Spider-Man 3 is better than Spider-Man 2 - Double Toasted Highlight
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The train sequence is great but the "everyone seeing Spidey unmasked" shit bugs me. Spidey 1 does have that brutal as fuck final battle though
Frozenprince
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Clickbait is "YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT ONE CRITIC SAYS ABOUT SPIDER MAN 2". To make you curious about it and click.
This just straight up tells you what the video is about.
This just straight up tells you what the video is about.
That doesn't begin to make sense for the train scene, though.
As nitpicky as Martin seems, they're not bad points to bring up.
Maybe your memory is just bad.
Pai Pai Master
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How do you forget that fucking hospital scene
I always thought Spiderman 2 was nowhere as good as the reception and Spiderman 3 wasn't near as bad as its reception, but even I never thought 3 was actually better.
A lot of fun to see Martin complain about nearly every scene in 2 though. He really, really doesn't like that movie. When I've heard it brought up I just assumed he loved Spiderman 3 so much that he just thought it was better, not so much that he thought 2 was poor.
A lot of fun to see Martin complain about nearly every scene in 2 though. He really, really doesn't like that movie. When I've heard it brought up I just assumed he loved Spiderman 3 so much that he just thought it was better, not so much that he thought 2 was poor.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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It's an underrated movie, tbh. It's a little goofier, at times, in the vein of the old Batman show or the 70s Spiderman cartoon, but the goofy stuff is largely intentionally funny, the action intense, all three villains memorable, and the ending actually pretty touching and understated.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I haven't seen SM3 since opening night in theaters, so I don't have much of an opinion. But, the point doesn't always matter. If someone thinks something is lame, saying "but it's lame on purpose!" doesn't really change anything.
Nah.
Nope.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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miller.skippins
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What's Next?...next you will be telling me that Godfather Part 3 is better than Godfather Part 2?
Razgriz-Specter
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Not sure about that but he was definitely right about 1 being the best.
Benzychenz
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I've gotta agree.
Because I've never seen SM2 yet I've seen SM3 three or four times.
Benzychenz
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Should I rewatch SM1 before my first viewing of SM2?
Triggerhappytel
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Some of his Spider-Man 2 criticisms are legit - I always wondered why Doc Ock could take a punch from Spidey (something like a throwaway line about the spine containing adrenaline or strength enhancer capsules to help Octavius with the physical strain of controlling the arms), although never considered that he should have just stole what he needed as opposed to stealing to money to buy it. I don't really agree with much else that he said though, and Spider-Man 3 is a considerably worse film than 2 in just about every way.
This is a rabbit hole comic book fans shouldn't go down into.
I felt like most of the criticism was either directed at Raimi's handling of tone (which is present in all of his movies, and it's why i love them) or somewhat nitpicking the minor logical fallacies that are sort of baked into a superhero movie, as well as "it's not like comicbook Peter Parker" which is a hollow critique, since he doesn't have to be.
For example procuring the money instead of the parts, may simply be because it's easier to just get the one currency to get ALL the stuff, instead of having to search around (assuming he even knows where that stuff is kept) piece by piece.
But saying that a movie is terrible, mostly because of smaller logical inconsistencies, always strikes me as weaksauce, CinemaSins level bullshit.
I like Spiderman 3 too though, so no skin off my back.
Also, i still like Martin the best out of the Double Toasted folks, even though he doesn't like Casino Royale.
Yes.
Why not, sure!
LegendofDragoonLives
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Terrible POV from Martin. SP2 is the second best cbm, sp3 is not even in the top 20.
HeartlessNobody213
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As someone who is watching the previous films before Homecoming, I'm starting to think that besides the action, the first Spidey might be the overall best out of the Raimi trilogy.
I think Spidey 2 isn't as good as people say it is and Spidey 3 isn't as bad as people say it is.
I think Spidey 2 isn't as good as people say it is and Spidey 3 isn't as bad as people say it is.
More_Badass
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Death by a thousand cuts is totally a thing. If you're watching something, and the logical inconsistencies feel jarring and hurt your enjoyment of the movie, that's a totally valid reason to criticize
That's a big difference from CinemaSins style
Henry Jones Jr
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The last time I watched SM3 I actually really enjoyed it until the final third. The movie get more hate than it deserves.
This dude actually made some solid points. I was never big on SM2, but I can't in good conscience say that SM3 is better. That movie is just messy. I like SM1 the best, although overall I don't really have a strong opinion for the Samraimiman trilogy these days.
Nah bruh.
Nah.
I agree, it's enjoyable enough until Venom hits the scene.
Nah bruh.
Nah.
I agree, it's enjoyable enough until Venom hits the scene.
It seems like everyone blames Sony for Spider-Man 3's issues because they pushed to get Venom in the movie. But honestly I think a lot of the problems of Spider-Man 3 lay on what seems to be Sam Raimi's side of things, or at least were lingering carryovers from Raimi storylines introduced in the previous two movies.
1) MJ is a complete bitch this entire movie. She has the audacity to compare her failing stage career to the troubles Peter faces saving the fucking city as Spider-Man and gets pissed when Peter tries to give her any kind of perspective.
2) Everything about Harry Osborne's Tony Hawk's Pro Goblin arc was pretty stupid. You would have thought Harry would have realized that maybe Spider-Man was innocent after realizing that Spidey was his best friend and that his father was a fucking mass murderer who tried to kill his two best friends.
3) Butler waits until the most cinematically cliche time to inform Harry that, yes, your daddy was fucking cray and Peter didn't kill him.
4) Giving Sandman a sympathetic villain angle felt like it was trying a little too hard to evoke memories of the sympathetic angle they gave Doc Ock in the previous movie.
5) Sandman's origin. Why is a big scientific test surrounded by one easy-to-get-through chainlink fence? Also, why doesn't anyone stop the test when they realize something is in it?! Or that the cops are running towards it?
6) Retconning Sandman into Uncle Ben's death.
7) Instead of just telling Peter that Harry is crazy and threatened to killer her, she just goes along with Harry's plan even though there's literally zero benefit to it.
Honestly when I step back and look at all of the issues Spider-Man 3 has as whole, the black suit / Venom plot feels like it's the least of the movie's problems. It's also why I wasn't excited about Raimi's original Spider-Man 4
1) MJ is a complete bitch this entire movie. She has the audacity to compare her failing stage career to the troubles Peter faces saving the fucking city as Spider-Man and gets pissed when Peter tries to give her any kind of perspective.
2) Everything about Harry Osborne's Tony Hawk's Pro Goblin arc was pretty stupid. You would have thought Harry would have realized that maybe Spider-Man was innocent after realizing that Spidey was his best friend and that his father was a fucking mass murderer who tried to kill his two best friends.
3) Butler waits until the most cinematically cliche time to inform Harry that, yes, your daddy was fucking cray and Peter didn't kill him.
4) Giving Sandman a sympathetic villain angle felt like it was trying a little too hard to evoke memories of the sympathetic angle they gave Doc Ock in the previous movie.
5) Sandman's origin. Why is a big scientific test surrounded by one easy-to-get-through chainlink fence? Also, why doesn't anyone stop the test when they realize something is in it?! Or that the cops are running towards it?
6) Retconning Sandman into Uncle Ben's death.
7) Instead of just telling Peter that Harry is crazy and threatened to killer her, she just goes along with Harry's plan even though there's literally zero benefit to it.
Honestly when I step back and look at all of the issues Spider-Man 3 has as whole, the black suit / Venom plot feels like it's the least of the movie's problems. It's also why I wasn't excited about Raimi's original Spider-Man 4
SM3 is a misfire on so many other levels than Venom. Nearly every conflict is contrived. Peter kissing Gwen like that is incredibly out of character (and that actually at least would have been one of the shitter things he could have done with the symbiote, so wasted opportunity) and is the basis for most of the relationship drama. Harry's "amnesia" stuff. Harry's entire arc being resolved in 10 seconds by the butler. The Uncle Ben retcon.
And yeah, the dancing is supposed to show Peter is corny and lame, but intention doesn't equate to good. That's like the defenses of the prequel's dialog and acting as being in the vein of the serials George Lucas likes. Might be true. Still bad.
And yeah, the dancing is supposed to show Peter is corny and lame, but intention doesn't equate to good. That's like the defenses of the prequel's dialog and acting as being in the vein of the serials George Lucas likes. Might be true. Still bad.
kunonabi
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Yeah, SM3 is terrible because it takes all the worst aspects of Raimi's approach and ramps them up to 11. Sony's meddling was never the primary reason for it being it awful.
But it's more like a couple of cuts, not thousand, and not even that deep.
Meanwhile, the core aspect of the movie, especially in relation to SM1's arc, works well.
Glass Rebel
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I actually like Spider-Man 2 and (mostly) dislike Spider-Man 3 but this once again confirms that out of the main three DT guys, Martin's opinions are most in line with mine. Also this was hilarious.
I agree. I really liked Topher as a foil for Peter, and his motivations for hating Peter mixed with the Symbiote's motivations for hating Peter were solid. They could have easily had their own movie.Venom being relegated to a third act villain was a mistake in its own right too. I mean, this clip should have been the stinger that lead to Spider-Man 4
Spider-Man 3 without him still wouldn't be great but I would have been there day one for the sequel.
I would have been there day one for the sequel anyway.
Cabbagehead
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Martin is a crazy person.
I sort of agree. Stripped of my nostalgia and while appreciating how revolutionary they were at the time, I think they're... just not as great as I think 1 and 2 are generally held up as.
I wouldn't put Spiderman 3 above 2, but I also think that 3 is the kind of weak movie that can actually be salvaged by editing, rather than being fundamentally terrible.
CinemaSins doesn't even use the sins as any benchmark of quality, aside from the fact that bad movies tend to have more because they go longer on them. They will point out flaws with movies they say from the get-go they absolutely love.
He's totally right. SM2 is a stupid, cheesy movie.
It's just... SM3 is an even stupider, more convoluted movie with lots of plot threads that go nowhere real.
SM3 isn't better, so he's definitely wrong.
Fancyarcher
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SM3 is an entertaining entertaining mess and far more interesting then many superhero films, and this video was fun to watch, but nope, I don't agree.