yes it would be the first time
It is a feeling. the colour would suit her character imho ^^"..also it would show how special she is.
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yes it would be the first time
It is a feeling. the colour would suit her character imho ^^"..also it would show how special she is.
BruceLeeRoy
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Oh man that changes everything. Interesting stuff
Ether_Snake
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Leia and Han seem to have known Snoke personally. Maybe not but it almost sounds like it. Possible he presented himself as a good person first, part of the church or whatever.
Would make sense if he was the one in Rey's vision: betrays them, Kylo comes with the knights to save him and extract him to the first order. He might not be that powerful, he was designed to look frail/damaged, but very knowledgeable (know as wise) and seen as the rightful heir to the emperor's throne as a result.
Questions
1- is it specifically confirmed that Ben killed any jedis before joining the first order? When Pablo Hidalgo was asked about that scene in the vision he said it shouldn't really be referred as an academy, almost confirming the people being killed are jedis, it's just not an academy. Also said it didn't happen many years ago, so either jedis were killed more than once or this was the first time.
2- is it ever confirmed that Kylo ever trained under Luke? Leia made it sound like he hasn't, or that he was sent to Luke but Luke still lost him. It's a bit unclear due to the way the sentences are said.
3- the text crawl probably says more or less when Luke left to look for the first temple but I forget.
And yes Rey could be Luke's daughter, she could have been handed over to people like Luke was but who ended up abandoning her, it's just that at this moment the simplest explanation is what the movie tells us; that she was abandoned by her family and that there is no indication she ever lost her memory.
Would make sense if he was the one in Rey's vision: betrays them, Kylo comes with the knights to save him and extract him to the first order. He might not be that powerful, he was designed to look frail/damaged, but very knowledgeable (know as wise) and seen as the rightful heir to the emperor's throne as a result.
Questions
1- is it specifically confirmed that Ben killed any jedis before joining the first order? When Pablo Hidalgo was asked about that scene in the vision he said it shouldn't really be referred as an academy, almost confirming the people being killed are jedis, it's just not an academy. Also said it didn't happen many years ago, so either jedis were killed more than once or this was the first time.
2- is it ever confirmed that Kylo ever trained under Luke? Leia made it sound like he hasn't, or that he was sent to Luke but Luke still lost him. It's a bit unclear due to the way the sentences are said.
3- the text crawl probably says more or less when Luke left to look for the first temple but I forget.
And yes Rey could be Luke's daughter, she could have been handed over to people like Luke was but who ended up abandoning her, it's just that at this moment the simplest explanation is what the movie tells us; that she was abandoned by her family and that there is no indication she ever lost her memory.
Imperfected
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Han said, "If Luke couldn't reach him, how could I?" That implies that Luke had a real, substantial chance to influence Kylo and didn't succeed. Thus, either he tried to train him, or tried to turn him back from the Dark Side at some point after the attack.
I don't think Han would have been so dejected about his chances if he dropped Kylo off for a weekend with Uncle Luke and found out he ran away to join the Sith Circus. There was obviously a non-trivial attempt made to turn him into a Jedi.
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Ah yes I remember that now. So Leia says she regrets sending Kylo to Luke then. The sentence wasn't clear.
Obviously it's not canon since it's not in the final film or novel, but one version of the leaked shot list from back when the movie's macguffin was Luke's lightsaber and not a map to the first Jedi Temple made it explicitly obvious that Luke trained Kylo.
So the concept was always there, it just wasn't shown in the final movie. I would assume this is why they had at one point hired a guy to play young Luke, who appears not to be in the final movie unless he's the guy in the hood touching R2.
So the concept was always there, it just wasn't shown in the final movie. I would assume this is why they had at one point hired a guy to play young Luke, who appears not to be in the final movie unless he's the guy in the hood touching R2.
Chilli_Axe
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So how does Star Wars canon work now? Is it just whatever was shown in the movies? IIRC Chewbacca was killed in the lore after episode 6 but episode 7 obviously retcons that
Imperfected
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It's slightly more complicated than that, I think, but 99% of the Expanded Universe stuff (novels, comics, games, etc.) was jettisoned, so if you want a simplified way of approaching it that's probably accurate enough.
Ether_Snake
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Maybe a hint she is more comfortable fighting with her stick than that sword.
The original six movies + The Clone Wars tv series + whatever has been released since 2014 (including TFA, the Rebels tv series, any books or comics since that time, basically any property released unless otherwise noted as non-canon like The Old Republic MMO, etc.)
Anything prior to 2014 aside from the original 6 movies and TCW is non-canon.
WadiumArcadium
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Only the films, animated series' and the books/comics released since Lucasfilm were acquired by Disney are canon now.
Edit: Beaten like Sebulba.
Every novel, comic or videogame before the Disney acquisition is non canon.
The 7 movies, The Clone Wars TV show, Rebels TV show, and all movies comics novels and games released under Disney the new Canon
So wait who did Kylo kill?
Shuggananas
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watched it again, rey is def not han and leia's daughter, either kenobi or skywalker, or maybe just the daughter of somebody who was formed by luke but got killed (his best disciple maybe ?)
Ether_Snake
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What is weird is how the force awakened at more or less the same time (presumably) on the same planet in two different folks. In the original trailer Snoke says the force has awakened, both the light and the dark.
It's possible that Finn is the light side awakening and Rey is the dark side. The way the poster is drawn would give credence to it too.
Edit: did force church folks conjure up the force on Jakku resulting in this awakening?
Maybe that's what Luke found out at the first temple: that people did rituals to make the force manifest itself in people once, causing the sith/jedi split. It would always manifest itself in a balanced way.
It's possible that Finn is the light side awakening and Rey is the dark side. The way the poster is drawn would give credence to it too.
Edit: did force church folks conjure up the force on Jakku resulting in this awakening?
Maybe that's what Luke found out at the first temple: that people did rituals to make the force manifest itself in people once, causing the sith/jedi split. It would always manifest itself in a balanced way.
I would guess that in an earlier version Kylo was kidnapped as a child during the attack and indoctrinated into the Knights, but the final film and novel makes it seem more like he made the choice himself after being seduced by Snoke.
blackdevil
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i was always wondering why nobody else is doing this. She got him in the left shoulder didnt she? so it worked^^
demosthenes
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What is weird is how the force awakened at more or less the same time (presumably) on the same planet in two different folks. In the original trailer Snoke says the force has awakened, both the light and the dark.
It's possible that Finn is the light side awakening and Rey is the dark side. The way the poster is drawn would give credence to it too.
Edit: did force church folks conjure up the force on Jakku resulting in this awakening?
Maybe that's what Luke found out at the first temple: that people did rituals to make the force manifest itself in people once, causing the sith/jedi split. It would always manifest itself in a balanced way.
Disney will not write Rey to be dark, not a chance.
WadiumArcadium
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Disney won't be writing anything but you're probably right. I can't see it happening.
doesn't Leia at one point say "That's why I wanted to send him to train with Luke"? I feel like that was something the movie wanted to let the audience know.
demosthenes
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I understand they're not but I'm sure they have a list of do's and don't's and one of them is Rey is good. She can be tempted but she never goes over.
Ether_Snake
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Sure Rey is another Disney princess, especially because she is Luke's daughter and hence royalty, ok guys.
And Finn is from NYC and just trying to get back to the real world but he must accept his destiny and save Star Wars world first.
The lightsaber will be the talking crab in VIII.
And Finn is from NYC and just trying to get back to the real world but he must accept his destiny and save Star Wars world first.
The lightsaber will be the talking crab in VIII.
She's a Disney princess because Disney hero princesses print money at the house of mouse.
Narratively it would be interesting to see Rey fall to the dark side, but no way, no chance, no how, will that ever happen with Disney bankrolling it.
WadiumArcadium
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JJ and Kasdan said they had no impact on TFA's story. Disney have a hands-off approach with Lucasfilm, as they do with Marvel. They wrote the film they wanted to write.
Despite that, I don't think they'll ever have Rey turn to the dark side. She'll struggle against it like Luke did as you say, no more than that. She's the hero of this story.
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So she's a lame cookie-cutter female pure Disney character. Give me a break.
If they want to have her fall to the dark side they will do it. Can always go back to light.
demosthenes
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I don't know, it sort of annoys me that after thousands of years with only a small portion of Jedi going dark that every last one now is being tempted at some point but I guess it's easier to be tempted when you have no support group.
No she isn't cookie cutter. She's a different kind of heroine and that's probably what has Disney frothing at the mouth.
demosthenes
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Did we watch the same movie? Just because you're on the god side you're cookie cutter?
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Absolutely correct. If we're only talking movies, Dooku is the first Jedi drawn to the dark side in centuries. The force is finally put into balance after millenia.
And then 30 years later we got dark side everywhere again. The only way it makes sense is. Plagueis or Revan type figure.
WadiumArcadium
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You don't usually see a character do a heel spin within the space of two films.
You could tell Rey was using anger to defeat Kylo. I expect they'll cover her control of that anger in the future films.
I loved it when a darker version of her theme was playing during that scene.
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Right now we have Snoke and Kylo on one side, Rey and Luke on the light side, possibly Finn too, so it's not that balanced
The Librarian
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The first female protagonist in a Star Wars film and you go ahead and call her a "princess."
Good lord. The amount of sexism directed towards Rey here and on the Internet has been quite staggering.
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I'm paraphrasing him saying Rey can't go evil because of Disney.
I don't even think she is Luke's daughter so, nice try, but no.
I also don't think the light saber is a talking crab.
What is weird is how the force awakened at more or less the same time (presumably) on the same planet in two different folks. In the original trailer Snoke says the force has awakened, both the light and the dark.
It's possible that Finn is the light side awakening and Rey is the dark side. The way the poster is drawn would give credence to it too.
Edit: did force church folks conjure up the force on Jakku resulting in this awakening?
Maybe that's what Luke found out at the first temple: that people did rituals to make the force manifest itself in people once, causing the sith/jedi split. It would always manifest itself in a balanced way.
I was thinking about that. The trailer clearly implies that there had been an awakening in the dark side as well. They cut the line from the movie so I wonder if it's still true.
Id be weird for them to introduce another dark side user since we have Kylo. I wonder
BruceLeeRoy
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Is this a Dark Tower book?
I wouldn't quite say that - we know from the new canon reference books that he was one of the Lost Twenty, but that just refers to Jedi Masters, not Jedi in general. The movies are silent on how many Jedi could have abandoned the Order or fallen to the dark side during the millennium of peace. But only twenty Masters had done so during the history of the Order, which isn't too surprising because if you reach a rank like that then you are pretty much committed to the Jedi's belief system.
Who is Pablo hidalgo
That would explain why he doesn't fit in.
I like the A Kid in King Arthur's Court explanation you came up with.
Ether_Snake
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SW content management. From Wookuepedia:
Yeah his story is almost as if it was written this way (i'm sure TV tropes has a name for this), and then just tweaked to make him part of the the SW world itself
We know Benecio Del Toro was cast as a villain in the next movie but so maybe it has something to do with him.
Noticed that. Also notice at the end of the movie when Rey and Chewie are flying towards the temple. There is a cut where Chewie kinda just looks at Rey.
I think people are looking too much into that. It's just Han pitying a young woman who has never seen grass and trees before.
Theodoricos
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That was a cool detail that they had her saying that, honestly. As much as I love ANH, I feel like there should've been a similar scene with Luke on Yavin IV showing how amazed he is by the stark difference between the forest moon and the desert planet that he's lived all his life on.
You could be right. Of course many of us could be looking into things too much. Comes with the territory of us speculating everything lol.
Yep. I think it is left ambiguous enough that they can go either way in the future.
After seeing the movie for a second time and being gifted the soundtrack for Christmas, I don't think the issue is so much with Williams as it is with the mixing. The music is just too quiet in the movie. There are strong enough cues throughout the score when given the chance to shine, like the opening with the Star Destroyer, Rey's motif as she glides along the sand dunes, the swelling of the orchestra when Luke makes his grand appearance. It's really good and I don't think given the best respect it should.
On another note, picked up The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens and it is amazing!
On another note, picked up The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens and it is amazing!
I agree with this. I thought it felt lazy and quiet within the movie and thought maybe Williams was getting too old to make something bombastic, but listening to it out of the movie it really is energetic. This was especially apparent in the ground/x-wing scene.
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