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[SPOILER THREAD] X-Men: Apocalypse

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Saw this tonight, and honestly I was bored to death and actually looked at the time to see how much longer they were going to drag this out. As far as comic book movies this year, this is even further down the list than BvS. At least the first hour or so of that I found interesting.

Never been the biggest X-Men fan, but have always been able to find some enjoyment in the movies, not here.
 
I thought the first half of the movie was about as interesting as a brown paper bag and Apocalypse himself had an equal amount of character. The entire setup and buildup was badly done.

Once Singer got beyond that apparently pesky annoyance called "plot" and just started going for the gratuitous nerdgasms, the final hour was a whole lot of fun. The movie leaves you with a good taste in your mouth which may fool some into forgetting how much of the movie sucked.
I'd probably like this movie a whole lot more if the first half were cut in half itself. That wouldn't help Apocalypse to be more than a cardboard cutout, though.

In the case of DOFP I liked the longer cut more. In this case I wish there were a shorter cut.
In Singer's defense, he did try to warn me. "The third in a trilogy is always the worst."
yes I know

This is pretty much how I felt. Not a very good movie but at least we got to see Jean be awesome so I guess that's nice. And pre-Horseman Storm was cool, I would've loved to see more of her.

I just can't get invested in these end of the world scenarios, I hope they scale down for future X-Men films instead of raising the stakes even higher as usual.
 
Saw it again today - I actually think I like it less now. For some additional context, I think DOFP is a film on par with Winter Soldier, if not better.

What really works in FC and DOFP is the Xavier-Magneto relationship - its the centerpiece of those films and its executed with great success there. Here, not so much - they're playing on the same beats without really doing anything interesting with it. Magneto would not go into hiding, falling in love with a human woman, and give up on all of his mutant supremacy goals after the end of DOFP. It's akin to TDKR where it doesn't really make sense for Bruce to become a recluse after TDK, aside from giving the movie a contrived excuse to bring them out of hiding. Magneto found out he was right in DOFP and has no knowledge that the future is safe from sentinels - I don't find it believable that he would give up on his crusade and lead a quiet life. His reaction to his family's death is a powerful scene, but it feels forced and mechanical for the plot so it took away a lot of the impact. His ending redemption arc is incredibly sudden and the movie fails to give him a great motivation to do so. He just remembers Charles and suddenly he'll turn on all of his motivations? They didn't even have Quicksilver tell him that he's his father - which would have made his family arc go full circle and actually give him a reason to fight Apocalypse. Charles wanting him to stay at the school seems uncharacteristic for both of these characters - they could have remained friends but Charles should know what Erik is all about. Erik isn't suddenly going to embrace Charles' ideals although they're friends - that was the entire crux of FC and the Magneto character arc wasn't enough to make this work.

There is no point for Apocalypse to even be part of his movie. On the surface level, he is the focus of it - he's the main villain and his actions set up the main conflict - but the movie isn't even really about him - it's about closing the chapter on Erik-Charles-Raven. He barely does anything of notice - he augments a few mutant's powers and he builds a pyramid, that's it. His entire final plan hinges on Magneto who could have just done everything without him. They awaken him in the most unimaginative way - Moira just opens the cave and he wakes up? Really? They should have had some connection with DOFP where mutants were set to gain prominence or something and he wakes up because of that. They don't even call him Apocalypse IIRC.

One reviewer said it best in their review - X-Men Apocalypse has some good concept ideas but Singer chooses to execute on all of them in the most unimaginative, boring ways.
 
Yeah, I thought it was OK but its one of those movies where its fun to watch but once you start to reflect on it and you think of how much better things should/could have been the impression starts to sour. I'm also so god damn sick of Magneto and the same tired ass storyline in every movie.
 
I'm not sick of Magneto at all yet - in fact I think he's the best part of X-Men. However, they have had him in literally 6 movies now - they should give him a break for a movie or two until someone else takes over for Singer so we can have something more interesting happen to him now. He doesn't need to be in a storyline with Sinister in it. The next movie should be Scott/Jean centric. I really don't have an idea what they're planning to do with Sinister though - most of his MO consists of him trying to Starscream Apocalypse and they can't do that anymore unless they make Sinister a being that existed in ancient Egypt.

I do think a Magneto standalone would be great in the right hands though, something akin to a mutant Punisher\. However, they've amped up his powers to such a degree that a villain in that would likely have to be even larger in scale, he'd take out any Punifier/human forces like they were nothing. They've made a good move in previous movies to nerf most of the characters to a point where their powers are somewhat believable but now it wouldn't make sense for him to not just rain down satellites onto any enemy he has.

Lots of my problems with X-Men Apocalypse boils down to it being a story around Apocalypse but Apocalypse has no business being in the story they crafted. Also Apocalypse is and always will be a horrible character - years of comic books haven't even succeeded at making him anything more than a cartoon Power Ranger villain.

If they are going to keep Singer, he needs to hire an action choreographer. It's painfully clear he has no business directing combat whatsoever. lHe's avoided it for the most part in the past 3 films and X-Men Apocalypse just showed he doesn't have a handle on how to handle superpower battles. The entire cast teaming up against Apocalypse should have been something special, but it ended up being a DBZ rip off where the characters are just shooting things at him while he does nothing for 10 minutes. At least make him turn big or shoot something back. Additionally, Kinberg is so hit or miss as a writer, they need someone more consistent. I'm convinced the writing for DOFP was only as good as it was because Vaughn co-wrote it.
 
Saw this last weekend.

Still... I can't believe they just showed Apocalypse recruiting 4 of the very first-mutants he meets ... and then gets his ass handed to him.

There's nothing wrong with Oscar Isaac's performance though .. I just wished they'd make him bigger. More menacing. For someone this powerfull he sure got served like a little bitch. Shame really. Kinda hoped they'd keep the deeper, modulated voice.

I do like the way this is going though. Hoped that, thanks to the events of DoFP ... Apocalpyse would've awakend instead of this.

It's a solid 6 ... but DoFP beats this one by a mile.
 
Just saw it and thought it was great, flaws and all. I especially liked how they treated wolverine like a horror movie monster, some unstoppable killing force.

Never will get the desire for more jubilee in these movies, they're already packed as it is.
 
I'm not sick of Magneto at all yet - in fact I think he's the best part of X-Men. However, they have had him in literally 6 movies now - they should give him a break for a movie or two until someone else takes over for Singer so we can have something more interesting happen to him now. He doesn't need to be in a storyline with Sinister in it. The next movie should be Scott/Jean centric. I really don't have an idea what they're planning to do with Sinister though - most of his MO consists of him trying to Starscream Apocalypse and they can't do that anymore unless they make Sinister a being that existed in ancient Egypt.

I do think a Magneto standalone would be great in the right hands though, something akin to a mutant Punisher\. However, they've amped up his powers to such a degree that a villain in that would likely have to be even larger in scale, he'd take out any Punifier/human forces like they were nothing. They've made a good move in previous movies to nerf most of the characters to a point where their powers are somewhat believable but now it wouldn't make sense for him to not just rain down satellites onto any enemy he has.

Lots of my problems with X-Men Apocalypse boils down to it being a story around Apocalypse but Apocalypse has no business being in the story they crafted. Also Apocalypse is and always will be a horrible character - years of comic books haven't even succeeded at making him anything more than a cartoon Power Ranger villain.

If they are going to keep Singer, he needs to hire an action choreographer. It's painfully clear he has no business directing combat whatsoever. lHe's avoided it for the most part in the past 3 films and X-Men Apocalypse just showed he doesn't have a handle on how to handle superpower battles. The entire cast teaming up against Apocalypse should have been something special, but it ended up being a DBZ rip off where the characters are just shooting things at him while he does nothing for 10 minutes. At least make him turn big or shoot something back. Additionally, Kinberg is so hit or miss as a writer, they need someone more consistent. I'm convinced the writing for DOFP was only as good as it was because Vaughn co-wrote it.

I actually agree that Magneto is the best part of these movies. However, thats because everyone else is flat since he gets so much attention. You're right that Apocalypse had no business in this movie since they really just wanted to tell another story where everyone begs and pleads with Magneto to do the right thing.
 
Saw this last weekend.

Still... I can't believe they just showed Apocalypse recruiting 4 of the very first-mutants he meets ... and then gets his ass handed to him.

There's nothing wrong with Oscar Isaac's performance though .. I just wished they'd make him bigger. More menacing. For someone this powerfull he sure got served like a little bitch. Shame really. Kinda hoped they'd keep the deeper, modulated voice.

I do like the way this is going though. Hoped that, thanks to the events of DoFP ... Apocalpyse would've awakend instead of this.

It's a solid 6 ... but DoFP beats this one by a mile.

I agree that two of the mutants he finds are lacking compared to Storm and especially Magento but to his credit, he found Psylocke who claimed she knew where to find the most powerful. So it's kinda her fault for misleading Apocalypse. Then again, is there any reason why he uses four horseman? Just because? Could he change his mind and say "hey, Charles is powerful, let's try and recruit him because obv Angel sucks."? Or add a fifth? Plus, having access to Charles when he was tapped into Cerebro meant he could find any mutant on Earth whom had any kind of ability he needed. A huge wasted opportunity.
 
#NotMyApocalypse... Nothing against Oscar, he is a fine actor but I got childhood nostalgia goggles on from the X-Men cartoon Apocalypse and comics.

I still to this day have that line from Apocalypse in the X-Men cartoon when they first fight him... "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken!"
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Super annoyed that it was mystique giving the final speech as we are introduced to the Xmen at the end.

Done with this character. done!!!

Still was hyped for it tho mostly because of that final shot
 
#NotMyApocalypse... Nothing against Oscar, he is a fine actor but I got childhood nostalgia goggles on from the X-Men cartoon Apocalypse and comics.

I still to this day have that line from Apocalypse in the X-Men cartoon when they first fight him... "I am the rocks of the eternal shore, crash against me and be broken!"
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It's ironic how much better the cartoon's Apocalypse is in every way including dialogue:

To Magneto and Mystique:
"Spare me your petty judgments! They spring from a brain too meager to comprehend my reality! Now taste the power of Apocalypse!"
 
Sitting the theatre right now as the credits roll on this. It was pretty enjoyable other than apocalypse being lame. Jean was amazing, Sansa should take the mantle from JLaw as the person to get most airtime in the upcoming movies.

Now to see the end credit scene...
Does Logan do anything besides escape?

Nope.
 
Thought that was pretty good, liked it almost as much as civil war.

Apocalypse was a wasted villian, but i liked the xmen cast, we finally get a likable cyclops.
I actually liked mistique for once! Turning her into a hero is a neat spin on the alternate timeline.
 
I went into the movie expecting another BvS levels of failure but it was actually thoroughly enjoyable.

The thing that really holds these movies together is the human emotion and drama. McAvoy and Fassbender had some very emotional scenes. I also really liked the new Cyclops and Jean.

Just a bit of humor and quips to keep the movie entertaining but it's obviously not without its flaws and issues which isn't good enough when superhero movie competition is so fierce.
 
I'll admit I wasn't the biggest fan of the Nightcrawler moment at the end when Charles had woken up. Felt a bit out of place to have a comedic moment like that so suddenly during a serious moment between Charles and Moira.
 
I would've loved to see something Avengers-esque where they all basically team up within a general area and fuck shit up.

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Might only really work if they had disposable goons to fight.
 
i thought it was a fine movie, but a lot of moments were ruined by the comedy and they invoked a little bit too much of X3 for me to be comfortable.

there were some realllllllllly cheesy moments, like when Apocalypse and Angel were looking at each other for 15 seconds with metallica playing in the back.

Quicksilver doing his thing at the manor went on way too long, even if it was entertaining throughout. like, we get it, he saves everyone.


a few emotional moments seemed to be drawn back for whatever reason after being set up.


'YOU'RE GONNA NEED A BIGGER HOUSEEEEEEEE"
 
I liked it. It's sooooo sloppy but some of the concepts and scenes are really cool.

Singer blows at action tho, I'm sorry. It's amazing you can have such a cast of diverse characters with wildly different powersets but can't find a interesting way to mix them or have them bounce off eachother. Talking about his team dynamics, his individual character bits like Quicksilver or Wolverine where still cool.

Only the final beatdown against Apocalypse kind of approached that and even then the only neat thing was it took place on two planes and that it was Jean who owned him. Maybe the DOFP sentinel fights was the closest he can get to the X men as a actual team.
 
I'll admit I wasn't the biggest fan of the Nightcrawler moment at the end when Charles had woken up. Felt a bit out of place to have a comedic moment like that so suddenly during a serious moment between Charles and Moira.

I feel like the movie has a few moments like that throughout, like the two Quicksilver standout sequences, and when Apocalypse and crew show up right as Magneto is about to have his revenge only to respond with the f-bomb.

Not that I dislike any of that, though. Those are probably my favorite moments in the film and work much better than the unintentional hilarity of Wolverine just randomly turning around and running in the woods as the audience laughs.
'YOU'RE GONNA NEED A BIGGER HOUSEEEEEEEE"

I loved this so much.
 
"IS THIS WHAT I AM!? IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME?!"

that was truly terrible.

so was,

"You're in my house now!"

when Apocalypse and crew show up right as Magneto is about to have his revenge only to respond with the f-bomb.

That serious nature of the scene and the delivery of the line (who the fuck are you?) added to the fact that they were all dressed like absolute clowns made it hilarious.
 
That serious nature of the scene and the delivery of the line (who the fuck are you?) added to the fact that they were all dressed like absolute clowns made it hilarious.

and then when they went auschwitz, and they're all cosplaying and Fassbender is in normal-ass clothing, that was hilarious too. just made them all look like big idiots
 
Great movie. No clue why its hated on so much or why the RT is so low. It's not that different from Days of Future Past and that had universal acclaim. Loved Quicksilver in this.

Hope Singer stays for the sequel or that the next director keeps the similar tone. Sets it apart from other Marvel movies.
 
"IS THIS WHAT I AM!? IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME?!"

that was truly terrible.

so was,

"You're in my house now!"



That serious nature of the scene and the delivery of the line (who the fuck are you?) added to the fact that they were all dressed like absolute clowns made it hilarious.

Yeah, I'm going to reiterate what others have said in that I'm truly tired of the "Magneto's redemption" angle. I would have preferred if Apocalypse brainwashed them because it very easily absolves him of the consequences of actions he never consciously committed. It ties up any issues with whether he can be trusted as this is now the third time he's betrayed everyone. It came off as a lazy attempt at drawing out motivation for something we've already seen him go through.

Maybe they avoided that because they wanted Apoc to come off as a reasonable mutant, willing to protect his own at the cost of humanity but that's essentially a copypasta of Magneto's playbook anyway. It's not like Apoc had any complex character motivations to begin with. Perhaps brainwashing them would have made him more sinister and fear-worthy.

I also didn't appreciate the "hey, remember when these things happened?" flashbacks. The Auschwitz retread of Apoc encouraging Magneto to reach deep within a la Charles and the satellite. It was all too much "been there, done that" territory with every beat.
 
That serious nature of the scene and the delivery of the line (who the fuck are you?) added to the fact that they were all dressed like absolute clowns made it hilarious.

and then when they went auschwitz, and they're all cosplaying and Fassbender is in normal-ass clothing, that was hilarious too. just made them all look like big idiots

Yes and yes.

I was sitting there in the theater during the Auschwitz scene and was like, "Are they allowed to even do that?" It's so silly and hamfisted, but it did bring out Apocalypse's best line (the one they just keep repeating in the trailers).

Like damn, I remember the first scene in X-Men but this is faaaaaaaaaaaar from that.

To add to Magneto's arc in the film, it starts off really well all the way up until Apocalypse arrives, funny enough. After Auschwitz his arc just withers the fuck out. He's brought back by almost nothing. It's more salt in the fucking wound considering they had a goldmine to dig between him and Quicksilver. Who's dumbass idea was it to just keep that shit lingering? Magneto realizing he has another fucking kid should've been what brought him back to his senses and emotional pit of despair.
 
IMO, the biggest problem with the movie was how under-served every character arc was. Like, most stories got three scenes - establishing the story, revisiting the story and concluding the story. Nothing had any weight because it wasn't given a chance to grow or develop.

Also, anyone else get Gohan vs Cell vibes from that ending? Bunch of weaklings blasting meaningless shit at the bad guy to weaken him while Phoenix comes in with the big Kamehameha?

Also, I hope there is no nineties X-Men film. At no point did I buy that Xavier or Magneto were 20 years older than they were in First Class. 30 years is pushing it hard.
 
I am not sure if this was posted here yet, but I noticed the official Deadpool movie twitter posted this on Apocalypse's opening day.


After letting the movie digest for a couple of days I am still not sure what to think. I really liked Cyclops and Jean in this movie.

I really wish the Weapon X stuff was not in there. They could have used that time to set up the Phoenix stuff a bit more with Professor X. Maybe establish that quasi-Astral Plane stuff for Jean to control her powers, but then have the Professor tell her to let go at the end.

If the felt they NEEDED the Weapon X stuff there, I think small changes could have been made to make it a bit less silly. I know they have Jackman in these movies to show his face, but that Weapon X headgear was out of a 70's B movie. I know the original design is silly too, but maybe have the thing be like the comic version then have him get shot in the face and have the Adamantium skull partially exposed then heal to show Jackman. Then he can just run around without the helmet.

The beginning stuff with Apocalypse was great. His original Horsemen were cool too. I thought we were going to get something really interesting with powers when we see stuff like the guy clapping the two guards into skeletons like a Mortal Kombat fatality. But that was kind of the peak for the action for me.

I am really unsure how I feel about Singer as an action director. X1 was trash, but maybe we can chalk that up to budgeting and Fox being stringy on an untested property. I remember liking X2. The opening Nightcrawler attack was great, the Mansion invasion as well. The Lady Deathstrike fight was much better than the Sabertooth fight from X1. Superman Returns had that amazing Airplane scene, but I really cannot recall much other than that. DOFP had that amazing scene in the future with Blink and the others. The Quicksilver set piece was amazing (but a character of that caliber kind of broke the plot).

Then we get to Apocalypse where outside of that opening and the Quicksilver set piece, nothing really stood out to me. The Nightcrawler/Angel cage fight was meh, same with their second encounter. Psylocke was thrown by Beast then made a whip. Storm blew a car over and shot two lighting bolts. The Weapon X fight started off with that awkward leap and weird framing. The end fight was a bit disappoint since it was Apocalypse walking forward getting blasted. It was like a comic book splash page that went on for 8 minutes.
 
I had some sort of biker dudes to my left and at least one of them cheered loudly as Auschwitz came on. And I don't think it was because of the First Class callback...
 
Anybody notice how Kinberg reusing the whole "Doesn't it frighten you that one day they will come for you?" dialogue from X-Men was completely out of place and served absolutely no purpose in this film except creating a pointless callback?


I had some sort of biker dudes to my left and at least one of them cheered loudly as Auschwitz came on. And I don't think it was because of the First Class callback...
Now Auschwitz is a First Class callback? Bro, it was in 2000's X-Men.
 
Anybody notice how Kinberg reusing the whole "Doesn't it frighten you that one day they will come for you?" dialogue from X-Men was completely out of place and served absolutely no purpose in this film except creating a pointless callback?

I would imagine everyone noticed that. also, is magneto on the run now or whatever?
 
Anybody notice how Kinberg reusing the whole "Doesn't it frighten you that one day they will come for you?" dialogue from X-Men was completely out of place and served absolutely no purpose in this film except creating a pointless callback?

Yes.

I wish they would boot him.
 
I had a great time in this movie. Extremely fun to watch and so far my favorite flick of the year.

Everyone already knew the new Quicksilver sequence was going to be good. But it surpassed my expectations.
 
I hated how Cyclops goes from oh shit my eyes are fucked what is this to no training lets blow shit up. Really pissed me off.

Archangel was a waste and seemed like he was just there.

The whole end act felt to rushed. No one had training we saw none of the heroes develop powers eg Cyclops who had just discovered them.

This film should have been two films with how throughout the film apoc is said to be some god. And just like everyone comes together as a team like magic in 5 seconds. Jean was the only one i could really take because she cant control her shit which we even had a scene in film for.

Also the quicksilver scene at mansion went on far to long and really annoyed me
 
I had a great time in this movie. Extremely fun to watch and so far my favorite flick of the year.

Everyone already knew the new Quicksilver sequence was going to be good. But it surpassed my expectations.
I thought it was kind of cheesy TBH. Song choice was GOAT tier, as was the initial Quicksilver intro but him actually saving people wasn't as visually interesting to me. Mostly seemed to consist of him whizzing past people and running them outside. I wanted to see him do more crazy wall running, or something. He was mostly a blur except when he wasn't. His speed must be even more absurd here than it was in DOFP tho.
 
The horseman thing is a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation.

On one hand, if they didn't include the horseman at all, then comic book nerds would complain until next week (they tend to do this with everything though). If the horsemen were just nameless mooks, then the fandom would complain about it being a missed opportunity for actual X-Men characters.

On the other hand, trying to have 4 additional fully fleshed out villains in a 2.5 hour movie where there are already 3-4 main characters and they're trying to develop 3 other new protagonists to eventually take their place is unreasonable. Civil War was able to accomplish this fine because they only had to introduce two new heroes and everyone else was already pre-established in other movies. I did expect more from Storm/Psylocke/Angel (ESPECIALLY Storm) but not much more given the constraints that the movie has.

I am a bit dumbfounded that they actually went through with having another Weapon X storyline for Wolverine. Mystique rescues him at the end of DOFP and he doesn't have the adamantium implanted in him yet - there's no explanation to how he ends up back at Stryker's hands? They had an opportunity to turn Wolverine into Death and have Apocalypse give him his metal claws back - fans would have probably loved to see a Cyclops vs Wolverine duel and it would have given Jackman's inclusion in this movie some actual substance rather than a 20 minute extended cameo that added nothing to the film.
 
I thought it was kind of cheesy TBH. Song choice was GOAT tier, as was the initial Quicksilver intro but him actually saving people wasn't as visually interesting to me. Mostly seemed to consist of him whizzing past people and running them outside. I wanted to see him do more crazy wall running, or something. He was mostly a blur except when he wasn't. His speed must be even more absurd here than it was in DOFP tho.

DOFP Quicksilver scene vs Apoc Quicksilver scene is a perfect illustration of less being more. DOFP was simply masterful in its execution of the character.

But I'm a liar if I said I didn't have a smile on my face for the whole time in this movie. Its like Fox read all the internet comments about how OP Quicksilver was and were like fuck it, lets ride this train and see where it goes. He is one of the most ridiculous characters put on film, and its beautiful.
 
I thought it was kind of cheesy TBH. Song choice was GOAT tier, as was the initial Quicksilver intro but him actually saving people wasn't as visually interesting to me. Mostly seemed to consist of him whizzing past people and running them outside. I wanted to see him do more crazy wall running, or something. He was mostly a blur except when he wasn't. His speed must be even more absurd here than it was in DOFP tho.

My issue is it is that it's tonally not in the right place. It's supposed to be a grim scene where the heroes should feel at their worst, and it brings a strange sense of levity that takes away all the drama of the mansion blowing up.
 
Just saw the movie and aaahh.. I loved First Class and DOFP but i didn't like that one that much.. It certainly had its good moments..

Personally i didn't like Magneto giving up mutant pride and being in Poland with a family (??)

I felt it was kind of a betrayal of his character. In DOFP despite Eric being "you and me pal (Charles) we're gonna change the future" he was Magneto through and through and him being a complete jackass during the conference scene was a great payoff !

In Apocalypse the whole family thing felt too.. plot-convenient i think because having a very proud mutant as Magneto pledging allegiance to Apocalypse was kinda strange from the get-go. Maybe him leaving his mutant past behind was done to mirror Charles' abandoning the mutant stuff in DOFP.

Apocalypse's recruitment method was also kinda dissappointing with his whole "stop being a free to play mutant go premium" feeling spontaneous a little bit.. Oscar Isaac's performance though was good, i felt he certainly did what he could with what he was given.

Some scenes were gold (Magneto tearing down Auschwitz, Wolverine's scene) others felt a little out of place (Quiksilver's slow-mo scene)..

All in all it was not great, but at least entertaining. For me personally the ranking goes :

First Class = DOFP >> Apocalypse

DOFP might actually be my favorite of the bunch because i liked Prof. X's arc in it, and how they showed that there is thin-line between having access to the human mind and being exposed to it.
 
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