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Well there is also that theory:

Rey = Shmi Skywalker. In the end of episode IX she will travel back through time (with C3P0) to be back in tattoine.
Star wars is a full circle
 
Starsailor said:
Well there is also that theory:

Rey = Shmi Skywalker. In the end of episode IX she will travel back through time (with C3P0) to be back in tattoine.
Star wars is a full circle
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Honestly that was my theory the first time I saw her in the desert outfit!
[edit] Doing google image search I just saw that there are theories that Felicity Jones's character in Rogue one might be the mother.....
 
i want charlize theron to be rey's mother. in straight up bootleg furiosa clothing too.

the age difference between her and hamill is kinda gross so how about she's kenobi blood. bless up, best casting ever. lets do it.
 
Veelk said:
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I think this does quite a good job at dispelling the absurd notion that she's a Mary Sue character, but one small thing that I would disagree with is your conclusion on her blaster ability. She's shooting wildly at Ren, but part of that is the clear and unquenchable distress which she has at that point. She's absolutely overcome with terror and her shooting becomes absolutely aimless due to the duress she's under. It's in contrast to the three accurate shots she makes on the stormtroopers earlier in the segment, and she's visibly getting more and more desperate as he closes in on her. While I do think she will be worse with blasters than the rest of the cast in the end due to an absence of experience, I don't think the shots she takes at Ren, while she's anticipating death, are necessarily a very good judge of her ability with the blaster. Ultimately though, this is a minor detail overall, and I do very much agree that she isn't 'Mary Sue'-ish at all.
 
KingSnake said:
I was thinking more on the theory about Rey being Luke's daughter and I still think it sucks. It's like the perfect red herring. It was suggested in one of the trailers by rehashing Luke's lines from RotJ, it's the easiest explanation for her native force abilities, but it also contradicts a lot that is happening in TFA. Mind wipe and secrecy is too long of a stretch for it. It could still happen, but it would be lame if so.

Why would this practically revealed in a trailer and not shown in the movie that the said trailer was made for?



I like this theory. Sounds well put together and fits TFA development. But it's way too complex for a Star Wars movie.
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I personally think that Rey, regardless of her background, is some sort of "force nuclear weapon". I think that both Luke AND Snoke knew about her....she's like MAD, for the SW universe. Once you "go there", you best be sure she stays on your side, because that's the side that wins. But she's so powerful, both sides were just as happy to leave her to her own devices, because she's just as much a risk to them as she is to the other player.

Luke's look of despair is because he knows that he has to play that card now. She showed up on his doorstep, he can't just tell her to go home. But if he can't manage to keep her from turning to the darkside...he loses the pot.

Any sort of time-travel, reincarnation, cloning, jesus-birth, or anything like that can hit the bricks though.

wildfire said:
I thought people were only joking about Poe and Finn having too much chemistry.


Now....




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Not so much.
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I think they just needed to emphasize the fact that Poe would actually introduce a FO deserter to THE leader of the Resistance Army (Leia). They HAD to be bro'ed out, less it wouldn't make sense.

He says "You're a good man Finn", then Finn says "Poe, I need your help". Cut to Leia applauding Finn, and him explaining the Starkiller base.

Some thought that they were too friendly, too early, and others are suggesting some sort of intimacy, I think it was just JJ plot-trickery to keep the story moving as quickly as possible.

It helps that Poe's characterization seems closest to Luke's ANH mannerisms. He's got that wide-eyed enthusiasm about him, so sure he'll be quick to buddy-up.
 
Thought this was worth sharing.

After watching the film twice, I got the distinct impression that Luke Skywalker is not Kylo Ren. Here's why:
Han Solo calls him Ben, which is different to Luke Skywalker's name. His name is Luke Skywalker, not Ben.
Kylo Ren takes off his mask and has the face of Adam Driver. This leads me to believe that Adam Driver plays Kylo Ren. Luke Skywalker is often played by Mark Hamill, so I would have expected to see Mark Hamills face if Kylo Ren were Luke Skywalker.
I could go on, and I'm sure there are further little details that prove my point. I will concede that you never see the two in the same room together. Furthermore, I know Mark Hamill has done motion capture for a different face in Star Citizen, and is a talented voice actor. So, the debate's not completely over, but I just wanted to share my two cents on the theory.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xxuy7/spoilers_a_theory_i_think_can_be_put_to_rest/
 
The One Who Knocks said:
I think this does quite a good job at dispelling the absurd notion that she's a Mary Sue character, but one small thing that I would disagree with is your conclusion on her blaster ability. She's shooting wildly at Ren, but part of that is the clear and unquenchable distress which she has at that point. She's absolutely overcome with terror and her shooting becomes absolutely aimless due to the duress she's under. It's in contrast to the three accurate shots she makes on the stormtroopers earlier in the segment, and she's visibly getting more and more desperate as he closes in on her. While I do think she will be worse with blasters than the rest of the cast in the end due to an absence of experience, I don't think the shots she takes at Ren, while she's anticipating death, are necessarily a very good judge of her ability with the blaster. Ultimately though, this is a minor detail overall, and I do very much agree that she isn't 'Mary Sue'-ish at all.
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Eh, fair enough, but I want to make a small retort that she only got in 2 shots that we saw. She misses the first one by quite a bit, corrects it, and then hits the ST. After that, she makes one hit on another ST that we see. Though perhaps you consider that first one accurate, just not accurate enough, which...also, fair enough. I'm willing to admit she is decent shooter as well.

I think it's supposed to support the dynamic that she has with Finn. Finn isn't really completely incompetent with melee weapons, but he's excellent with blasters. With Rey, it's the inverse.
 
Ferrio said:
Right, but this was the shields to the entire planet. Meaning even if she lives she'll die anyways. There was never anything before hand that made you think she'd have second thoughts about her job (it was actually the reverse), that's on top of her being a elite soldier who would probably be more committed.
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Yea it's by far the worst scene in the movie
 
I agree, Mary Sue is a lame, vague term that I'm guilty of using myself. In regards to Rey, I just wish they explored her immediate backstory a bit more instead of using her as a vessel for solutions and a character focus in numerous setpieces without exploring her nuances or faulting her to require cooperation and assistance. It's not black and white, as she obviously has her moments, but it's an overarching issue (and probably the only big one) I have with the film; it's insistence to push forward aggressively and spend little time exploring our characters intimately or growing them through quiet exchanges. So while with Luke we see him make mistakes and learn a bit about him, his family, and his history, long before and during the climatic setpieces (stuff like Leia bailing Luke, Chewie, and Han out of the prison escape is a good example of the dynamic), with Rey we simply see her often having ideas, running in head first, and taking little time to reach peak ability.

And her versatility makes her fucking rad. I love her. She makes for great cinema, and Daisy nails it. I'm also positive they'll explore her deliberately vague backstory a bit more in the next movies. I like that they kept that a central mystery. But when I hear that in the prequel novel it explores how she has a flight sim salvaged from a wreck, gets screwed over by people, and has learned how to put parts together in her workshop to maximise her investments, I'm sad we saw almost literally none of this in the film. It's quintessential Abrams, similar to Star Trek 2009, where the narrative moves so far and is so focused on the moment-to-moment emotional investment that it doesn't want to breath, just as with young Kirk's incredibly fast, forward moving arc. The different here, in my opinion, between Rey and Luke is that with Luke we do see more justification for his strengths and weaknesses. The Force Awakens simply doesn't bother. Rey is not the only character subjective to this; Finn's motivations are great in theory but still fasttracked. And while I can see how some might prefer this style of film making, it's a strength I feel ANH and ESB had far greater over TFA in establishing and building characters. Kylo is probably the only one to receive a really full spectrum of attention, in intimacy and climax.

As a side, I'm also really disappointed that some leverage the term Mary Sue as instant equation for sexism. I can see where the correlation is drawn but it's grossly inaccurate the moment we admit the term is vague, and unfairly dismissive of discussion on strengths/weaknesses of particular character development and arcs. "REY IS MARY SUE" / "THAT'S SEXIST" is a braindead argument on both sides.
 
I am pretty sure those are the Raid dudes. You don't hire a group like that without using them for choreography or some fight scenes. We will get an extended scene of what we saw there in episode 8. They may have filmed more of that scene already.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
I am pretty sure those are the Raid dudes. You don't hire a group like that without using them for choreography or some fight scenes. We will get an extended scene of what we saw there in episode 8. They may have filmed more of that scene already.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the early scenes of VIII when Luke's giving us a bit more detail on the destruction of his academy.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
I was really hoping we'd get more of the Knights of Ren in the film. Love this shot.

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Then again, the film was pretty packed as it was.
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My brain says trilogy screenplays 101 is to introduce sequel antagonists in the first film even if they're not central in order to establish their presence and motivations and form a coherent three-film whole. TFA is very much about establishing the characters while retreading ANH under a similar Imperials 2.0 backdrop. TFA is the big bad; Dead Star 3.0, Kylo Ren the evil sith character. Unlike Vader in ANH, who barely existed beyond a big evil guy, Kylo is a central character.

What we're teased with is the likes of Snoke, Phasma, and the Knights of Ren. These are characters who have potential motivations and excuses to be integrated into the story arc of later films now that the TFA big bad, the Death Star 3.0, has been eradicated. Snoke for obvious reasons, and as a new central mystery. Phasma to fill the Bounty Hunter role with a personal grudge against Finn. And the Knights of Ren are in theory an easy way to bring us closer to the Sith side of things, develop Kylo and Snoke's background, up the Jedi vs Sith cinema anti, and provide a new set of antagonists.
 
The second time I saw the film was even better!

I have stated it before, but I really like the new cast. Good chemistry and they managed to steer away from usual (scifi) stereotypes by little characteristic details. Finn and Rey are great leads and I definitely hope to see more of Poe in the future. And Kylo's premise is great as well, I look forward to his character arc.
 
I liked the movie but didn't feel it delivered anything new to the franchise. The themes, characters and even the mission in the end all mirrored to what took place in the previous episodes. You can call it homages or retreads depending how generous you want to be. I wish it told a different story, but regardless, it was nice to have Star Wars back again.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that seeing Greg Grunberg (and Ken Leung to a lesser extent) in the movie completely took me out of the moment. I know he and JJ Abrams are friends, I actually like him as an actor, but it's just too weird to see him in the SW universe in any form.
 
A part of me actually expects and extended cut of the film. There's just so much evidence of these scenes that I feel would add to the story and not detract, but they were pulled from the thatrical release because keeping the film at 2 hours in length is less daunting of a theater length.

The other part says, "No way..."
 
EatChildren said:
I agree, Mary Sue is a lame, vague term that I'm guilty of using myself. In regards to Rey, I just wish they explored her immediate backstory a bit more instead of using her as a vessel for solutions and a character focus in numerous setpieces without exploring her nuances or faulting her to require cooperation and assistance. It's not black and white, as she obviously has her moments, but it's an overarching issue (and probably the only big one) I have with the film; it's insistence to push forward aggressively and spend little time exploring our characters intimately or growing them through quiet exchanges. So while with Luke we see him make mistakes and learn a bit about him, his family, and his history, long before and during the climatic setpieces (stuff like Leia bailing Luke, Chewie, and Han out of the prison escape is a good example of the dynamic), with Rey we simply see her often having ideas, running in head first, and taking little time to reach peak ability.

And her versatility makes her fucking rad. I love her. She makes for great cinema, and Daisy nails it. I'm also positive they'll explore her deliberately vague backstory a bit more in the next movies. I like that they kept that a central mystery. But when I hear that in the prequel novel it explores how she has a flight sim salvaged from a wreck, gets screwed over by people, and has learned how to put parts together in her workshop to maximise her investments, I'm sad we saw almost literally none of this in the film. It's quintessential Abrams, similar to Star Trek 2009, where the narrative moves so far and is so focused on the moment-to-moment emotional investment that it doesn't want to breath, just as with young Kirk's incredibly fast, forward moving arc. The different here, in my opinion, between Rey and Luke is that with Luke we do see more justification for his strengths and weaknesses. The Force Awakens simply doesn't bother. Rey is not the only character subjective to this; Finn's motivations are great in theory but still fasttracked. And while I can see how some might prefer this style of film making, it's a strength I feel ANH and ESB had far greater over TFA in establishing and building characters. Kylo is probably the only one to receive a really full spectrum of attention, in intimacy and climax.
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I can agree with some of this here. I'm just not bothered by it at this particular moment because it might be explored in the next films. The truth is, I feel that this is more of an incomplete story than any other SW movie except perhaps Empire. So it's unfair to judge whether they explored her character thoroughly enough until we actually have all 3 films. I agree that this is issue Abram's struggles with, and if it's not delivered on in the next films, there will be a reckoning. But until then, I just feel the story is so obviously incomplete, so we need to wait and see.

As a side, I'm also really disappointed that some leverage the term Mary Sue as instant equation for sexism. I can see where the correlation is drawn but it's grossly inaccurate the moment we admit the term is vague, and unfairly dismissive of discussion on strengths/weaknesses of particular character development and arcs. "REY IS MARY SUE" / "THAT'S SEXIST" is a braindead argument on both sides.
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I'm guessing this wasn't directed at me, since I never talked about the gender roles of SW in that post. However, it both is and isn't a brain dead argument. It's brain dead if the person is accusing another person of it, and using it as a blanket excuse to disregard their opinion. The fact is sexism really isn't provable in most cases because we typically don't have a 1 to 1 male counterpoint to compare it to, even with the high levels of similarities between TFA and ANH. However, the other fact is there is research that women are just flat out judged more harshly on stuff. I don't mean overt intentional sexism, but just how different professors got the same applications from graduate students except names were switched to denote male and female applicants, and female applicants consistently got judged more harshly on their flaws and praised less on their accomplishments than males. And the professors were just ordinary people, who thought they were making fair assessments. Just doing their jobs, nothing malicious.

So, while I would never accuse any one person in particular of sexism without proof, the fact that general populations tend to unwittingly be more critical of women should be kept in mind atleast. It doesn't mean it's the driving factor or that criticisms should be swept aside for it. It's just something people should be aware of. Personally, I'm ecstatic over the representation we got in the film. We got a black guy and female as leads, a highly popular hispanic side character who might also be gay that I think will play a larger part in the next movie, with the only new white male character being the villain Kylo Ren. It's so refreshing to see a big budget hollywood film actually deliver on diversity and it made the film genuinely more enjoyable. It even surprised me, as the trailers depicted Finn as being the new Jedi, and while the signs are much more obvious in retrospect, I had my doubts just because I didn't think they'd make the new central face of the new Jedi female. Good on them for being inclusive, seriously.
 
Smoolio said:
God it would be so amazing if like you mention by ep.9 we get a fight that is not only impactfully emotional but on par skilfully as anything in the Raid movies. Hope the raid guys do stay on to help with the fight team (if they were brought on for that at all and not a lame cameo)
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If they don't have them helping out with stuff like the Knights of Ren it would definitely be a missed opportunity. That glimpse of the Knights in the rain... give me an epic fight with The Raid-coreography and it will be bonkers.
 
KevinG said:
A part of me actually expects and extended cut of the film. There's just so much evidence of these scenes that I feel would add to the story and not detract, but they were pulled from the thatrical release because keeping the film at 2 hours in length is less daunting of a theater length.

The other part says, "No way..."
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JJ confirmed there would be a couple of extra scenes on the dvd/bluray. I don't think there will be an extended edition though.
 
Veelk said:
Personally, I'm ecstatic over the presentation we got in the film. We got a black guy and female leads, a highly popular hispanic character who might also be gay, with the only new white male character being Kylo Ren. It's so refreshing to see a big budget hollywood film actually deliver on diversity and it made the film genuinely more enjoyable, as the trailers depicted Finn as being the new Jedi, and while the signs are much more obvious in retrospect, I had my doubts just because I didn't think they'd make the new central face of the new Jedi female, so it came as a surprise. Good on them, seriously.
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This was definitely a major reason why i like this movie so much. The cast was incredibly refreshing and they played off each other so well.

And that is what i call a deserving top of page post.

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Veelk said:
I'm guessing this wasn't directed at me, since I never talked about the gender roles of SW in that post. However, it both is and isn't a brain dead argument. It's brain dead if the person is accusing another person of it, and using it as a blanket excuse to disregard their opinion. The fact is sexism really isn't provable in most cases because we typically don't have a 1 to 1 male counterpoint to compare it to, even with the high levels of similarities between TFA and ANH. However, the other fact is there is research that women are just flat out judged more harshly on stuff. I don't mean overt intentional sexism, but just how different professors got the same applications from graduate students except names were switched to denote male and female applicants, and female applicants consistently got judged more harshly on their flaws and praised less on their accomplishments. And the professors were just ordinary people, who thought they were making fair assessments.

So, while I would never accuse any one person in particular of sexism without proof, the fact that general populations tend to unwittingly be more critical of women should be kept in mind atleast. It doesn't mean it's the driving factor or that criticisms should be swept aside for it. It's just something people should be aware of. Personally, I'm ecstatic over the presentation we got in the film. We got a black guy and female leads, a highly popular hispanic character who might also be gay, with the only new white male character being Kylo Ren. It's so refreshing to see a big budget hollywood film actually deliver on diversity and it made the film genuinely more enjoyable, as the trailers depicted Finn as being the new Jedi, and while the signs are much more obvious in retrospect, I had my doubts just because I didn't think they'd make the new central face of the new Jedi female, so it came as a surprise. Good on them, seriously.
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As can be observed, whenever a girl / woman is wearing some kind of gaming attire / claims an affinity for anything connected to gaming.
There's gonna be a bunch of people immediately calling her out for having an agenda / considering her portrayed enthusiasm insincere.
It's the classic "of course, not everyone who calls Rey a 'Mary Sue' is sexist - however, a sexist person might be much more inclined to discredit Rey's character as a Mary Sue to find some "objective" reason not to like the female protagonist.

Also, i agree with you wholeheartedly.

igordennis said:
This was definitely a major reason why i like this movie so much. The cast was incredibly refreshing and they played off each other so well.

And that is what i call a deserving top of page post.

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yeah, it was one of the main reasons i was very optimistic about the movie, even after the first teaser - seeing as my favourite franchise of all time might be among the forerunners of movies having a gender-balanced and diverse cast.
It was clearly trying to be (which some would dismiss as 'pandering')

First person willing to defend themselves with a weapon, that isn't a faceless storm trooper is a woman.
First X Wing pilots we see running across the Resistance base airstrip are a man and a woman.
The main "mentor" figures are a man (Han Solo) and a woman (Maz Kanata).

We even got a rather chubby person serving vital information to the rebels (the recon pilot) and he doesn't even die ... and his name doesn't contain the word "pork".
 
Veelk said:
I can agree with some of this here. I'm just not bothered by it at this particular moment because it might be explored in the next films. The truth is, I feel that this is more of an incomplete story than any other SW movie except perhaps Empire. So it's unfair to judge whether they explored her character thoroughly enough until we actually have all 3 films. I agree that this is issue Abram's struggles with, and if it's not delivered on in the next films, there will be a reckoning. But until then, I just feel the story is so obviously incomplete, so we need to wait and see.

I'm guessing this wasn't directed at me, since I never talked about the gender roles of SW in that post. However, it both is and isn't a brain dead argument. It's brain dead if the person is accusing another person of it, and using it as a blanket excuse to disregard their opinion. The fact is sexism really isn't provable in most cases because we typically don't have a 1 to 1 male counterpoint to compare it to, even with the high levels of similarities between TFA and ANH. However, the other fact is there is research that women are just flat out judged more harshly on stuff. I don't mean overt intentional sexism, but just how different professors got the same applications from graduate students except names were switched to denote male and female applicants, and female applicants consistently got judged more harshly on their flaws and praised less on their accomplishments. And the professors were just ordinary people, who thought they were making fair assessments.

So, while I would never accuse any one person in particular of sexism without proof, the fact that general populations tend to unwittingly be more critical of women should be kept in mind atleast. Personally, I'm ecstatic over the presentation we got in the film. We got a black guy and female leads, a highly popular hispanic character who might also be gay, with the only new white male character being Kylo Ren. It's so refreshing to see a big budget hollywood film actually deliver on diversity and it made the film genuinely more enjoyable, as the trailers depicted Finn as being the new Jedi, and while the signs are much more obvious in retrospect, I had my doubts just because I didn't think they'd make the new central face of the new Jedi female, so it came as a surprise. Good on them, seriously.
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None of it was directly aimed at anyone in particular, but I agree with all of this, yes. TFA is really, plainly obviously part of bigger arc so deliberate loose ends are left, big ones. Personally I think this is shitty writing for most part; in almost all cases it's a sacrifice for no gain. But a lot of this comes from my massive souring of Disney's handling of Marvel, the films now written the same way; a gross amalgamation of ongoing story arcs that I have zero interest investing in. It's why I liked the older origin stories so much, and Guardians of the Galaxy, as their overall detachment worked even while part of a greater whole. Star Wars being written the same, for obvious (and arguably more justifiable reasons) worries me, but I'm likely to get burned out and just stop giving a fuck about Disney's insistence to put out media instead of carefully, patiently appreciating each individual work.

As for the sexism thing, I agree too, I just hate seeing people cast under sweeping generalisations for their individual level even when those generalisations are accurate. Generalisation =/= all encompassing. So it frustrations me to see discussion of Rey's character and where people feel it may be faulted readily dismissed because of broader issues with gender portrayal in the medium as if the individual is guilty of this.
 
VulpX said:
Wait whut? Why is Poe gay?
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His very friendly interactions with Finn has made them a popular ship. Finn seems like he's heterosexual, but given we have little on Poe's character, this would be a very easy way for Disney to include gay characters in the franchise. A lot of people latched onto the idea, but yeah, we have no solid evidence of his sexual orientation as of now.

EatChildren said:
None of it was directly aimed at anyone in particular, but I agree with all of this, yes. TFA is really, plainly obviously part of bigger arc so deliberate loose ends are left, big ones. Personally I think this is shitty writing for most part; in almost all cases it's a sacrifice for no gain. But a lot of this comes from my massive souring of Disney's handling of Marvel, the films now written the same way; a gross amalgamation of ongoing story arcs that I have zero interest investing in. It's why I liked the older origin stories so much, and Guardians of the Galaxy, as their overall detachment worked even while part of a greater whole. Star Wars being written the same, for obvious (and arguably more justifiable reasons) worries me, but I'm likely to get burned out and just stop giving a fuck about Disney's insistence to put out media instead of carefully, patiently appreciating each individual work.
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Fair enough. It just doesn't bother me yet. Especially given the fact that JJ Abrams isn't directing the next one, when Rey's family comes into the picture, it could be the personal touch you're waiting for. But I can see how that worries you. It's a fair judgement,

As for the sexism thing, I agree too, I just hate seeing people cast under sweeping generalisations for their individual level even when those generalisations are accurate. Generalisation =/= all encompassing. So it frustrations me to see discussion of Rey's character and where people feel it may be faulted readily dismissed because of broader issues with gender portrayal in the medium as if the individual is guilty of this.
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There are probably plenty of people who understand how difficult it is to talk about sexism, even on gaf, better than me, but I've had enough experience in discussing it that I know it's nigh impossible to have a wholly reasonable discussion surrounding it. It's forum dark matter. We know it's there, but we can't tangibly wrestle with it, so we only interact with it in indirect ways as far as poster to poster interaction is concerned. You got it exactly right. An accurate generalization isn't all encompassing, so it's you have to emphasis how important it is to be aware of it, yet cannot usually accuse anyone of it. It's a frustrating enterprise.
 
Starsailor said:
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Same shot, J.J.A is a genius
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This is what I love about this movie. Every other director would have steered clear of things like this in an attempt to be 'original'. I'm glad JJ and Kasdan are pretty much in charge of this thing.

And who here wants to place bets on whether Trevorrow will be kept as director? I honestly hope they get rid of him. You can't trust someone like that with the final instalment of star wars. If JJ told Disney he wanted to be back for the final one, I have do doubt they'd throw Trevorrow under the bus.
 
Pre-release I was banking on Rey being a Skywalker, but now I'm not sure. I don't think it's needed, to be honest. The same themes and concept of family can be established by Luke simply being childless and instead Rey's mentor. I kinda hope Rey doesn't really have much in the way of a family at all; she was sensed as extremely force sensitive as a child, Luke took her under his wing for training, Kylo got jealous, did the purge, couldn't bring himself to kill her. Luke escapes with Rey, memory wipes and dumps her on Jakku hoping she'll never remember her force abilities and remain safe from Kylo.
 
Mariolee said:
What it lacks in choreography it makes up for in emotion. That alone puts it above the prequel fights which were well choreographed but aside from the Anakin/Obi-Wan fight lacked enough emotion or ferocity for me to care.
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... eh obiwan vs. quigon vs. darth maul was quite emotional especially in the end.
 
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