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[SPOILERS] Dangan Ronpa 2 Spoiler Thread | Aloha, Despair!
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The beginning of the game made me hopeful the protagonist was going to be much more cynical than Hajime ended up being. He's really suspicious about a lot of things at the start of DR2 as well as the people around him. His doubtful nature and him saying stuff like "I doubt that" when Nagito would say that he felt they were kinship at the start made me think Hajime's "talent" would turn out to be the "Ultimate Despair" (which, I guess, is kind of what happened).
The hope shtick reached its peak at the end of DR1, which is why I think Nagito worked because of how it subverted the idea. Maybe another twist on that could work in a DR3, or some other character that works against what we're used to from the series.
Haha. So I'm not the only one that hated Hifumi.
I don't know of anyone who likes him. Tolerate maybe, but not like.
Hours Left
Member
I think enough time has passed that I can do my official post-DR2 character rankings now...
From best to worst...
Nekomaru (Shocker!)
Sonia
Chiaki
Ibuki
Gundham
Mikan
Mahiru
Peko
Hajime
Akane
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"Byakuya"
Fuyuhiko
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Kazuichi
Teruteru
Nagito
Hiyoko
Everyone above the first line is awesome, everyone above the second line is alright, everyone below the second line is trash. Pretty much how I expected it to turn out, though I liked Akane and Fuyuhiko more than I thought I would.
From best to worst...
Nekomaru (Shocker!)
Sonia
Chiaki
Ibuki
Gundham
Mikan
Mahiru
Peko
Hajime
Akane
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"Byakuya"
Fuyuhiko
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Kazuichi
Teruteru
Nagito
Hiyoko
Everyone above the first line is awesome, everyone above the second line is alright, everyone below the second line is trash. Pretty much how I expected it to turn out, though I liked Akane and Fuyuhiko more than I thought I would.
Mahiru works better in DR2 than DR11 because she's a foil for most cast. She's the sensible voice of reason that tries to keep the rest of the cast in check. Not only does she lose this in the transition to DR1, but she also loses ties to Twilight Syndrome!
Mahiru gets plenty of screen time up until her death. She's one of the major players in the first chapter; her pictures are integral for solving the case and she has a noticeable presence during the first trial. Her death is shrouded in intrigue due to her actions prior to dying, and the reveal that she was a character in "Twilight Syndrome" makes her death all the more impactful. As for Peko... she's mild by design, but that doesn't mean she doesn't get much screen time. In fact, she practically dominates chapter 2's trial portion by controlling the entire pace.
This is totally subjective, I'm not sure why you think Ibuki was outshined when she completely steals whatever scene she's in. I dont have any delusions about her being super deep or anything like that, but Ibuki was an incredibly enjoyable character. Super funny and super random; the Ultimate bizarre character. I think maybe a good 30% of my DR2 pictures have Ibuki.
Congrats on that baby but who the hells the dad (If this song didn't win you over then...)
By comparison, screentime in DR1 was pretty much limited to Makoto, Kyoko, Byakuya, Toko*, and the the killer of the week. Hell, the killers (with the exception of Celeste) don't even factor as antagonists for most of the trial. (most of the time, their development came at the very end) DR1 characters for the most part felt like blips on a radar. Some of them get a momentary spike of relevancy but that's it. Taka literally dies during the middle of his character arc. I felt like DR2 made much better use of its entire cast. The characters got better introductions and a decent amount of development before death.
dakkumauji
Member
Too bad Komaru isn't the Ultimate Little Sister. Instead she's just ordinary.
Is she also JUNKO as well!?!
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Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
I think by this point Junko can't be killed, she'll pop up in DR3 as a Force ghost.
Phantasmal Repose
Member
Dude, both Junko and Komaru cross their arms. Komaru is junko/despair confirmed.
lol
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Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
i'm not, or at least not in DR3, they're already used the "THE MASTERMIND IS JUNKO!" twist in both main games, it'd be ridiculously lame to do that again.
I was curious so I youtubed the dub and it's really good, they nailed the casting :O I think I'll recommend the dub for my little brother. I've managed to get him to agree to play the game, but with Curtain Call just released and Smash Brothers coming out I'll have to push him to try and play it soon (so I can talk to him about it )
)I'm torn... on the one hand, Junko has become one of my favorite villains ever, so I would love to see more of her. But on the other hand, I do agree that her coming back a third time would be too much.
The Bankslammer
Member
just wait till you meet the daughter junko has been raising in secret, chibiko
crabhammer
Member
I do wonder how it would play out if Junko WEREN'T the main villain. Maybe if one of the ultimate despair on the island did end up waking from their coma they could be the villain? Mikan? Nagito, maybe? I could see Nagito being crazy enough to run a killing game for the sake of seeing hope prevail at the end.
I feel the same way. I didn't mind it in DR2 because it was all "HOLY CRAP, HOW DID SHE SURVIVE THE EXECUTION IN THE LAST GAME?!" & I wasn't expecting her to return. With AE, I'm kind of expecting them to explain what happened to her body &/or how she was downloaded into the program, so I welcome her appearance in that game. But with DR3, have it be one of her followers, illegitimate child, or something else. Hell, Junko's parents would be interesting because we get to see the creators of one of the ultimate despairs.
I guess "too much of a good thing", it's better to stop while they're ahead & all that.
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Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
Nagito I think is most likely dead because of his condition. I bet it would be the last of the Ultimate Despairs or something masquerading as Monokuma, but I'm keeping my options open, just no more Junko.
dakkumauji
Member
They should just have a game where all the characters are all the different personalities of Junko.
Crash Station
Member
That's the final twist of the series. Junko is just in some asylum somewhere and the Tragedy/killing games were all in her head.
One thing I can definitely say I liked better in DR1 is the atmosphere. The whole idea of being trapped inside a dark, creepy, claustrophobic and lonely high school is a lot more scary and intense than being stranded on a bright and sunny tropical island with a bunch of stuff to make everyone feel like they're on a vacation. Because of that, a lot of the murders felt less believable in 2 because the pressure to kill really didn't feel as high as in the first game. Personally, I'd be much more willing to kill in order to escape a creepy, claustrophobic high school than to escape a bright and sunny island. Not to mention, in 1, everything actually happened. People really died because it happened in real life. In 2, it was all a computer program. A very intense and dangerous computer program, but still a program.
Speaking of killing, I wanna compare the murders as well. Although I did just mention they felt less believable in 2 than in 1, I do think overall the murders were better/more gruesome/more intense in 2.
DR1:
First victim - Stabbed
Second victim - Bonked on the head
Third and fourth victim - Bonked on the head...again
Fifth victim - Suicide ;_;
Sixth victim - Stabbed multiple times earlier
DR2:
First victim - Stabbed
Second victim - Bonked on the head
Third victim - Strangled and hung
Fourth victim - Neck got sliced
Fifth victim - Fell from a high place
Sixth victim - Just...just some really fucked up shit......
As for executions on the other hand, I think DR1 wins for me. I think the ones in DR2 just felt a little bit over the top. I mean, they were all over the top, but 2's felt even more so. In 1, the only truly ridiculous one was Mondo's death. In 2, we got frying in a volcano, being controlled like a puppet, a freakin rocket arm, and Tetris. Then again, I guess it makes sense because it's all just a computer simulation. But still, 1's felt more real overall.
Speaking of killing, I wanna compare the murders as well. Although I did just mention they felt less believable in 2 than in 1, I do think overall the murders were better/more gruesome/more intense in 2.
DR1:
First victim - Stabbed
Second victim - Bonked on the head
Third and fourth victim - Bonked on the head...again
Fifth victim - Suicide ;_;
Sixth victim - Stabbed multiple times earlier
DR2:
First victim - Stabbed
Second victim - Bonked on the head
Third victim - Strangled and hung
Fourth victim - Neck got sliced
Fifth victim - Fell from a high place
Sixth victim - Just...just some really fucked up shit......
As for executions on the other hand, I think DR1 wins for me. I think the ones in DR2 just felt a little bit over the top. I mean, they were all over the top, but 2's felt even more so. In 1, the only truly ridiculous one was Mondo's death. In 2, we got frying in a volcano, being controlled like a puppet, a freakin rocket arm, and Tetris. Then again, I guess it makes sense because it's all just a computer simulation. But still, 1's felt more real overall.
If you look Junko and Komaru's picture and compare them, then you'll notice they are designed extremely similar way
but of course it's a misdirection
I want a spin off game with Royal Junko
I love the english dub of her
Spin-off with Mukuro first.
Please goddammit ;;-;
Astral/H3X
Member
Soooo.... I know that Hajime post op was "supposed" to be the Ultimate Hope, but is that what he was at the end of the simulation? I was honestly expecting them to call him the Ultimate Future or some shit (Just felt like it would fit after the Future machine gun action).
Also, I expected Ultimate Despair from the moment that I saw "Ultimate D-" at the intro scene. Not quite like that though...
Also, I expected Ultimate Despair from the moment that I saw "Ultimate D-" at the intro scene. Not quite like that though...
My theory is before she joins the future foundation, Genocider kicks in and finds Makoto's sister and then Another Episode happens, then after she makes her way back to Future Foundation. In the epilogue either Makoto or Kyoko (i forget) says "someone is waiting" for Byakuya, and that's implied to be Toko.
bigDdestruction
Member
was it ever explained why the ultimate impostor decided to pose as obese byakuya?
Schadenfreude
Member
Yeah, that is weird, though do we have a concrete timeline between the time the DR2 cast attended Hope's Peak and the DR1 cast did? Maybe Byakuya wasn't attending at the time.
Also, DR1's Killing School Life was broadcasted on TV, right? So Makoto's sister should theoretically know about it?
Also, DR1's Killing School Life was broadcasted on TV, right? So Makoto's sister should theoretically know about it?
Astral/H3X
Member
Because the imposter themselves are fat. And to throw everyone off.
Its weird because they seemed to know what was up, but if he wasn't Byakuya then he's just very good at guessing.
fan theory is that he's another member of the Togami clan (e.g Byakuya competed with his siblings and was deemed the only one worthy enough of his title of "heir" to the entire Togami corporation. The rest of the siblings lost their identity in the world or something like that.
"In Byakuya's generation there were fifteen candidates in all, both male and female; they fought for the headship, and in the end, he, the youngest male, came out on top. It was the first time in the family’s history that the youngest had ever “taken the crown”.
The losing siblings were exiled from the family, but Byakuya harshly described them as being “killed” because, according to him, “(to be in) exile is pretty much the same as death”."
So basically Twogami could have been one of the sibling exiled, and only wanted to impersonate Togami so that "he really have a place and identity in the world".
Also, note that in Chapter 5, at the end where stuff glitches out, you can visit Twogami at his cottage and he was asking something along the lines of "fate of the Togami clan" even though he really had no particular reason to be asking that. (Unless he really belonged to the Togami clan in some form of way. *GASP*)
About Naegi's sister Komaru, there's a popular theory that she was also enrolled to Hope's Peak.
E.g
This was the picture Naegi saw in the video Monokuma sent to them in DR1. Notice the uniform Komaru had on.
Does something seem familiar? (Ibuki was said to be in another grade, so she had another Hope Peak school uniform on)
Crash Station
Member
Ultimate Imposter and I think the rest of the cast are confirmed to be older than the DR1 cast. Biggest tip-off is Nagito's presence, as there is only 1 Ultimate Luck per year and DR1 class was the final year.
Oh, I know that, but were Ultimate Imposter and Ultimate Affluent Progeny attending Hope's Peak Academy at the same time? What would be weird is if the "Ultimate Imposter" was masquerading as Byakuya, if the actual Byakuya was in the same school, at the same time.
I guess, considering that, the assumption would be that the DR2 cast graduated before the DR1 cast entered.
I doubt that happened.
I managed to info blackout on most of Dr, but I genuinely thought chiaki was the protag literally until I actually started playing
Doesn't really explain why she isn't locked up. Why would the Future Foundation want a lunatic serial killer on the loose? Even if she kills despair-folks in AE, she still has that propensity toward cute boys.
Interesting in a game full of consequences for killers, Toko is mostly a comical character.
Crash Station
Member
I imagine FF is fine with Jill helping in the fight against despair provided she's properly monitored and are delaying locking her up until some level of order returns to the world.
Of course AE could completely kill this theory, so who knows.
Of course AE could completely kill this theory, so who knows.
About Naegi's sister Komaru, there's a popular theory that she was also enrolled to Hope's Peak.
E.g
This was the picture Naegi saw in the video Monokuma sent to them in DR1. Notice the uniform Komaru had on.
A bit of a tangent, but komaru doesn't have an Ahoge there. What does it mean!?
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
ghostlyspice
Member
Toko didn't have one in the first game either and now has one in Absolute Despair Girl.
Maybe it's how they ~*bond
But actually the main character thing is the most plausible explanation, given that Toko is a main character in that game as well. (in D/Z
Yasuke has one, but Ryoko does not
Hours Left
Member
Is Famitsu in the wild yet?
I'm ready for anything at the point.
I'm ready for anything at the point.
Ahoge = hope, got it.