is a bit overrated in this day and age and Spider-Man 3 is underrated. Spidey 2 is definitely the best out of the five Spiderman films thus far though (not counting Homecoming since it has yet to release here).
When Spider-Man 2 came out it was on a unique level of superhero films, but nowadays there are plenty of films that in my opinion beat it. I agree with some of his points, though I could nitpick about the plot of most superhero films due to their nature. But some of my own reasons are that I don't think Maquire is a very charismatic lead, nor is Dunst, and I think their chemistry is merely o.k. And Spider-Man himself is a bit lame at times. Still a damn good film, however, don't get me wrong.
When Spider-Man 2 came out it was on a unique level of superhero films, but nowadays there are plenty of films that in my opinion beat it. I agree with some of his points, though I could nitpick about the plot of most superhero films due to their nature. But some of my own reasons are that I don't think Maquire is a very charismatic lead, nor is Dunst, and I think their chemistry is merely o.k. And Spider-Man himself is a bit lame at times. Still a damn good film, however, don't get me wrong.
miller.skippins
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Of course. Also Mortal Kombat annihilation is better than Mortal Kombat
MisterHero
Super Member
It helps to make better films when you have prototypes like Donner's Superman and Raimi's Spider-Man highlighting what works and what doesn't.
They might not be perfect but they were first.
LastGamer84
Member
Personally I can't stand either one these days. Both are cringe-worthy in so many ways.
Davey Cakes
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It's not part of Double Toasted's actual movie review segment (which is called "The Movie Review Extravaganza"), rather, it's just a snippet from some other full-length podcast episode.
You can't get a much better sense of their review format but checking out their Youtube playlist for movie reviews.
Curt Baboon
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You and I will be on the right side of history.
Hero of Time
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I don't think SM3 is better than SM2, but he actually made some good points.
Funny that a nitpick Martin and I have in common is that point he made about Spiderman punching Doc Ock in the face and not killing him/knocking him out, I remember after seeing the movie in theaters asking my big bro how Doc Ock was able to take Spidermans punches, he didn't have a good answer for me lol.
Funny that a nitpick Martin and I have in common is that point he made about Spiderman punching Doc Ock in the face and not killing him/knocking him out, I remember after seeing the movie in theaters asking my big bro how Doc Ock was able to take Spidermans punches, he didn't have a good answer for me lol.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
I seriously think the butler scene in Spider-Man 3 is the worst scene in any movie. Everything about it was fucking terrible.
Spidey pulls his punches!
TDK's third act is horrendous and holds it back from being a classic.
TDK's third act is actually home to several of the best scenes in the trilogy.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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The radiation from the portable sun changed his physiology and gave him superhuman durability.
/nerdanalysis
Kaiser Swayze
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They put a lot of effort into putting a show together about being wrong about movies.
broncobuster
Banned
Because the arms have artificial intelligence, as shown in the hospital scene when Otto is passed out.
Discotheque
Banned
No doubt. Still entertaining though.
He's talking about Octavius being a regular person and being able to take punches to the head from Spider-Man, not the AI of the arms.
More_Badass
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Isn't that usually a weakness in the comics? That Ock can be taken out pretty easily if Spidey can get past the arms and land a solid blow?
Spider-Man's powers were coming and going the whole movie. Probably didn't have his full strength back when he was fighting Doc Ock.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I gotta say Martin is poking all the right holes in Doc Ock's portrayal. While I like it overall for this film, it really is part of a trend where every villain suddenly has to be relatable and "turn evil" and that is the extent of their depth and nuance to their backstory. Though, I think Sandman is even moreso a worse example of how they have to bend over backwards to make a victim of circumstance rather than someone who made evil decisions himself.
I also agree with his take about the good stuff in 3 and which is why I came out of the theater still liking it and not turned off by emo Peter.
In retrospect, I still think 2 is the better film than 3, but I'm in the camp that the high points of 3 are better than many give it credit for. The conclusion of Harry and Peter's arc as friends was reason enough for the film to exist and the Sandman transformation is still a great scene in terms of animation. 3 wasn't really good though.
I also agree with his take about the good stuff in 3 and which is why I came out of the theater still liking it and not turned off by emo Peter.
In retrospect, I still think 2 is the better film than 3, but I'm in the camp that the high points of 3 are better than many give it credit for. The conclusion of Harry and Peter's arc as friends was reason enough for the film to exist and the Sandman transformation is still a great scene in terms of animation. 3 wasn't really good though.
Hero of Time
Member
A much better explanation than my brothers "Shit man I don't know" 13 years ago.
But alas, it is not the truth!
I'm now laughing at the thought of a passed out Doc Ock fighting Spiderman and being dragged around all over the city by his arms.
Exactly! and like what Martin said, even if he was pulling his punches to not kill him, he could have still knocked him out or broke a rib at least or something.
She does get shafted character-wise pretty hard for the sake of propping up Peter's personal conflict.
But the points about Peter being a bumbling buffoon who can barely function when not Spiderman are on point. I know the "Parker luck" and all that, but he is portrayed as a moron in the series, 2 especially, and MJ being pretty cold is supposed to endear him I guess.
kunonabi
Member
I didnt think they could top the stupidity of peter firing webs in school but boy did they show me.
broncobuster
Banned
It's irrelevant because they're linked. They even tell you earlier about how the inhibitor chip prevents the AI from affecting Otto. When the chip is gone, if Otto is knocked out, the AI can control him. Like, there's an explanation if people want to get pedantic about it.
FallingEdge
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He is right. 2 is trash and has always been trash. 3 is a much better movie.
Inferno313
Banned
Nothing in any of these three movies is as bad as Andrew Garfield accidentally pulling some lady's tits out because his hands are too sticky.
I'd love it if MCU redoes that scene with a 15 year old Mile Morales and everyone on the train treats him like a grown ass man.
That isn't even the dumbest thing in that movie, in my opinion. The finale of Spider-Man 1 turns the death of Gwen Stacy situation into an "everyone lives and is happy" moment
I dunno, Mary Jane going along with Harry's crazy "break up with Peter or I'll kill you" shit is pretty fucking bad. Hey MJ, why don't you just tell your boyfriend who is the goddamn Amazing Spider-Man that Harry is actually crazy as fuck and hiding a hundred yards away and probably can't actually hear you talking?
Spider-Man 3 runs into the issue where the characters stop thinking like normal human beings in order to produce some artificial drama/tension. Dark Knight actually does the same shit.
I never got the impression Parker was dumb for delivering pizza, doing it late, or missing classes, etc. it was more that he didn't have a proper excuse for where he had been spending his time so he has to play dumb. It's a helpless "what choice do I have?" when Harry is slapping him in the face. Reminds me of Clark Kent being a clutz to save face.
Suffice to say, I don't agree with this guy's take on S-M2 lol
Suffice to say, I don't agree with this guy's take on S-M2 lol
To be fair Doc Ock took a 50lb bag of gold coins to the head and kept moving so maybe he just has a thick skull.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You're missing the point. He's asking how a normal human being like Otto can take a Spider punch to the face and not straight up die.
But the answer is "it's a movie"
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Well, what a shitty discussion. Rather than countering with was what so good about Spider-Man 2, it was just taken.
The movie makes it clear that the AI can impose its own will onto Otto but it never establishes that the AI can straight up take over for Otto's brain entirely. It doesn't explain why Doc Ock can take a right hook from Spider-Man right in the face and not immediately turn into a pile of Otto paste. Basically, Otto gets an unexplained metahuman boost.
kunonabi
Member
The faux gwen thing was more spineless than anything else but yeah it was also pretty bad.
Wasn't really meant to be a discussion though. Martin liking SM3 over SM2 has been a running joke for 10 years and this video gives Martin's minority POV some context for new listeners.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I would agree with you, but Spider-Man 2 has that train sequence...